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Old 10-30-2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by WNRacing
LOL.....that's pretty good. Diddy should just stick to making crappy songs, and shut his trap about politics. I can't stand all these celebs that all of the sudden think they are experts in politics. Shut up celebs

Did anyone else notice the size of that dudes ears.....good god those things are huge.
 
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazerred6
I agree both parties use the fear tactic and it pisses me off because I encourage rationality in everything (sometimes my wife calls me emotionally constipated).

But a stupid R or D will take one of the fear tactic ads and run with it till they will tell you the other guy has horns a tail and eats baby hearts for breakfast (it offends those of us that do)


What I'm trying to say is I blame stupid people for all the worlds problems

greedy stupid people are even worse.
LOL......I agree, and I think there are certain people on this website who buy into those scare tactics.
 
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LOL......I agree, and I think there are certain people on this website who buy into those scare tactics.

Did you know that John Mccain sucks the stem cells out of foetuses to fend off death every morning?
 
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Did you know that John Mccain sucks the stem cells out of foetuses to fend off death every morning?
LOL....I did know that. In fact, he blends them up, throws in a couple of pieces of fruit and makes a nice smoothy.
 
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Originally Posted by WNRacing
I just watched all of his videos. That guy really has a level head on his shoulders, they should have let him debate Obama. lol
 
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Don't get me started w/ Huckaphoney. That guy was too stupid to even know the correct tax rate for the FairTax, which he supported.

Romney would have been the best choice for VP, or for president for that matter. In fact, I got a friend who's in the GOP and he, along w/ everyone else, was 100% sure it was going to be him. To put it simply, his Facebook status first read "...Knows it's true, Romney is going to be the VP" and later in the day, it read "WTF McCain."
 
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Raise taxes to what they were when Clinton was in office. Talk about a rockin economy, biggest surplus EVER?!? (Don't try to say GEORGE BUSH SR DID THAT!) because it doesn't happen.

In 8 years we've basically plopped and the worst hasn't even hit yet, Obama or McCain will get the brunt of that blow.

As for sitting down with terrorists, well, McCain sat down with the same Palestinian, McCain also defended a criminal who basically jacked up the Savings & Loans, the dude happened to be his best buddy, voting for Bush 90% of the time, the list continues.. whats best for our country? More years of war? More debt? People out of work longer because the stock market crumbled?

Oh ya, less regulation worked real well fellas, look at the past 8 years and whats gone on. Government needs to step in at some point to regulate otherwise a bunch of money hungry ********* take advantage of everyone feed the ignorant full of crap and then a few years later everything drops.

K, I'm done. Just, if taxes have to be raised in order to kill off some of this debt, then so be it, as long as work picks back up and things stabilize.
 
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Old 10-31-2008, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest
Raise taxes to what they were when Clinton was in office. Talk about a rockin economy, biggest surplus EVER?!? (Don't try to say GEORGE BUSH SR DID THAT!) because it doesn't happen.

In 8 years we've basically plopped and the worst hasn't even hit yet, Obama or McCain will get the brunt of that blow.

As for sitting down with terrorists, well, McCain sat down with the same Palestinian, McCain also defended a criminal who basically jacked up the Savings & Loans, the dude happened to be his best buddy, voting for Bush 90% of the time, the list continues.. whats best for our country? More years of war? More debt? People out of work longer because the stock market crumbled?

Oh ya, less regulation worked real well fellas, look at the past 8 years and whats gone on. Government needs to step in at some point to regulate otherwise a bunch of money hungry ********* take advantage of everyone feed the ignorant full of crap and then a few years later everything drops.

K, I'm done. Just, if taxes have to be raised in order to kill off some of this debt, then so be it, as long as work picks back up and things stabilize.

I think it's funny that you blame it all on Bush do you realize that he vetoed like 4 bills the entire time he was in office and the house and senate were run by the democrates for the majority of his presidency you can thank Bush for doing everything the dems asked him to do. A democrat super majority would be the very worst thing for this nation cause thats basically what we have had the last 6 years.


Like I've said before Bush is a figure head the people throw **** at because the don't like what going on. Sure you can be mad at him for being a puppet but the democrat party is who's to blame do you honestly think the president has that much power.

oh and clintion f'ed over the houseing market but it wasnt just him the republicans help pass it too (give credit where credit is due
http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html


are you familier with the community reinvestmant act here is something from 1995 this was where it started..... now when did bush take the presidency oh yeah it was after that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

During March 1995 congressional hearings William A. Niskanen, chair of the Cato Institute, criticized the proposals for political favoritism in allocating credit and micromanagement by regulators, and that there was no assurance that banks would not be expected to operate at a loss. He predicted they would be very costly to the economy and banking system, and that the primary long term effect would be to contract the banking system. He recommended Congress repeal the Act.[26]

LOL yeah Clintons surplus was great it's just to bad he had to mortgage our future for it

Don't get me wrong I don't like Bush but when people blame him for being a puppet and treat him like he planned it all is just ignorant and well...... thats just wrong.
 

