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I gave actual running a second chance. I ran quarter mile sprints and then walked a bit for about two miles. Still don't like it, but it's not as difficult as it used to be. I will stick to the elliptical machine. I haven't been doing P90X religiously, but rather supplementing my current exercise schedule with it. The problem is I need to get a set of weights or resistance bands. Weights are expensive as hell I have come to find out. I will probably get some bands since they are cheaper and take up less space. I am dropping about a pound a week or so without being super strict on my diet. I have seen some improvement in muscle definition, so that is pretty good.
If you want to drop more weight doing that and increase your running ability go about 80% on the sprints and instead of walking try to keep a light jog. This is also a great way to help heart health because it doesnt allow it to go all the way back down.
 
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Great post on proper lifting! I'll have to see if I can get my hands on one of thoes books. I know I probably don't lift as properly as I should. When I was in powerlifting in highschool, they had us lifting to a certain form to a "T". For squat, they would watch to see if we went parallel, or had a little stool that we had to put or butt on and then lift up. We had to freaking squat weight from a sitting postion, my 415 squat was legit, haha. For bench press, I don't lower the bar all the way to my chest. I normally take it to where my elbows are right past my back, or the bar is three inches from my chest.

Good luck in Iraq, seems like all my friends that are going back and forth over there have become Mr. Olympia canidates.
Its hard work. Trust me, I am not ripped or anything but I am gaining some muscle. Just have some body fat thats hard to get rid of. The high intensity of the workouts I get are doing work. I run out of gas on everything they put up and I have to drop the prescribed weight to lift.

I benched just you did because there were joints that didnt agree with the bar touching my chest. Took about 3-4 different sessions for my body to get used to the movements and has been working pretty well. I like the idea of getting maximum movement.

Iraq is a cake walk right now man. Afghanistan will be a challenge to get in gym time.
 
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:12 AM
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I mapped out a course from my apartament to the nature reserve trail on the nearby college campus to a walking/biking trail that is close by that is about 15 miles round trip. I biked it the other day and was pretty beat by the end but really enjoyed it. The calories burned will probably do me some good. Hopefully they will get the pool opened up soon and I can start working in some swimming.
 
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Climbed/Hiked a mountain today with about a thousand foot elevation. It was pretty crazy, a lot more than I expected. I lost a couple of pounds just by sweating.
 
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Ten pounds lost.
 
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Ten pounds lost.
Not bad. Probably more since there is some muscle being put on.
 
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Lost 8 here but put on muscle. Friday is day 60 in p90x!
 
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Lost 8 here but put on muscle. Friday is day 60 in p90x!
Thats awesome. I should be more strict in doing P90X. I've been riding my bike a lot, 15-20 miles a day, but it doesn't build muscle like I want. By then end I am beat and don't want to do anything else. It might be a good thing though as I'm not getting bored with anything. The girlfriend and I are planning on going canoeing this weekend, along with a short hiking trip thrown in.
 
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Not bad. Probably more since there is some muscle being put on.
Muscle is around 4x more dense than fat tissue, for reference.

As far as biking goes unless you have some good hills or do bike sprints you arene't going to build a lot of muscle. If you don't feel like doing the whole P90X do just the pushups. That is what I do in season and it builds muscle (obviously not as much as the whole program but it helps and is easier to fit into a schedule if you are going on long rides)
 
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Muscle is around 4x more dense than fat tissue, for reference.
Yes, as in he probably lost more fat tissue than the scale says

Other news I clean and jerked 185 pounds 8 times in 5 minutes finally getting some confidence with throwing myself under the bar. I also been running a 5k 2 times a week. Havent lost any weight though :\
 

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Yes, as in he probably lost more fat tissue than the scale says

Other news I clean and jerked 185 pounds 8 times in 5 minutes finally getting some confidence with throwing myself under the bar. I also been running a 5k 2 times a week. Havent lost any weight though :\
Not losing any weight can be frustrating. I've read that you shouldn't weigh yourself everyday and to do it only once a week. Until I have been doing all of my workouts for a while or get a hard set schedule, I think it is better to weight myself everyday. It helps me know what may have worked or not worked the days prior. I've had days or a couple of days where I didn't lose weight or gained weight, so I can go back and think about what I ate, how I worked out, and try to figure out what I did that may have caused it. I don't know really how fast is built and how much it weighs, I can only see the results. So as long as I'm losing weight, gaining strength, seeing better muscle definition, I'll be happy.

