Interested in sports bikes, need advice.
#91
You say your crash had nothing to do with riding a super sport type bike, but are you entirely sure? With these bikes, as you experienced, when you're at any sort of lean angle and grab a fistful of front brake, the bike, being a race bike does what ots supposed to. the caliper pistons surge the brake pad into the big *** rotor..and the front suspension does not give a **** if you're in a corner or not. It will react accordingly. The front tire will fold and you have a lowside type crash.
This is much less comon on a standard sport bike, because everything is much more forgiving under circumstances like these. You learned a lot from your crash.. **** so did I. But it's avoiding unnecessary accidents is what I'm trying to get at. What if he's riding a couple months from now, cool and confident, on a gorgeous canyon road. He decided to go against popular opinion and get a 09 gsxr 600. It's all good, he's got some miles under the belt. He knows what's up. Enters a corner and sees some gravel, oh ****! Front brake! Lowside off the side of the canyon.
There are a million situations like the stupid one I came up with. It has a lot to do with chance.. But also a lot to do with the decisions you make as a rider.
This is much less comon on a standard sport bike, because everything is much more forgiving under circumstances like these. You learned a lot from your crash.. **** so did I. But it's avoiding unnecessary accidents is what I'm trying to get at. What if he's riding a couple months from now, cool and confident, on a gorgeous canyon road. He decided to go against popular opinion and get a 09 gsxr 600. It's all good, he's got some miles under the belt. He knows what's up. Enters a corner and sees some gravel, oh ****! Front brake! Lowside off the side of the canyon.
There are a million situations like the stupid one I came up with. It has a lot to do with chance.. But also a lot to do with the decisions you make as a rider.
Last edited by Badfish; 04-08-2011 at 01:55 AM.
#92
You say your crash had nothing to do with riding a super sport type bike, but are you entirely sure? With these bikes, as you experienced, when you're at any sort of lean angle and grab a fistful of front brake, the bike, being a race bike does what ots supposed to. the caliper pistons surge the brake pad into the big *** rotor..and the front suspension does not give a **** if you're in a corner or not. It will react accordingly. The front tire will fold and you have a lowside type crash.
This is much less comon on a standard sport bike, because everything is much more forgiving under circumstances like these. You learned a lot from your crash.. **** so did I. But it's avoiding unnecessary accidents is what I'm trying to get at. What if he's riding a couple months from now, cool and confident, on a gorgeous canyon road. He decided to go against popular opinion and get a 09 gsxr 600. It's all good, he's got some miles under the belt. He knows what's up. Enters a corner and sees some gravel, oh ****! Front brake! Lowside off the side of the canyon.
There are a million situations like the stupid one I came up with. It has a lot to do with chance.. But also a lot to do with the decisions you make as a rider.
This is much less comon on a standard sport bike, because everything is much more forgiving under circumstances like these. You learned a lot from your crash.. **** so did I. But it's avoiding unnecessary accidents is what I'm trying to get at. What if he's riding a couple months from now, cool and confident, on a gorgeous canyon road. He decided to go against popular opinion and get a 09 gsxr 600. It's all good, he's got some miles under the belt. He knows what's up. Enters a corner and sees some gravel, oh ****! Front brake! Lowside off the side of the canyon.
There are a million situations like the stupid one I came up with. It has a lot to do with chance.. But also a lot to do with the decisions you make as a rider.
What about having a Motard for a first bike? LOL
How long have you been riding?
#93
I think the whole thing comes down to why even risk it?
I bought my 250 for hella cheap, and sold it back for only $300 less than I bought it. With another 1,000+ miles on the clock when I sold it. Then I bought my R6 and multiple bikes since then.
But I took the class, and I started out on the 250. Had plenty of close calls but thanks to the 250 being a lighter bike and less of a full-on race bike, I was able to catch myself and not get my *** seriously hurt.
Why take the risk of buying an expensive bike, having a higher risk of seriously getting hurt, and having something much more expensive to replace? It's a no-brainer in my opinion. Buy something cheap and slow, learn the physics of it all, learn yourself and how to react. Then step up to a bigger bike. You're not going to lose out on anything but a couple of hundred bucks if that, guaranteed.
I bought my 250 for hella cheap, and sold it back for only $300 less than I bought it. With another 1,000+ miles on the clock when I sold it. Then I bought my R6 and multiple bikes since then.
But I took the class, and I started out on the 250. Had plenty of close calls but thanks to the 250 being a lighter bike and less of a full-on race bike, I was able to catch myself and not get my *** seriously hurt.
Why take the risk of buying an expensive bike, having a higher risk of seriously getting hurt, and having something much more expensive to replace? It's a no-brainer in my opinion. Buy something cheap and slow, learn the physics of it all, learn yourself and how to react. Then step up to a bigger bike. You're not going to lose out on anything but a couple of hundred bucks if that, guaranteed.
#94
I think the whole thing comes down to why even risk it?
I bought my 250 for hella cheap, and sold it back for only $300 less than I bought it. With another 1,000+ miles on the clock when I sold it. Then I bought my R6 and multiple bikes since then.
But I took the class, and I started out on the 250. Had plenty of close calls but thanks to the 250 being a lighter bike and less of a full-on race bike, I was able to catch myself and not get my *** seriously hurt.
Why take the risk of buying an expensive bike, having a higher risk of seriously getting hurt, and having something much more expensive to replace? It's a no-brainer in my opinion. Buy something cheap and slow, learn the physics of it all, learn yourself and how to react. Then step up to a bigger bike. You're not going to lose out on anything but a couple of hundred bucks if that, guaranteed.
