Also, to Slither, in all my eager objectioning to this, i forgot to mention that regardless of what I think about the subject and the image itself, I did want to say "Good job on the technical execution of the imaging itself. The whole things belnds together very well, and putting Obamas face into the pciture doesn't "skew" the looks of the pic either. In spite of perhaps in a sideways manner of supporting your idea, I'll say that it almost looks like Obama's face was already in the pciture to begin with.

General, short-story conclusion of aboce; Good Photoshop skills.

 

LMAO at this thread...

i was expecting to see some more photoshops not some debate. i was just at mickey D's and seen the picture of obama giving a speech in berlin...i didnt even know that ****** was here!

good job donnie i seen this on sliver registry too and this place has took this to another level. when i seen the picture i just laughed i didnt think it was comparing anything to hitler but i also must admit i am not following the presidential race at all or reading articles about what is going on. i dont have cable television nor do i sit at my computer to read about what this ya-hoo is talking about or what the other guy is rambling about.

 

I'll say it again, free choice is your right. I just hope that you enjoy your Mustang while you have it because with Obama in office, you won't have it much longer.

I will certainly agree that neither of our choices are wonderful, but I will vote for a US Veteran over a racist, non-militant, welfare supporting idiot any day.

I don't know if any of you saw the polls on AOL's website, but out of 400,000+ votes there were a whole two states that voted for Obama, N. and S. Dakota.. LOL!

 

blah blah blah calm down...don't get so but hurt about it rofl.

 

I'm pretty sure McCain has supported the welfare to work program.....I think some of you think the welfare program is like it used to be. It's not. You can't just sit on your *** and get a welfare check like people used to be able to. There are all kinds of work and training related requirements that come along with it. I also believe there is a pretty strict time line so people can't be on it for too long.

Polls are pointless at this point and if you want real data look at Gallup or something like that, not a stupid AOL poll http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx.

So if the defenition of Militant is: engaged in combat-warfare or or aggressively active I'm fine with non-militant. I'd rather not have another war monger president. I personally think that Obama would use force if he it came down do it, but it would be after all options have been exausted.

You have to understand that what these candidates say in the campaing versus what they really will do are probably two different things. In my mind, if Obama was president and the Military comes to him with good information about a terrorist camp located somewhere where they can use force he'll do it.

I have said this before, if McCain was still the rogue Senator he once was I'd probably support him, but as soon as he started poking Bush in the *** I won't support him and I don't know that a lot of independents will either.

I wonder why the more educated population supports Obama? Maybe cause they can actually understand what he is saying.

 

Are you serious? did you seriouslly just say the more educated population supports Obama? That is the funniest **** I have read all day! hahahahaha.

 

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Since people were quoting poles here you go.

Readers digest.....Obama has a pretty good lead in the polls from people with post graduate degrees.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108709/Ob...Education.aspx

 

jj, If you honestly believe that bullshit that you spit out about welfare you obviously haven't traveled to the south recently. You don't see it, because they couldn't afford to live in CA on welfare. Around here though, they get plenty of money to sit on their asses and make more babies for US to pay for while they do jack ****. Government housing being built constantly, food stamps, healthcare, hell we haven't even gotten to the illegals yet.

Like I've said, you're all inclined to your own opinions no matter how wrong I and MANY, MANY others believe you are. I can honestly say that the three of you on this forum are the only people that I have spoken with that support Obama, and I speak with atleast 20 clients on a daily basis.

The media is feeding you all a bunch of lines and you're following like sheep. Hell, Obama is so wrapped up in himself that he has already proclaimed himself as the next president. What a pompous ***.

 

WNRacing, explain to me what you think is going to happen if Obama is elected President.

Really, im curious. Is the world going to end? I really need to know.

 

 

We currently have a president that the entire world hates, its good that we have a candidate that can go to another country and be accepted.


McCain is another Bush. Why the hell would we want 4 more years of the same asshattery? We need to get out of Iraq, we have no business there. Over 4,000 soldiers died unneccessarily. Obama has a plan, and we need to get back on track. Not to mention McCain has nothing to offer but a military record. He was almost dead last in his class (Naval Academy WTF?). I don't want another Bush in office.

 

I would just like to know what your going to say (WNRacing) if McCain is elected and runs the country the exact same way as Bush. You never know how any canidate is going to run the country based on how they campaign. Both parties make promises they don't keep, so we usually get screwed somehow. You talk about welfare and Obama, but has any other president really done anything about it? I say bring back Bill. At least our economy was at the best it ever was with him in office.