Congrats on the clean and jerk. I remember when we used to do that for Football or Offseason, its a lot of technique. Deadlift the weight quickly, rotate the wrists, drop down, squat/benchpress to throw it up, from what I remember. I need to get into a big gym with enough room for me to do some.
 
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I'm good with not losing any weight. I'm dropping BF % slowly and maintaing my weight so my eating is just right for maintenance. .

The clean took me a long time to figure out and I'm still working on it. A workout called for 165lb clean and jerks and I worked my way up and it felt pretty good so I just went to see how heavy I could go. Its a very technical move and its hard to explain but you deadlift to about mid thigh and the next part is called the explosion because simultaneously you jump and shrug the bar up to your chest. While your still in the movement drop your elbows under the bar and rest the bar on the meaty part of your shoulders as you catch it. In the catch possition you should be in a partial front squat and if its heavy you will be in a full squat. The hard part is driving up out of the squat position. The jerk part is another explosive movement because you actually dont drive the bar up over your head with your arms. You dip under the bar and lock out your elbows with the weight over your head. Your legs will either split like a scissor or you may spread your legs further apart to drop enough for your arms to lock out. Once locked you stand back up and lock out with the barbel behind your ears or over your midfoot. This part is scary for me especially if I struggle to get out of the squat position.

I bought a book to teach me all of these movements since I dont have access to a strength coach.
 
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I'm good with not losing any weight. I'm dropping BF % slowly and maintaing my weight so my eating is just right for maintenance. .

The clean took me a long time to figure out and I'm still working on it. A workout called for 165lb clean and jerks and I worked my way up and it felt pretty good so I just went to see how heavy I could go. Its a very technical move and its hard to explain but you deadlift to about mid thigh and the next part is called the explosion because simultaneously you jump and shrug the bar up to your chest. While your still in the movement drop your elbows under the bar and rest the bar on the meaty part of your shoulders as you catch it. In the catch possition you should be in a partial front squat and if its heavy you will be in a full squat. The hard part is driving up out of the squat position. The jerk part is another explosive movement because you actually dont drive the bar up over your head with your arms. You dip under the bar and lock out your elbows with the weight over your head. Your legs will either split like a scissor or you may spread your legs further apart to drop enough for your arms to lock out. Once locked you stand back up and lock out with the barbel behind your ears or over your midfoot. This part is scary for me especially if I struggle to get out of the squat position.

I bought a book to teach me all of these movements since I dont have access to a strength coach.
You bought a book to teach you how to clean and jerk? Heh. Practice going through the motions with just the bar to get your form right. I always thought that particular exercise was stupid and too old fashioned, and slow paced. Squats and military press would suffice. But it is satisfying to be able to say that you can clean and jerk such and such weight.
 
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You bought a book to teach you how to clean and jerk? Heh. Practice going through the motions with just the bar to get your form right. I always thought that particular exercise was stupid and too old fashioned, and slow paced. Squats and military press would suffice. But it is satisfying to be able to say that you can clean and jerk such and such weight.
Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe. Basically its a book for coaches and beginner/novice lifters such as myself. Sure, I could of read through countless threads and gotten the opinion from everyother ******* out there on the internet. Call me old fashioned but I bought a book from a seasoned gym owner, coach and power lifiting champion. What is the difference from going to your local gym and getting a personal trainer? I'm in Iraq you douchebag. I'm 27 and before 6 weeks ago I never performed this lift in my life. Hence, the purchase of aforementioned book. This broke down the movement to where a child could comprehend and that is exactly what I needed to keep proper form from the beginning to the end of the movement. ****, 185lbs isnt even heavy but its heavy for me. I'm working out to get myself fit and in shape not to get huge nor brag about this and that. Continue to hate it strokes my ego.

