Meh. There could be **** about that planet that we dont know...I mean...if it is of any significance we wont know... not for a while atleast.

There are always cover ups, ect, Roswell, Area 51, and it continues.

I think the possibility of life on mars is still there, why couldnt it be possible for them to live underground? Why is the rule set that "in order for something to live it needs oxygen" I mean..we restrict ourselves quite a bit with that. We say that because it is what we know to be true for this planet.

Things adapt, and I can't say a scientist is right on anything really until theres a human there. Theres alot of things about this world, and others that are unexplained, and unknown, we cannot set restrictions on everything because "this is what we know to be fact"

As for the rock..or whatever you want to call it, i think its just a funny lookin rock.

 

glad someone asked...personally...i dont think that something living would be strolling across that landscape....i actually believe that if something up there is still alive...its underground...theres a series of tunnel like structures that kind of look like they may be for that purpose....look dudes...lets say we have a nuclear war here on earth...the resulting nuclear winter would knock out sunlight with the cloud...all life would vanish...if that were to happen...earth would become a wasteland...building would eventually collapse...water would dry up....erosion would knock out most signs of life...except for maybe ...you guessed it...manmade wonders like mount rushmore..pyramids...some strong buildings and probably some statues....sound familiar? do i think its alive? no...i think its a sign that something was alive there...i think when we find life on mars...if we find life on mars...it'll be somewhere in the tunnel structure that they found....or maybe this sturucture is windformed too? lol

 

Sometimes I think people just want to believe stuff because we want to.

Do I think there could have been life on Mars? I guess so. But these pics to me are really no different then faces in clouds.

I accept what "could be" and it is fun to believe that we are not alone, but until I see proof, then I can only speculate.

It is funny though how two people can see the same thing and come to different conclusions. One person might see man and think this is proof of God. Another, might see Man and think this is proof we came from space. In the end, both could be right.

The Earth is a very old place and so is Mars. There is no telling what happened millions of years ago or what will happen millions of years from now.

Ever see the movie "Time Machine"?

 

pfft ever read the book? lol

 

Actually no, but the movie is really cool.

 

omg guys look!




I think this grilled cheese with the virgin mary is a sign from god. and if you don't think so you're just afraid. I mean c'mon the evidence is there, it looks EXACTLY like her, there is NO WAY that it's just a coincidence.

 

lochness monster, faces in clouds, grilled cheese pictures...lol...to equate that with actual structures found on mars is ridiculous....i'm not saying that if you dont believe in something youre afraid...thats dumb...then someone brings up the lochness monster...lol...no i'm not saying if you dont believe in the lochness monster you must be afraid...what i'm saying is if i bring the lochness monster in front of you and you close your eyes and start chanting "its not here" "its not here" "its not in front of me", then i see a bit of fear....and thats what we have here...because noone except some of you guys here think those tunnels are a result of nature...thats why nasa scrapped exploring the much closer moon in favor of mars...we KNOW somethings there...and no amount of chanting is gonna make it go away...we have entered a new time...and i'm excited to see where it leads us

 

so mods how do we get this poll up?....hell well over 600 people are lookin in on this...heres the question for my thread



do you believe the objects discovered on mars were made by an intelligent lifeform?
yes
no

 

You must be like the smartest guy in the world then if you know 100% what is natural on mars, considering even the rocket scientists don't know what actually is natural on mars. It's an entirely different planet with different gravity and atmosphere. You can't just assume that things that don't occur naturally on earth can't happen naturally on mars.

 

I'd laugh if we had a martian invasion and in the midst of chaos for some reason we all went online to check out the mustang forums and there was a post by Street Racer saying "I Told You So. Muhaha"

And then we'd probably see him in the middle of NYC standing there saying "I accept you. You are my savior" and just getting f'n annihilated by a laser beam or something.


Maybe i'm the only one that would find that funny. Ignore my cruel humor.

 

streets gonna go to mars and PIIHB to prove its not a rock lol

 

ahhh yes the good ol' PIIHB routine, never fails.

