Gun Gurus get in here!! Need help!
Well within the next month or so I want to buy my first gun and want everyones opinon on whats a good beginner handgun. I want something cheap and good. I know those dont go hand in hand together but so far these are what I found. I'm leaning to a 40 cal.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/47923 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/19800 |
I'm not much of a gun guru, but if you want something fun to shoot then I'd get a .40
9mm are good too. Fun to shoot if you go to a pistol range often. I'm a rifle person myself, but i understand those can't be used in most places. Out here we just live in a "dead-zone" lol. Only problem with a .40 would be the cost of rounds, definitely not the most expensive but its pretty expensive to get around here. |
I personally would go .45. Prices arent too bad for ammunition. Good sized bullet, and if im not mistaken its what police carry. But I havent checked the prices of .45 handguns in awhile, so that may get you.
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i like the pt 840
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Glock. Used to hate them, now I love them. You want ultimate reliability... AKA Glock.
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I'm leaning to the Pt 840....what does ammo go for?
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Originally Posted by mustangV6_04
(Post 464319)
I'm leaning to the Pt 840....what does ammo go for?
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Range time and home defense. Maybe down the road get concealed for shits and giggles.
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This also brings up another debate. Cobra brakes vs. Gun. I'm leaning towards gun.
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If you're a noob why are you running to a semi-auto? I would highly recommend you learn trigger control and sight picture with a revolver, especially one that's flexible like a .38/.357mag. Besides, you don't have to rack the slide on a wheelgun if you get a failure to fire, you just pull the trigger again. In revolvers, Ruger GP100, S&W 686, and Taurus Tracker all shine. The ruger is extremely strong. The smith is really silky, the taurus is feature rich and light.
Get a semi-auto when you know why you want one. Now if you're actually already there and you're more experienced than I'm going to give you credit for right now, then Glock and S&W99/Walther P99 are pretty impressive guns. However they're not cheap and they're not going to do anything that a Ruger P944 won't do for 2/3 the price. .40 is a good caliber but you could consider 9mm as well since there are more guns and ammo is cheaper and easier to find normally. We won't even get into the retarded debate over 9mm vs. .40. Bullets well delivered are bullets well delivered. If I were to equip a private army (especially a conscript army) then I'd choose ruger pistols. They're beyond tough and pretty easy to deal with as far as maintaining. EDIT: BTW, either of those Taurus semi-auto's would be a great choice. I prefer the 24/7 since it's striker fired and less snag prone. |
I have shot quite a few handguns but I have never owned one. I have shot my friends .38 numerous times idk remember what kind but his dad gave it to him for free so I always used it and he used his 9mm s&w but idk what model it was but it just felt cheap and uncomfortable. A coworker has a Taurus millinea pro .45 and I like it a lot but prefer a medium to large frame. But I am a newb to everything like cleaning and maintenance, cost of ammo. All I know is how to basically reload lol I'm just basically looking to get into a hobby with a few friends to make trips to the range more often with out using someone elses gun.
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You can learn to field strip any semi-auto. Dont worry about that part. Cleaning is easy as well on most. Get a gun you like...and feel like you can shoot well. 9mm sounds like the best option for what you want to do with the gun.
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I think you should go with a 9mm, they have less recoil than a .40 in most cases and ammo is a lot cheaper. If you don't have much experience disassembling and cleaning a gun you can always ask the supplier, or look it up on youtube.
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If you want a good all around gun find a .357 magnum that you like.
Wheel guns are great for home defense. If it's loaded you point and shoot and the bad guys get new holes (large ones) .357 magnum ammo is a reasonable price but a .357 will shoot .38 ammo which is cheap |
You can always find an indoor shooting range or something that rents guns so you can go in a try a few out to see what you are comfortable with. The one around here only charges like $20 for the gun rental and not much more for lane time. You do have to buy the ammo, but that's no big deal.
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Originally Posted by mustangV6_04
(Post 464330)
I have shot quite a few handguns but I have never owned one. I have shot my friends .38 numerous times idk remember what kind but his dad gave it to him for free so I always used it and he used his 9mm s&w but idk what model it was but it just felt cheap and uncomfortable. A coworker has a Taurus millinea pro .45 and I like it a lot but prefer a medium to large frame. But I am a newb to everything like cleaning and maintenance, cost of ammo. All I know is how to basically reload lol I'm just basically looking to get into a hobby with a few friends to make trips to the range more often with out using someone elses gun.