 

+1,000,000

 

When bill was the president the economy was good everything was less then now. Who cares if he had a bitch? **** McCain......

 

isn't that an oxymoron? jewish obama supporter?

 

Damn politics get touchy (this coming from me is lol)

 

Let me put it this way.

I want someone in office that is going to support our troops. Someone that is going to pat them on the back for what they do and sacrifice for all of us every day. Not some asshat that thinks he knows about politics and military service and does nothing but critisize(sp?) them for what they have given us. We have our freedom and we have our lifestyles today because of them. If you think the need to leave Iraq or the middle east without finishing the job then you're an idiot, if we leave right now and don't move out in small waves then we are throwing up the white flag and saying we give in, "you win." The terrorists will be right back here on our soil, killing us, again. I don't agree with everything that the "W" administration has done, and I do not want another "W" but I also don't want an unqualified, questionable man being my president. I have watched several of the interviews and conferences with Obama and he is very slow and timid to answer questions, he squirms around in his chair uncomfortably when anyone asks him about religion, racial items, and especially on welfare issues. I give enough of my hard-earned money away to irresponsible, lazy bums as it is and if you feel like giving more then I suggest finding a good charity.

I think many of you who support Obama are from the west (mostly Cali.) and some from the north, need to come out to the the south/ south east and deal with what we deal with on a daily basis. Our economy isn't nearly what you live with and the amount of people on welfare and government "assistance" is obsurd. IF you need an example, I just bought a house built in '91, 1240 sq ft for $107,9XX. You would be hard pressed to even find an apt. for that, correct? I don't even know what min. wage is around there, but here it is only about $7.00/hr and it's pretty tough to find much of anything that pays any better than about $10.00/hr.

The bottom line here is that you guys can decide to vote for whoever you want, there isn't a "great" choice between the two, but I personally believe that Obama doesn't have good intentions for this country and my gut tells me to vote for McCain.

The choice is yours, but I love my country, love and support my troops and have no intentions of changing that anytime soon. My vote goes to McCain.



:::Now, with all of that said. I have no intention to arguing this point any further. If you're dead set on voting for a man with two years of experience in any office, no working experience of any kind (as far as I know he has never held down a real 9-5 job) then by all means, let him be your president. -- I personally will continue to pray that we can all collectively grow some kind of a brain and vote for the man that will do the best job, and not put this country in jeopardy of getting any worse.

 

Wtf are you talking about inexperienced? McCain has a military background, thats it. Went to the Naval academy and was almost dead last in his class. You want a president that has absolutely no education compared to someone who graduated from Harvard? This isnt the 1700's, we don't need a president that can fight himself. We need a president that can think for himself and has a plan.

Besides, McCain is old as ****. :-)

 

I wish I could find something to combat your "McCain is old" statement, but I think that pretty much warrants no argument. I don't give two ***** if Obama graduated from Harvard, Yale, and Princeton I still don't want him to be my president. Done arguing the point though, vote for whoever you want. That's what's great about this country and all that our troops are fighting for, to give you all the right to vote for and support whoever you want.

 

Terrorists want to attack us because we are interfering with their country and try to run it the way we want to. If the leader of a country is killing his own people, who are we to interfere. Yeah it sucks, but it's not our country. You don't see England or France or anyone stepping in and trying to remove all the thugs and gansters on our streets. We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars "rebuidling" Irag. What exactly have we rebuilt. We are fighting an endless war. There will always be terrorists and it will never stop. It's like trying to make the Israeli's and Palestinians stop fighting.

 

You do realise that McCain voted against funding for better equipment for our armed forces, new bullet proof vests, ect.

He also voted against better benefits for veterans

He also voted against better college grants for men and women who enlisted into the military

He also voted against the GI Bill

He voted against damned near everything to benefit a soldier, discharged or still active.

While Obama voted FOR. Your talks about "someone who gives a damn about our troops" has become invalid. Especially with McCains laughable new commercial "obama would rather go to the gym then see injured troops in Germany"

He went to Iraq, saw the troops, injured, ok, whatever. Went to Walter Reid, and the gym thing, he was playing basketball, with soldiers.

The McCain campaign thought he would be terrible in the MidEast and around the military bases, turns out, he was just the opposite.

Ok I'm done, I just had to point that out...

 

Zing! If McCain is elected, we are going to continue going downhill.

I believe that Barack Obama will turn this country around.

 

Very nice!

 

In keeping with the initial intent of making humor\fun of a political candidate, and in regards to McCains military experience;

Doesn't McCains military experience consist mainly of being caught by the enemy?