 

Vaffanculo.....i swear you are one of the most dense guys...how many times do i have to say i dont know 100% on anything?...thats why i'm wondering but i'm open to possibilities...do you even read anything before you write...jeez...the only ones claiming to know 100% what it is is you idiotas that swear its a rock...try reading what i'm saying

 

i'm sending them straight at you with another **** probe after they finish with jack..... MARS FOREVER!!!! ACK ACK...ACK ACK ACK

 

Sending some mixed messages there are we?

 

this reminds me of the movie "mission to mars"

 

not at all....only takes a tiny bit of comprehension....saying that our nasa knows something is there and saying that i dont know 100% is clear enough...thats why I am wondering...thats the basis of this discussion...think a little bit...only people swearing anything is you and yours fella


here i'll explain it again if you are especially thick...its like when the giants are playin football.... I might say, "WE are going to win the superbowl"....in the same breath I might say, "i am not that great a football player"...is that a mixed message? lol...

 

There are 2 basic opinions of thought on this topic.

1 there could be life or was life on mars

2 there was and is not life on mars

Street you are telling people to open their eyes and see the facts because they share a different opinion about an uncertain topic than you

1 has some pictures and speculation

2 has test results form mars landers saying no life could be detected, the fact mars has no atmosphere and no magnetic field to protect from solar radiation.

If 1 is right 2 is blind
If 2 is right 1 is gullible
End of story

 

Oh and since no life has been detected on mars then the theory that no life exists on mars still holds (does not mean it's true) according the the scientific method this means that until you can conclusivlly disprove our theory your hypothesis does not hold. This means that if they find anything that is or was alive on mars you are right and your hypothesis becomes a fact and we all eat our words. And from what I see of earth if there was life on mars there will be fossils or somthing somewhere. But until someone finds somthing the pictures don't mean anything at all.

 

thats a cute speech but who had test results from the mars lander saying no life could be detected? lets be truthful.


1. i came with pictures from mars...i linked websites like www.mufon.com www.enterprisemission.com ... i had actual scientists statements....
where did they show proof from the mars lander that no life exists on mars? because last time i checked, nasa was excited about the findings of ice and what appeared to be microbes...thats why they are spending a billion plus to try and gather some...where were you reading that a mars lander made the report that no life can be on mars? lol...i've said repeatedly that i dont know but evidence would suggest some fantastic things...

2. my opponents in this discussion have shown pics of kooks with foil on their heads and the extent of their scientific argument is "if you believe in life on mars you are quacky"...you call that a convincing argument??? lmao...

i researched my side...i looked things up...i didnt just show pics of clouds and talk about dragons and lil tutu wearin fairies (*cough* codiddy *cough*)...i deal in probable cause...and theres probable cause to believe something is up there...they made a laughable argument against it

 

Wikipedia

 

WIKIPEDIA????? are you for real? wikipedia is made by guys like us...i could make an entry right now saying life exists there lol



here...now let biff and the boys find something even remotely close...lol



How strong is the case for artificiality at Cydonia? Refer to these links when debating the Artificiality Hypothesis
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After reviewing the links on this page, it may be difficult for even the staunchest skeptic to maintain that "there is no evidence" for artificiality at Cydonia. At the very least, a reasonable scientist will conclude that NASA's official position on the "face" and other features there is woefully inadequate. At most, the impartial observer might conclude that NASA's position vis-a-vis Cydonia is downright disingenuous...a gross failure of proper scientific process.

The following links represent the best available evidence for the Artificiality Hypothesis. Bookmark this page for simple, immediate access to the wide variety of scientific research available on the possibility of artificiality at Cydonia.