Grab the .357mag, load it with .38special at the range for target practice and 125gr .357mag defense ammo for social engineering. Make sure you practice occasionally with your defense ammo. It will shoot differently than the target stuff.
Originally Posted by zigzagg321
(Post 464331)
You can learn to field strip any semi-auto. Dont worry about that part. Cleaning is easy as well on most. Get a gun you like...and feel like you can shoot well. 9mm sounds like the best option for what you want to do with the gun.
Originally Posted by 99MustangGT
(Post 464336)
I think you should go with a 9mm, they have less recoil than a .40 in most cases and ammo is a lot cheaper. If you don't have much experience disassembling and cleaning a gun you can always ask the supplier, or look it up on youtube.
Originally Posted by Lazerred6
(Post 464337)
If you want a good all around gun find a .357 magnum that you like.
Wheel guns are great for home defense. If it's loaded you point and shoot and the bad guys get new holes (large ones) .357 magnum ammo is a reasonable price but a .357 will shoot .38 ammo which is cheap
Originally Posted by 00blkstanggt
(Post 464359)
You can always find an indoor shooting range or something that rents guns so you can go in a try a few out to see what you are comfortable with. The one around here only charges like $20 for the gun rental and not much more for lane time. You do have to buy the ammo, but that's no big deal.
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
(Post 464363)
See. Cheap, easy, efficient, capable and I'm not the only one that thinks this is a good plan for your specific case.
In a concealed carry situation the time it takes to draw a longer barrel gun is significantly longer than it takes to draw a snub nose not to mention they are small enough that you could hide one just about anywhere and the range you would be using it at would be similar to a home defence situation. At the range it's always more impressive to see a guy group his shots tight with a shorter barrel than a longer barrel and if you can get to be accurate with one you can be accurate with almost anything. |
thanks red. I'll be making a trip to my range and store this weekend and see what happens.
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Good man.
On the barrel length... I prefer a 4" .357 but that's me. Less muzzle blast. |
Point of interest:
In a defence situation guns with safteys get inexperienced people killed. They pull the gun point and pull the trigger rapid fire and nothing happens. At this point the assailent fires or takes the gun by force..... game over |
Ain't that the truth. This is why I like glocks for carry guns. No safety but the trigger.
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
(Post 464367)
On the barrel length... I prefer a 4" .357 but that's me. Less muzzle blast.
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Originally Posted by Lazerred6
(Post 464368)
Point of interest:
In a defence situation guns with safteys get inexperienced people killed. They pull the gun point and pull the trigger rapid fire and nothing happens. At this point the assailent fires or takes the gun by force..... game over |
If you have lots to spend and want a gun that is about as intimidating as a tank I suggest a .44 mag
Caution: this gun may give you a sense of invincibility that is not actually real....... ..... the sense it gives that you could kill just about anything on the planet is totally normal and realistic. This gun will in fact murder almost anything. http://www.taurusfrance.com/products...urus/44ss8.jpg |
Lol a bit over kill isn't it ha. I'm on a 450ish and less budget.
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Originally Posted by mustangV6_04
(Post 464380)
I'm on a 450ish and less budget.
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.44mag is a hunting gun. Not suitable for personal defense. From experience, it doesn't matter what caliber you point at someone, the same message is delivered regardless. The aggressor will either stop or be stopped. They understand that as well from a .22lr as from a .44mag.
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
(Post 464389)
.44mag is a hunting gun. Not suitable for personal defense.
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Well I mean if someone pointed a 22 to me I'd attempt something, but if they had something larger, id think twice.
I have seen a real 50 cal DE before it was CRAZY huge and solid chrome. But I agree with red, get a revolver in .357 size,, i used to have a peacekeeper, but I got rid of it. |
attempt something... attempting running would be a helluva start hehehe
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Originally Posted by krenogin
(Post 464392)
Well I mean if someone pointed a 22 to me I'd attempt something, but if they had something larger, id think twice.
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If I could only have one pistol it would be the Glock 19. Glocks are arguably the most reliable pistol ever made. 9mm will work fine as a defensive round as lang as you use a JHP. Glocks are VERY easy to clean and maintain. Glocks will feed ANY ammo you can find. The G19 is relatively high capacity which is nice at the range and in case you get into any zombie shootouts. The G19 is compact enough to carry in the event that you get your CCW liscense. Glocks have no manual safety to worry about in a defensive situation. Did I mention that Glocks are reliable? :D Glocks are dao so you don't have to get used to two different trigger pulls on the same pistol.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13711 Glocks have no downside except they aren't a very sexy pistol. A few that I don't have personal experience with but would also make good choices would be: Smith &Wesson M&P http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/57858 Springfield Armory XD http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/57858 |
Originally Posted by whitestang04
(Post 464465)
Glocks will feed ANY ammo you can find.