Press has nothing to do with clean and jerk. If you knew what you were talking about you wouldnt of put the two together. Press is all shoulder and chest because you drive the bar over your head with your arms. Jerk is when you dip below the bar and drive up with your legs once you lock your arms.

The clean and jerk is more for speed then it is for strength building. You have to be fast when you are driving up and dipping below the barbell. Old fashioned but it is still an Olympic lifting event. Apparently, its good for something.

Barbell workouts are the best for strength building. Probably will not get you ripped because all you have to do to get ripped is have 5% body fat.
 
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I'm good with not losing any weight. I'm dropping BF % slowly and maintaing my weight so my eating is just right for maintenance. .

The clean took me a long time to figure out and I'm still working on it. A workout called for 165lb clean and jerks and I worked my way up and it felt pretty good so I just went to see how heavy I could go. Its a very technical move and its hard to explain but you deadlift to about mid thigh and the next part is called the explosion because simultaneously you jump and shrug the bar up to your chest. While your still in the movement drop your elbows under the bar and rest the bar on the meaty part of your shoulders as you catch it. In the catch possition you should be in a partial front squat and if its heavy you will be in a full squat. The hard part is driving up out of the squat position. The jerk part is another explosive movement because you actually dont drive the bar up over your head with your arms. You dip under the bar and lock out your elbows with the weight over your head. Your legs will either split like a scissor or you may spread your legs further apart to drop enough for your arms to lock out. Once locked you stand back up and lock out with the barbel behind your ears or over your midfoot. This part is scary for me especially if I struggle to get out of the squat position.

I bought a book to teach me all of these movements since I dont have access to a strength coach.
I've just about maintained the weight where I'm at now for almost a year now. It feels pretty good I must say knowing that my eating habits are like second nature now. I've been doing a little more lifting than before to get more toned and drop some body fat.

God forbid you buy a book to better yourself. Quite being a ***** and just go do it. If you hurt yourself, at least you were just being a man. haha (sarcasm in case that wasn't clear)
 
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I think half of weight training is learning how to properly lift the weight. I'd rather read a short book about the science and technique of lifting than go blindly into a gym and possibly hurt myself or be doing activity that isn't helping.
 
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I've just about maintained the weight where I'm at now for almost a year now. It feels pretty good I must say knowing that my eating habits are like second nature now. I've been doing a little more lifting than before to get more toned and drop some body fat.

God forbid you buy a book to better yourself. Quite being a ***** and just go do it. If you hurt yourself, at least you were just being a man. haha (sarcasm in case that wasn't clear)
haha. Funny when you recite it like Ahnawld would.
 
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haha. Funny when you recite it like Ahnawld would.
Haha yes it is. Just had a good little laugh there.
 
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Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe. Basically its a book for coaches and beginner/novice lifters such as myself. Sure, I could of read through countless threads and gotten the opinion from everyother ******* out there on the internet. Call me old fashioned but I bought a book from a seasoned gym owner, coach and power lifiting champion. What is the difference from going to your local gym and getting a personal trainer? I'm in Iraq you douchebag. I'm 27 and before 6 weeks ago I never performed this lift in my life. Hence, the purchase of aforementioned book. This broke down the movement to where a child could comprehend and that is exactly what I needed to keep proper form from the beginning to the end of the movement. ****, 185lbs isnt even heavy but its heavy for me. I'm working out to get myself fit and in shape not to get huge nor brag about this and that. Continue to hate it strokes my ego.

Press has nothing to do with clean and jerk. If you knew what you were talking about you wouldnt of put the two together. Press is all shoulder and chest because you drive the bar over your head with your arms. Jerk is when you dip below the bar and drive up with your legs once you lock your arms.