The Society for Planetary SETI Research (SPSR) Web Site - Various authors - Summary: Scientific papers on the artificiality question
The Unmasking of Middle Butte - Lan Fleming, engineer, NASA contractor - Summary: Discussion of NASA's invalid comparison of the Face with an alleged analogue on Earth
What the Mars Global Surveyor MOLA Reveals about the Mars Face (and what it reveals about JPL) - Lan Fleming, engineer, NASA contractor - Summary: Discussion of NASA's inappropriate use of laser altimetry data to "disprove" artificiality hypothesis
The Mars Face at High Resolution: Possible Evidence of Porous Structure and an Artificial Substrate - Lan Fleming, engineer, NASA contractor - Summary: Discussion of 2001 Cydonia high resolution "face" image acquisition prompted by FACETS reimaging request
Decade-Old Hominid-Lion Prediction Confirmed by 2001 Face Image? - Richard C. Hoagland, former science advisor to Walter Cronkite, director of The Enterprise Mission - Summary: Photographic interpretation showing predicted leonine characteristics of the "face on Mars"
Preliminary Analysis of 2001 April 8 Cydonia Face Image - Dr. Tom Van Flandern, former director of the Celestial Mechanics branch of the U.S. Naval Observatory - Summary: Preliminary analysis of FACETS-prompted reimagery of the "face on Mars"
Proof that the Cydonia Face on Mars is Artificial, and New Evidence of Artificiality at Cydonia on Mars - Dr. Tom Van Flandern, former director of the Celestial Mechanics branch of the U.S. Naval Observatory - Summary: Updated survey of the evidence for artificiality at Cydonia
The MGS Face Image in a Different Light, Lan Fleming, engineer, NASA contractor - Summary: Discussion of Cydonia high resolution "face" enhancement (see above article)
How To Make A Catbox, Lan Fleming, engineer, NASA contractor - Summary: discussion of likely fraudulent nature of the 1998 NASA "face" image
Analysis of Global Surveyor Imagery of the Face on Mars, Dr. Mark Carlotto, formerly of The Analytical Sciences Corporation (TASC) - Summary: image restoration and enhancement, fine detail features of the "face" add support to Artificiality Hypothesis
Evidence in Support of the Hypothesis that Certain Objects on Mars are Artificial in Origin, Dr. Mark Carlotto, formerly of The Analytical Sciences Corporation (TASC) - Summary: overview of anomalous character of several Cydonian features, extensive discussion of non-fractal nature of "face" and other features
Digital Imagery Analysis of Unusual Martian Surface Features, Dr. Mark Carlotto, originally published in peer reviewed journal Applied Optics - Summary: 3-D analysis of "face"
Analysis of Unusual Martian Surface Features: Enigmatic Geology or Archaeological Ruins?, Dr. Mark Carlotto, formerly of The Analytical Sciences Corporation (TASC), presented to the American Geophysical Union - Summary: overview of Cydonia features, emphasis on nearly perfect symmetry of the "face"
Mound Configurations on the Martian Cydonia Plain, Dr. Horace Crater (University of Tennessee Space Institute) and Stanley V. McDaniel (Professor Emeritus, Sonoma St. Univ.) - Summary: shows Cydonia "mound" arrangement statistically unlikely to be random
The "Message of Cydonia": First Communication from an Extraterrestrial Civilization? Richard C. Hoagland, former science advisor to Walter Cronkite, and the Defense Mapping Agency's Erol O. Torun - Summary: possible geometric symbolism and reference to geophysical processes in arrangement of Cydonia landforms
The D&M Pyramid of Mars, Erol O. Torun, formerly of the Defense Mapping Agency - Summary: "D&M Pyramid" embodies unique geometry unlikely to occur by chance
Examining the Cydonia Region of Mars, Dr. Tom Van Flandern, former director of the Celestial Mechanics branch of the U.S. Naval Observatory - Summary: Analysis and comparison of Mars Global Surveyor and Viking images of Cydonia
New Evidence of Artificiality on Mars, Dr. Tom Van Flandern, former director of the Celestial Mechanics branch of the U.S. Naval Observatory - Summary: "face" passes eight tests of artificiality
Evaluation of the "Eye" and "Mouth" features of the Face Mesa, Lan Fleming, Engineer, Johnson Space Flight Center - Summary: key features on the "face" are probably not caused by "tricks of light and shadow," as originally supposed by NASA.
Newly Discovered Anomaly From Orbit 1: Unexplained "Tracks" Found South of Face, Stanley V. McDaniel, Professor Emeritus, Sonoma St. Univ., with input from geologist Harry Moore - Summary: parallel "tracks" and high albedo "mounds" defy prosaic geologic explanation.