Glocks and H&K pistols use "polygonal" rifling. It looks like someone dragged a hex nut through the barrel and twizzler'd it instead of traditional cut type rifling. It's lower friction and doesn't deform the bullet the same way as traditional rifling BUT because of the type of rifling, the barrels will build up metal deposits from soft jacketed (read plated) and unjacketed ammo. After a short time that will cause pressures to build up and the gun will go kaboom. I have seen this in person but was smart enough never to do it. For a long happy life never use the following in a Glock or HK pistol without an aftermarket barrel: reloads, copper plated, copper "clad" (another way to say plated), unjacketed lead, coated bullets. on coated bullets: I have seen signs of case overpressure and headspacing issues on my G21C after a few hundred rounds of Black Talons and newer rounds that use Winchester's Lubalox (teflon) coating. It appears that some of the coating would shave at the end of the chamber and it was building up. Took a few minutes with a brush to clean that out. That problem only happened with the factory glock barrel. With Lone Wolf barrels with traditional rifling it was not an issue. Glocks are otherwise a truly fine combat pistol. |
So The Federal Champion ammo I use is bad because it is copper plated lead? And my Cor-bon JHP's are bad too because they are copper coated lead?
I thought all bullets were either bare lead or copper coated or coated with something else over the lead. |
you need to understand the difference between "jacketed" and coated and plated. A jacket is a thick slab of copper they either swage or pour the lead into. It's reasonably thick and fairly hard. A plating or coating job is as thin as tissue paper and soft because of how the copper is applied.
Cor-Bon uses JACKETED bullets, so does everything in specific purpose built personal defense ammo. Usually you'll see "American Ammunition" in clear plastic blister packs that's plated but says jacketed and a host of stuff from other makers. Simply, use high quality new ammo. Don't cheap out or you get to pay the piper. |
Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
(Post 464485)
That's not totally correct and the thinking of that has led to some injuries. Let me clarify:
Glocks and H&K pistols use "polygonal" rifling. It looks like someone dragged a hex nut through the barrel and twizzler'd it instead of traditional cut type rifling. It's lower friction and doesn't deform the bullet the same way as traditional rifling BUT because of the type of rifling, the barrels will build up metal deposits from soft jacketed (read plated) and unjacketed ammo. After a short time that will cause pressures to build up and the gun will go kaboom. I have seen this in person but was smart enough never to do it. For a long happy life never use the following in a Glock or HK pistol without an aftermarket barrel: reloads, copper plated, copper "clad" (another way to say plated), unjacketed lead, coated bullets. on coated bullets: I have seen signs of case overpressure and headspacing issues on my G21C after a few hundred rounds of Black Talons and newer rounds that use Winchester's Lubalox (teflon) coating. It appears that some of the coating would shave at the end of the chamber and it was building up. Took a few minutes with a brush to clean that out. That problem only happened with the factory glock barrel. With Lone Wolf barrels with traditional rifling it was not an issue. Glocks are otherwise a truly fine combat pistol. What I meant to say is they will feed any FMJ ammo. Many auto pistols are picky on the ammo you feed them whereas Glocks rarely have any problems feeding all types of FMJ and JHP. If you whanted to shoot cheap cast lead ammo you can always swap out the barrel for one with traditional rifling for a little over $100, I don't think that is something you need to be worried about since you can get 50 round boxes of Federal 9mm for $10 at Wally World. |
W00t to that. I figured I had to ping about the rifling issue before someone got themselves hurt without knowing all the details.
And for the record, glocks will in fact feed pretty much anything short of an empty case. Watch for low power loads though... some glocks, especially .357sig models won't cycle it, they're built for full power loads. |
well after lots of thought I have decided to wait a few months to by a gun so I can truley figure out what I want. So i'm going to go with buying cobra brakes for the mustang instead and then in about 2 months find me something after im a little more educated on them.
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Originally Posted by mustangV6_04
(Post 464520)
well after lots of thought I have decided to wait a few months to by a gun so I can truley figure out what I want. So i'm going to go with buying cobra brakes for the mustang instead and then in about 2 months find me something after im a little more educated on them.
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+1 to that. I got a Ruger MKIII bull barrel coming in a few days. And I just got the G26 a month ago.
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