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There are so many people that dont know why we are in the $hit that we are in. Housing market is to blame for 99.9% of why the economy is where it is. Now that you know go out and find out who made it easier for people to qualify for loans.
 
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Now that you know go out and find out who made it easier for people to qualify for loans.
thats what I'm saying the community reinvestment act did this it made it ok for the banks to loan to people they knew might not pay it back and then community groups (such as the ones Obama was part of) would go around and accuse banks of prejudice if they didn't hand out loans that they knew would not be paid back
 

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Forget Carter and that act, the blame rests on FDR if anything, for creating Freddie in the first place (and a ton of other government organizations/departments that are ticking time bombs).

Also, forget about blaming Bush. The Republicans for years were trying to get all government involvement w/ Freddie and Fanny removed but guess who took cash from them to prevent this? That's right, all the major DEMOCRAT leaders in charge of the committees related to this. For example, Obama took in hundreds of thousands of dollars from Freddie while McClain only took a couple grand.

PS: If any one wants to see a good explanation of how this mess all started, try to youTube the FOX News special about it. Very informative and unlike most news specials on it, it goes all the way back to FDR creating Freddie and even blames Greenspan for part of it.
 
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There is a lot of blame to go around. I don't think you can point to just one thing.

I'm not sure if this is relevant or not, but did Russia's collapes start with the financial strain of a long term war? I mean we are spending $10 billion a month in Iraq and I have no idea how we are paying for that. You'd think at some point that much money will start to drain a country, and those bastards in Iraq will fight us forever because they know we'll run out of money eventually.
 
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Originally Posted by jjtgiants
There is a lot of blame to go around. I don't think you can point to just one thing.

I'm not sure if this is relevant or not, but did Russia's collapes start with the financial strain of a long term war? I mean we are spending $10 billion a month in Iraq and I have no idea how we are paying for that. You'd think at some point that much money will start to drain a country, and those bastards in Iraq will fight us forever because they know we'll run out of money eventually.
Loans from China. A financial strain did help Russia collapse, but its also why we hit a recession, too much spending in the military department.

Bush may have ONLY passed four bills but lowering taxes while dishing out billions for two wars solves absolutely nothing. Dishing out $600 to everyone who works doesn't really help solve things either.

Clinton is to blame for a few things, NAFTA being a huge one. But when one of Bush's advisors or whoever the hell it was came out and said "There is no problem with the economy its just hitting a slow point, we are fine" is a moron.

You blame the democratic congress, but the democrats are screaming to get out of Iraq, theres some cash right there. The bailout plan..what else can you do? Grear our Banks basically owe our government who owes China for funding us a shitload of money to fight in Iraq, because NATO for damn sure isn't.

The housing market collapsing is obviously the reason for a poor economy, when communities aren't being built work isn't being done banks aren't getting money back ect ect ect..

Ok I won't point the entire finger AT Bush, I'll blame him and his administration for a failure of a war and a great country now on crutches and in debt up to their eyeballs.

But don't worry guys if McCain is elected the tax increases won't be that horrible! You'll just have to continue paying for the rest of your life anyways, and your children will have to pay for half their life probably!

The quicker things are halfway resolved, the better, raise my taxes, I'll still live pretty comfortably, if a few grand is going to hurt you that bad, maybe look into a different career? Just remember, you still have work.
 
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Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest
Bush may have ONLY passed four bills
No bush only vetoed 4 bill meaning he said no to only 4 with a democat congress that means they got almost everything they wanted done and all the spending in Iraq is just as much the fault of congress the president can't blow his nose without their approval
 
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You guys are all morons, it isnt the bush administration, it is not the clinton administration...

The entire problem is Pcolav6

Yep. That is the truth of it. He is to blame for every **** thing going on in this country.

but he will just deny everything.
 
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You guys are all morons, it isnt the bush administration, it is not the clinton administration...

The entire problem is Pcolav6

Yep. That is the truth of it. He is to blame for every **** thing going on in this country.

but he will just deny everything.
I agree. lol
 
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Forget about the war. The defense budget is only 20% of the overall budget. Entitlements are 60%. Compared to the rest of the crap our government is doing, Iraq is cheap. As for the bailout, one can do so many more helpful stuff, other than collectivizing. For example, Congress could have enacted the FairTax which though the effects wouldn't be immediate, once it becomes felt, it will create a boom instead. Another thing government could have done was deflate the dollar to give Americans more purchasing power. Those are just two examples. Also, even though it's lying, you cannot have the president be honest w/ the economy. The last time someone tried that (Carter), everyone panicked. Even if the economy is bad, you have to say it's good. Otherwise, retarded people freak out and either sell everything or do a bank run. Both of which makes things worse.
 
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That article is 100% invalid until legitimate sources are provided.
 
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