The clean and jerk is more for speed then it is for strength building. You have to be fast when you are driving up and dipping below the barbell. Old fashioned but it is still an Olympic lifting event. Apparently, its good for something.

Barbell workouts are the best for strength building. Probably will not get you ripped because all you have to do to get ripped is have 5% body fat.
First of all, I was just ******* with you, but I guess if you have to buy a book that breaks things down so easy that children can comprehend it, then I guess you wouldnt be able to pick up on a little teasing on the internet. If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that doing the military press can help you with your clean and jerk when bringing the bar over your head in cases where you dont drop far enough to just get under the bar and lock your elbows. You'll learn that when you go to lock your elbows and hyper extend them, or dislocate them. Hell, I pray that you just drop the bar on your ******* neck and you suffocate. I played football all 4 years in high school, and I was on the weight lifting team, so I know just a tiny bit about lifting. Dipshit.

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I think half of weight training is learning how to properly lift the weight. I'd rather read a short book about the science and technique of lifting than go blindly into a gym and possibly hurt myself or be doing activity that isn't helping.
No way. Really? Its all about technique? I knew I suggested for him to practice his form with just the bar for some reason, but you've just confirmed it for me. I thought about it afterwards, and I was second guessing myself because I know it must be hard for some novice lifters to bring a 45 pound bar over their head.

You're a ******* idiot. Go get a camera, and a gun, and film your own suicide so I can watch it over and over again between fits of laughter.
 
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Dude, seriously clean the sand out of your vag. I don't know if you read sarcasm or an attitude into my post but I don't think any less of you for having a different opinion. When I say that "I think" MY opinion follows, not a belittling of your point of view. So come on man, don't take **** on the Internet so damn seriously and wish death onto people. I will think less of you and your opinion for that kind of stuff, it just doesn't strengthen your argument.

Practicing lifting with just the bar, in my opinion, would be much different than lifting with it loaded. Of course you can go through the motions, but nearly 200 lbs is going to handle very differently than a 45 lb bar. Plus I'd look like and *** going into the gym and lifting just the bar. Learning the science, theory, purpose, and proper technique of a lift is important to me, maybe not to everyone.

I hope you take the above as constructive critisism and productive, purposeful argument for the sake of discussing good exercise.
 
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So come on man, don't take **** on the Internet so damn seriously and wish death onto people.
I lol'd pretty hard after reading this
 
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First of all, I was just ******* with you, but I guess if you have to buy a book that breaks things down so easy that children can comprehend it, then I guess you wouldnt be able to pick up on a little teasing on the internet. If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that doing the military press can help you with your clean and jerk when bringing the bar over your head in cases where you dont drop far enough to just get under the bar and lock your elbows. You'll learn that when you go to lock your elbows and hyper extend them, or dislocate them. Hell, I pray that you just drop the bar on your ******* neck and you suffocate. I played football all 4 years in high school, and I was on the weight lifting team, so I know just a tiny bit about lifting. Dipshit.
Thanks. I saw no sarcasm in your post at all, heh. Way to give advice to just lift the bar and throw it over your head. There is a little more to it than that. But of course you knew this already. You were, after all, on a weight lifting team in high school.
 
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Dude, seriously clean the sand out of your vag. I don't know if you read sarcasm or an attitude into my post but I don't think any less of you for having a different opinion. When I say that "I think" MY opinion follows, not a belittling of your point of view. So come on man, don't take **** on the Internet so damn seriously and wish death onto people. I will think less of you and your opinion for that kind of stuff, it just doesn't strengthen your argument.

Practicing lifting with just the bar, in my opinion, would be much different than lifting with it loaded. Of course you can go through the motions, but nearly 200 lbs is going to handle very differently than a 45 lb bar. Plus I'd look like and *** going into the gym and lifting just the bar. Learning the science, theory, purpose, and proper technique of a lift is important to me, maybe not to everyone.