I bought my 250 for hella cheap, and sold it back for only $300 less than I bought it. With another 1,000+ miles on the clock when I sold it. Then I bought my R6 and multiple bikes since then.
But I took the class, and I started out on the 250. Had plenty of close calls but thanks to the 250 being a lighter bike and less of a full-on race bike, I was able to catch myself and not get my *** seriously hurt.
Why take the risk of buying an expensive bike, having a higher risk of seriously getting hurt, and having something much more expensive to replace? It's a no-brainer in my opinion. Buy something cheap and slow, learn the physics of it all, learn yourself and how to react. Then step up to a bigger bike. You're not going to lose out on anything but a couple of hundred bucks if that, guaranteed.
#95
A brand-new ninja 250R is 60lbs. lighter than a ZX6R....60lbs is quite a bit if you're trying to catch yourself on one leg in the middle of a high-side. Trust me.
#96
2010 Ninja 250R: 374.9
2010 ZX-6R: 401.2
That's not even close to 60lbs.. lol
Eidt:
Nevermind.
2011 Ninja: 374.9
2011 ZX-6R: 421.2
Interesting how mine is faster and older, but yet lighter than both them.
Last edited by BikerSk8rKid; 04-08-2011 at 03:00 AM.
#97
yea, let threads like these keep going all the way... lol, I'm still a very noob member on here, but I can tell it's not very lively compared to how it used to be.
And to everyone else, I've been getting so many replies that I can't get to them all, you guys have been really helpfull... and when I am ready to buy a bike in a few month, I will give you guys all the details and let you give some input.
I'll reply to some more comments when I get back on, but i gotta head out the door now.
And to everyone else, I've been getting so many replies that I can't get to them all, you guys have been really helpfull... and when I am ready to buy a bike in a few month, I will give you guys all the details and let you give some input.
I'll reply to some more comments when I get back on, but i gotta head out the door now.
#103
yea, let threads like these keep going all the way... lol, I'm still a very noob member on here, but I can tell it's not very lively compared to how it used to be.
And to everyone else, I've been getting so many replies that I can't get to them all, you guys have been really helpfull... and when I am ready to buy a bike in a few month, I will give you guys all the details and let you give some input.
I'll reply to some more comments when I get back on, but i gotta head out the door now.
And to everyone else, I've been getting so many replies that I can't get to them all, you guys have been really helpfull... and when I am ready to buy a bike in a few month, I will give you guys all the details and let you give some input.
I'll reply to some more comments when I get back on, but i gotta head out the door now.
Last edited by NeedACobra; 04-08-2011 at 04:29 PM.
#104
Just make sure that you do all the research on whatever bike you're getting so you'll know exactly how much power, and whatever else you're going to be dealing with, and get a good feel for it before you take it out on the road, and dont let 08cockstain_DP discourage you on whatever you decide to buy.
Considering the fact I've raced and rode streetbikes for years now, my opinion is obviously bullshit.
But lets listen to the guy who doesn't even own a bike!!! Because he is the OBVIOUS genius!
BikerSk8rKid, this guy is a squid. Fishy wasn't wrong.
#105
Lol good one! I'm glad we still have some highschoolers on this board. Your immaturity supersedes you.
Considering the fact I've raced and rode streetbikes for years now, my opinion is obviously bullshit.
But lets listen to the guy who doesn't even own a bike!!! Because he is the OBVIOUS genius!
BikerSk8rKid, this guy is a squid. Fishy wasn't wrong.
Considering the fact I've raced and rode streetbikes for years now, my opinion is obviously bullshit.
But lets listen to the guy who doesn't even own a bike!!! Because he is the OBVIOUS genius!
BikerSk8rKid, this guy is a squid. Fishy wasn't wrong.
#107
I'm really wanting a ninja... but since it's my first bike, the majority of you think I should get the 250r, correct? And even though the 650r isn't a super sport, that still might be too much for a noob?
Maybe Tuesday I'll go check out the bike shop. Just to see them, not buying new.
Maybe Tuesday I'll go check out the bike shop. Just to see them, not buying new.
#108
I'm really wanting a ninja... but since it's my first bike, the majority of you think I should get the 250r, correct? And even though the 650r isn't a super sport, that still might be too much for a noob?
Maybe Tuesday I'll go check out the bike shop. Just to see them, not buying new.
Maybe Tuesday I'll go check out the bike shop. Just to see them, not buying new.
#109
Get the Ninja 650.
The 250R is a Ninja as well, just so you know. haha
#111
yea, i knew that. lol... i meant i really wanted a ninja, so i would probably just be choosing between the ninja 250 or 650, instead of some of the other brands suggested.
#112
I got passed by a 250 Ninja today. :O
#119
Lol good one! I'm glad we still have some highschoolers on this board. Your immaturity supersedes you.
Considering the fact I've raced and rode streetbikes for years now, my opinion is obviously bullshit.
But lets listen to the guy who doesn't even own a bike!!! Because he is the OBVIOUS genius!
BikerSk8rKid, this guy is a squid. Fishy wasn't wrong.
Considering the fact I've raced and rode streetbikes for years now, my opinion is obviously bullshit.
But lets listen to the guy who doesn't even own a bike!!! Because he is the OBVIOUS genius!
BikerSk8rKid, this guy is a squid. Fishy wasn't wrong.
#120
But let's not get into specifics. I don't measure my dick size by the amount of people I **** off on the internet, nor do I stoop so low as to getting roid rage on something so so serious as the interwebz.
This forum doesn't need your highschool drama bullshit. Nothing you have posted in this thread has been useful, only trying to make yourself seem like some badass. How about you meet me or Fishy in real life and lets see how big that mouth of yours really is.