 

I am an unbiased American and still have no idea who I'm going to vote for. I'd really like to see sources on your post.

Here are some articles I found in regards to some topics in your post:

Defense Department FY 2007 Authorization bill, date: 06/22/2006.
S 2766: An original bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2007 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe personnel strengths for such fiscal year for the Armed Forces, and for other purposes.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Vote to pass a bill that appropriates $505.23 billion to the Department of Defense and related agencies.

McCain voted 'yes'.

Future Military Funding for Iraq Amendment, date 04/18/2005
S AMDT 464 to HR 1268: To express the sense of the Senate on future requests for funding for military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Vote to adopt a non-binding, amendment that expresses the Senate's will that future military operation funds be included in the regular budget proposal and not in an emergency supplemental appropriation bill.

McCain voted 'yes'.


According to this page;
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvo...8&can_id=53270
McCain did not vote against the GI Bill. He did not vote at all, which does not necessarily constitute a 'no' vote.

According to CBS, FoxNews, etc, he (Obama) cancelled his vist to the troops.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07...y4292302.shtml

Also, according this this source, Obama cancelled his visit by his own decision to visit wounded troops.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07...ps-in-germany/
Apparently, if he would have, he would have not been able to address the media or make any statements related to the campaign. That seems a little 'odd' to me.

Also, according to senator McCain's remarks, this is what I found on the Project Vote Smart website:
"And as our troops took the fight to the enemy, Senator Obama tried to cut off funding for them. He was one of only 14 senators to vote against the emergency funding in May 2007 that supported our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. He would choose to lose in Iraq in hopes of winning in Afghanistan. But had his position been adopted, we would have lost both wars."

McCain's statement in regards to the groundbreaking of the New National Military Medical Center:
http://www.votesmart.org/speech_deta...hrase=&contain=

McCain's statement in regards to benefits for Veterans and Servicemembers:
http://www.votesmart.org/speech_deta...hrase=&contain=

Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations, date: 12/18/2007.
Vote to adopt an amendment to the consolidated appropriations bill (HR 2764) to include $70 billion for military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

McCain voted 'yes'.

Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants
Vote to pass a bill that makes changes to regulations and funding of federal student financial aid.

McCain voted 'no'.

Since I am at work and I don't have a lot of time, I will stop there. I'd just really like to see more sources, good and bad, for both McCain and Obama. I'm definitely going to do more research on both candidates tomorrow. I try to keep in mind that political candidates will often 'bash' each other and I'm not a fan of that. I try to keep a blind eye and a deaf ear when I see those commercials or hear them trying to tear each other limb from limb. They don't seem to realize that hostility will not win them the campaign. Knowledge, intelligence, honor, honesty (haha), integrity, and a good stance on certain issues are what will gain them the presidency.

I'm not in a position to take sides right now, but I'd rather see sources than opinions.

 

rom the Obama campaign here is a list of some of the things McCain voted against, “Obama Voted for and McCain Voted Against $360 Million for Armored Vehicles for Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2005, Obama voted for and McCain voted against providing $360.8 million for armored tactical wheeled vehicles for units deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and $5 million to establish ballistics engineering research centers at two major research institutions. The measure against which McCain voted also required such centers to advance knowledge and application of ballistics materials and procedures to improve the safety of land-based military vehicles. [HR 2863, Vote 248, 10/5/05, Passed 56-43: R 13-42 D 42-1 I 1-0]”

McCain voted twice against repealing the capital gains tax cut and applying the savings to replace equipment used by the Army and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan, “A week later, prior to the issuance of a conference report regarding that measure, Obama voted for and McCain voted against a measure to “insist that conference report include funding to strengthen America’s military, as contained in Senate-passed amendment, instead of any extension of tax cuts for capital gains and dividends (which do not expire until 2009), as contained in House-passed bill.” [HR 4297, Vote 8, 2/2/06, Passed 44-53: R 1-52 D 42-1 I 1-0; HR 4297, Vote 18, 2/14/06, Failed 45-55: R 1-54 D 43-1 I 1-0]”

McCain voted against providing an additional $322 million for troop equipment and body armor. [S 1689, Vote 376, 10/2/03, Passed 49-37: R 46-0 D 2-37 I 1-0; National Journal’s CongressDaily, 10/3/03]. He also voted against $1 billion in new equipment for the National Guard. . [S 762, Vote 116, 4/2/03, Passed 52-47: R 51-0 D 1-46 I 0-1]

McCain also has numerous votes against increased funding for veterans’ health care. [HR 4297, Vote 7, Failed 44-53: R 1-52; D 42-1 (ND 38-1, SD 4-0); I 1-0; 2/2/06 HR 4939, Vote 98, 4/26/06, Passed 84-13, D 41-0; R 42-13; I 1-0; The Independent Budget, A Budget for Veterans by Veterans, 2/10/06; Newsweek, 1/19/06] McCain did vote for tripling veterans’ health care fees, while he opposed increased funding for veterans’ health care.