I hope you take the above as constructive critisism and productive, purposeful argument for the sake of discussing good exercise.
Looks like I replied to the wrong quote and poster, here, but what ever. Goes for anyone on this forum who cant just shut their ******** mouths, figuratively speaking.

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Thanks. I saw no sarcasm in your post at all, heh. Way to give advice to just lift the bar and throw it over your head. There is a little more to it than that. But of course you knew this already. You were, after all, on a weight lifting team in high school.
Then yeah....I guess you do have the comprehension level of a child. You're serving our country? Makes sense. Im 100% positive that in your "Weight lifting for kids, and the mildly retarded" book more than likely mentions something about using either the bar alone, or a considerably light amount of weight (like 10 or 20lb plates on each side) to practice your form. Im also going to assume that, according to you, an obvious expert at sports, or weight lifting or whatever, believe that high school, college, or just lifting as a hobby, is totally different than olympic lifting? Yeah sure, the weight is different, but the techniques and form arent. Any personal trainer will tell you what I told you, but nah, you know what you're doing so I guess I should have never stated my opinion that is based off of experience, and not just blowing **** out of my *** with info I got from google like the coolest members of MB.com. Seriously...is there an award for that? Cause you guys sure do deserve it.
 
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Trying to get a bit cut so I can CC comfortably and just to be healthy again. Been on a moderate diet for 4 weeks and exercise about 2 times a week (this changes tomorrow), At 207 from 216 now. Probably want to get back to 190 with adequate muscle mass.

One new thing I'm doing is that I have a buddy who trains people and the military MMA fighting, he does all of that **** that the cool kids are into now, and can actually probably kill anyone with his bare hands. Just doing striking and boxing stuff right now, going to get into kicking soon. And doing a lot of stretching/yoga (read:gay), because apparently I am not very flexible. They're pretty good workouts, and somewhat useful since I will be able to hurt people if I have to. Haha.
 

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Then yeah....I guess you do have the comprehension level of a child. You're serving our country? Makes sense.
I appreciate your patriotism.

Im 100% positive that in your "Weight lifting for kids, and the mildly retarded" book more than likely mentions something about using either the bar alone, or a considerably light amount of weight (like 10 or 20lb plates on each side) to practice your form.

Again. If you never done the lift before how can you practice it without knowing you are doing it right. Not everyone is a natural wonder and just gets 'it'. **** google for looking up any of this stuff. All the information is convoluted with horseshit from crossfit followers.

Im also going to assume that, according to you, an obvious expert at sports, or weight lifting or whatever, believe that high school, college, or just lifting as a hobby, is totally different than olympic lifting? Yeah sure, the weight is different, but the techniques and form arent. .
You introduced new information here. Never once did I say or imply I was an expert at sports. Who said that lifting weights was different than the Olympics? You called the lift old fashioned and stupid, obviously, your own opinion and I respect that. I just said its still an Olympic lift event.

Any personal trainer will tell you what I told you, but nah, you know what you're doing so I guess I should have never stated my opinion that is based off of experience, and not just blowing **** out of my *** with info I got from google like the coolest members of MB.com.
Acutally, you posted nothing useful. All you said was lift the bar alone without weight to magically figure out the proper form on your own without instruction. Then you said it wasnt worth your time and two other lifts are good enough. All of that led me to believe you were being negative about the whole thing. But its because I have the reading comprehension level of a child. I also couldnt tell if you were being a smartass when you say it must be satisfying to lift such and such weight. <Sarcasm>Remember, you posted up some great things in the motorcycle thread <Sarcasm>. Your reputation on this board precedes itself now.
 
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If you aren't lifting right you arent building the right muscle (like the idiots who lean back with their curls and dig their elbow into their sides to impress), but with lifts like the jerk and other olympic lifts not knowing how can really **** you up, i did something called a "can-can" and really messed my shoulder up because I went straight to weight and did a wrong motion.