 

Once again Life is life stone is stone if they find life or the fossils of life I will believe until then please don't get the two confused.

My head is not in the ground yours is just in the clouds

 

lol...i didnt think you would bother to read...lol...ok ace...my head is in the clouds...but its in good company...i'm there with

Lan Fleming, engineer, NASA contractor
Richard C. Hoagland, former science advisor to Walter Cronkite, director of The Enterprise Mission
Dr. Tom Van Flandern, former director of the Celestial Mechanics branch of the U.S. Naval Observatory
Dr. Mark Carlotto, formerly of The Analytical Sciences Corporation
Dr. Horace Crater (University of Tennessee Space Institute)
Stanley V. McDaniel (Professor Emeritus, Sonoma St. Univ.)
Erol O. Torun, formerly of the Defense Mapping Agency
geologist Harry Moore

i could go on and on...those are just some of the people who are studying what they call "the city of cydonia" that was discovered on mars...my head is in good company up in the clouds...better that than in the sand like yours...who ya gonna quote next? ronald mcdonald or daffy duck? lol ...look at you now... stunata

 

I did read it and I gave my criterion for believeing and all those great minds can't give it to me and neither can you would you like to know why......... It's because as of right now it does not exist.
You can keep trying but until they go there and find any type of organism or fossil of one I will say Wow cool rocks look at this one it looks like someone built a bridge but I know it's just a natural formation.

And if you say it was made by water and there is no water on mars look up mars polar Ice cap... Its there it's just frozen

and yes water can mean life but again until they find it I won't believe.

 

oh and the above is a total lie...i've been telling people to open their eyes to possibilities...i dont know what is fact or not....the only people claiming facts is the people saying

IT IS A ROCK...

i've been saying

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE

 

yes sir and the grand canyon looks pretty too...lol...lets show some more nice pictures of natural rock formations...cause when you have no argument...thats all you can do...try backing pictures with research like i do...oh and please read before you try and tell people your version of what i said...i acknowledged water on mars way back bro...i never disputed it

 

I don't have to make an argument I'm not trying to prove anything I'm just saying that until someone does prove somthing I don't have to believe it.

The difference here is you are looking at the data wanting to believe something is there.

I'm looking at the data from the point of view that I don't care either way and I want to antagonize you a little cause i'm bored.

Neither of us is being objective so the argument is really pointless.

Trust me if there is proof that life is or was there (ie fossils or bacteria) we are going to find it. If not I sure people will keep looking. I am in no way closed to the idea of life on other planets.... someone just has to actually find it first.

And for me to believe that someone built this "city" on mars they are going to have to find somthing a little bigger than bacteria.

This is my opinion that's all

 

trust me...you arent antagonizin me...but you are making me laugh...and for that i'm grateful...it just amazes me that
1. you dont bother to read anything before you talk....i'm talking about a city on mars that appears to contain monuments...pyramids and statues...you are asking for something larger than a bacteria??? genius...a pyramid visible from orbit is a bit larger than a bacteria...lol
2. i keep askin people to be objective...you keep insisting that people DONT be objective...lol...do you know what objective means?
3. you dont know what opinion means either...an opinion is what i'm giving based on facts...what you are doin is swearing that its just a rock...


but one thing is certain...you admit you are only in the discussion to "antagonize"...thats cool...at least you admit you know nothing...you researched nothing, and dont even know what the discussion is truly about but just wanna flap your lip anyway...have fun....asino...lol

 

Just cause I'm in this thing for fun does not mean I'm not making valid points.

FYI I did read what you posted and I see the pictures and I've read about Cydonia for years. This is not a new topic to me.

If you read between the lines when I ask for somthing that is bigger than bacteria I mean somthing that is or was alive that could build them. No somthing big that may or may not be a city.

genius an imaginary city and "pyrimid" (mountain) visible from space is still not alive nor was it ever

I understand that the statistics of this place are unfavorable but I also took a statistics class and on the first day the prof. said the only thing you need to know about statistics is that they can say whatever you want them to say so take it all with a grain of salt.