So, John McCain, this supposed friend of the troops and American patriot has voted against equipment, medical care, and the new GI Bill for the troops. It seems that in McCain’s eyes the troops are only good for fighting. He doesn’t care if they have the right equipment while they are in battle or the proper care when they come home. If this is the definition of a patriot, then I would rather do the right thing by the people in the military and be called a traitor. John McCain was a hero as a soldier, but he has betrayed a generation of those who serve, by putting his own ambitions ahead of his moral duty to those who serve.


http://www.politicususa.com/en/McCain-trroop-funding

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559


Chief Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell confirmed to Politico that Department of Defense officials cautioned Barack Obama's campaign that his planned visit to wounded American troops in Germany could not be political in nature.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/29/us...s/29truth.html

On Obama not visit troops in Germany, going to Afghanistan and visiting troops, and also going to Walter Reid.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807300011

More on the cancelation of the trip.

 

Thank you for the insight. I will definitely be delving into this a little further.

 

OBAMA IS A DOUCHEBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!

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nice pic btw

 

Wnracing

Just curous if you could expand on a few points. Not trying to dog you on this or really debate, im just wondering the basis behind these...

You stated

....... im not following this? how could he take away my mustang?.. hell bush himself put into play the requirement that all car manufacturers must average at least 35mpg for the whole fleet sold. That means for every 25mpg mustang sold fors HAS to sell a 45mpg car as well...? Looks like if anything is going to doom the mustang it is that 35mpg rule. Why spend R&D engineering a car that they can only selll a car that at BEST can attribute to 3-4% of thier sales? Especially when they are trying to push the Family SUV's and Trucks at the same time?

Also, when you drive around, how many fuel efficient cars do you see for every gas guzzling SUV?,....in colorado i see about 8-10 SUVs or big *** trucks for every mid sized sedan, and i see 100's of those gas guzzlers for every hybrid.

Does obama have some way of removing the Tahos, Suburbans, Escelades, Hum-Vs, H2s, Sequoias, Ford F150, F250, F350, Expeditions, Excursions, Land Cruisers, Titans, 1500's, etc etc etc the list goes on and on and on. Is he gonna take all those away?

is he somehow gonna outlaw 75% of the cars on the road and force everyone to buy new? lol

No offence, but that really seems like typical sensationalism hyperbole, and i dont see how any rational person can actually believe that.

Also...

lol.....

You do realize the main reason they dont like us is because we are in thier land right? Infadels invading thier holy land? All they want is us to leave. They know damn good and well they couldnt wage war on us and ever expect to win, If we are not there, then they can go back to riding around on horses cutting eachothers heads off like the good ol days.
If we leave, so what if they think they won? I mean, what the **** are we even doing there if we arent getting cheap oil? Please explain exactly WHAT we are accomplishing there other than pissing off the people who live there. What is the benefit? If we pulled out, they would consider them to have won a huge war against us, and they will go back to killing themselves, and we could save a shitload of money and thousands of lives. Please explain why you think they would be coming after us if we left, i mean hell, all they want is us to leave. Thats all.


Every person here who has noted that what the canidate says before the election vs what he does after winning the election are not always the same, is off to a goodd start on making a decision.. Going off a persons politics alone i think is a pretty poor measure for determining a canidate. I think the best bet is to try to gauge the persons character and see weather or not they are a person of integrity.


Every single election i have witnessed since the regan elections uses those synsational hyperbolic claims. "If you vote for canidate A then computers will control the world by 1985!!!" well.... turned out ok diddnt it?

Personally i like Mccain. I think he is a great person, he has always been a hero to me, but at this point i am just so absolutly disgusted with the government that i want somone who is at the opposite spectrum, not another bush. And while i like mccain, i think if he gets elected it will be more of the same, and thats not something i would like.


EDIT: also, supporting the troops does not mean sending them out to fight. What could possibly support our troops more than letting them come home safely to thier familys and to stop this rediculous waste of lives that doesent yield any benefit?

Supporting the troops is a stand-alone principle that does not have to fall in with "support the war"

 

^ I totally agree.