Speaking of letting a bar fall on your face, our QB did that last week! It was fun to see him walk into the trainers room full of blood with everyone laughing
 
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Originally Posted by PColav6
Trying to get a bit cut so I can CC comfortably and just to be healthy again. Been on a moderate diet for 4 weeks and exercise about 2 times a week (this changes tomorrow), At 207 from 216 now. Probably want to get back to 190 with adequate muscle mass.

One new thing I'm doing is that I have a buddy who trains people and the military MMA fighting, he does all of that **** that the cool kids are into now, and can actually probably kill anyone with his bare hands. Just doing striking and boxing stuff right now, going to get into kicking soon. And doing a lot of stretching/yoga (read:gay), because apparently I am not very flexible. They're pretty good workouts, and somewhat useful since I will be able to hurt people if I have to. Haha.
Does CC = Cross Country (running)? You're a big guy to be running cross county, IMO from the kind of skinny stick folkz you normally see running CC. Good on ya if that's what you mean. I wish I could run.

Anyone ever taken OxyElite Pro? My girlfriend has a friend that hangs out with us a lot, she is a really big on exercise, but a silly ditzy girl also. She tries all kinds of stuff from nutrition stores and stuff. She has taken all kinds of diet pills and vitamins. (She's not fat at all, you'd all probably go for her. I sure don't mind her comming over and lying around the house.) It go me to thinking about trying something like OxyElite Pro (OEP) or Hydroxycut. I did a little bit of research on a few and it seemed like OEP had be best ratio of positive vs negative comments. The girlfriend bought me a bottle yesterday afternoon on Amazon and got here this morning (damn fast shipping). I took on pill and that **** will give you ADHD or something. I went on my 15 mile bike ride and about 30 minutes in I just wanted to go faster and farther. I can tell it is giving me an energy boost. I will probably go lift some weights here in a little while if I get some time.
 
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Originally Posted by stanger00
Acutally, you posted nothing useful. All you said was lift the bar alone without weight to magically figure out the proper form on your own without instruction. Then you said it wasnt worth your time and two other lifts are good enough. All of that led me to believe you were being negative about the whole thing. But its because I have the reading comprehension level of a child. I also couldnt tell if you were being a smartass when you say it must be satisfying to lift such and such weight. <Sarcasm>Remember, you posted up some great things in the motorcycle thread <Sarcasm>. Your reputation on this board precedes itself now.
Lol..you think I give a **** about what some little fuckboy on the internet thinks about me? Cause I totally do <sarcasm>. Idiot.
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 01FR500
Does CC = Cross Country (running)? You're a big guy to be running cross county, IMO from the kind of skinny stick folkz you normally see running CC. Good on ya if that's what you mean. I wish I could run.

Anyone ever taken OxyElite Pro? My girlfriend has a friend that hangs out with us a lot, she is a really big on exercise, but a silly ditzy girl also. She tries all kinds of stuff from nutrition stores and stuff. She has taken all kinds of diet pills and vitamins. (She's not fat at all, you'd all probably go for her. I sure don't mind her comming over and lying around the house.) It go me to thinking about trying something like OxyElite Pro (OEP) or Hydroxycut. I did a little bit of research on a few and it seemed like OEP had be best ratio of positive vs negative comments. The girlfriend bought me a bottle yesterday afternoon on Amazon and got here this morning (damn fast shipping). I took on pill and that **** will give you ADHD or something. I went on my 15 mile bike ride and about 30 minutes in I just wanted to go faster and farther. I can tell it is giving me an energy boost. I will probably go lift some weights here in a little while if I get some time.
I know nothing about them. Other than they put your body in overdrive to burn fat. Kind of fun watching my co-workers hopped up on thermogenics. But their like 50, 230+ and too lazy to excercise.
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:39 PM
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Lol no, concealed carry. I ******* hate running, I can do 1.5 miles but over that is just the suck.
 


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