That was a great post r3dn3ck. I totally see what you mean and it makes a lot of sense. As for what you said too about them using so much oil. I've heard people say that China is one of the reasons the oil prices are so high. WHat I've heard is because of all the crap that China makes with plastics they are causing a HUGE demand for oil. From what I've read the US uses the most but China is right behind us. I've heard others say that China uses more... I'm not sure which is right. Either way though they're using a rediculous amount. Also I'm sure China does nothing to control pollution from these factories. The whole planet's environment suffers from their sweatshops. Man China just sucks. lol...

china uses more oil by-products than anyone including the US but they refine very little oil and use less gasoline than we do. In the next few years as their burgeoning middle class comes online wanting things and cars and happiness they're going to surpass the US oil consumption by leaps and bounds.

They have zero pollution controls in place and they are known to pollute MASSIVE tracts of land and waterways as a matter of convenience. Fortunately most of the actual plastics used throughout the world are produced in pelletized form here in the US and in Canada and Mexico. It's a fairly clean and easy process to turn certain hydrocarbons and by-products into plastics so making them here assures the US of a slice of the shitty-chinese-made-toy pie. We sell them the plastic (money stays in the US, plastic leaves) they make crap out of plastic (money stays in China, plastic stays), they sell horrid crap here (money leaves the US, plastic returns).

Anyone but me see the long term costs of such a system? Anyone that's a student of California history knows this kind of economic Ponzi scheme can only end 1 way. With us pulling the maufacturing back on-shore.

Interesting stuff. But I bet someone on here is a big fan of this guy. CITGO GAS---CHECK THIS OUT!


>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just last
>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled to
>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following was
>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>majority of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is
>best of friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that
>he was friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
>a 'donkey'.
>
>
> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you
>read ...
>
>
> NEWS FLASH:
>
> Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin .
> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle
>factory in
> Venezuela , to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups
>throughout
> the Americas .
>
> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela
>for him.
> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez
>has
> Iranian built LONG RANGE missiles , with a variety of warhead
>types aimed
> at: Guess Who?
>
> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS
>due to
> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity
>of
> ownership by Chavez of Venezuela.
>
>
> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will
>be used against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will
>start wars here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions
>of free people.
>
>
> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss
>of revenue from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move
>that everyone should be aware of.
>
> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN
>DUE TO U.S.
> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO
>CHANGE
> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>
> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO! EXPRESS " EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS
>ALSO 100% OWNED BY "CHAVEZ."
>
> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>
> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS
>PASSED ON TO EVERYONE YOUR YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND
>OUTSIDE OF AMERICA

Agreed with what most have said

punishing chavez is a goal we should all shoot for. he's fuggin with our hobby directly and only adding instability to the world oil market. someone needs to put a bullet in his head.

No more Citgo for me.

been telling everyone i know to avoid citgo like the plague, I will have to add petro express to that