I run a LS1 pontiac yesterday and lost by about three cars. He pulled over and we talked for a sec. It was an automatic. He said it had a chip, cold air, flowmaster, blah, blah, bs, bs, bs. I had a 96 six speed trans am and I have to admit that chevy nailed it for fast "off the show room floor" car. I didn't ask the kid to pop the hood for obvious reasons. First, I wouldn't! But most important, his car spoke more truth than he did. Baby seat in the back, stock front tires, nitto drag radials in the rear, need I say more.





OH YEAH, that tell tell little puff of smoke out the exhaust. He never mentioned that in his mod list. I've been beat by some fast cars and that's no problem. It comes with racing. But don't come across like you changed the air filter and oil and geez my car gained 75-100 hp.




To the point, I know why it's called laughing gas now. You laugh when you win and if you lose, just reroute the hose to your mouth and open the bottle. The parts are on order and there will be a post soon.



Cobras hold down the fort, there is back up in the red headed step child known as the GT.

 

What? Are you trying to say he had nitrous?

 

LmAO what would make you say that? yes CCM he had nitrous, that is pretty gay though, i mean he beat you...and then to be a dick made it sound like he beat you by all that with a stock car...

 

As I said, no I'll put it like this. Bank plus web plus UPS equals SOMEBODYS AZZ! r3dn3ck I'm going to the dark side.

 

What have you done to your car?

 

In the interest of the post. I got 373's under the back which will soon come out. High flow custom intake with relocated mass air. 75mm throttle and intake that has been personaly polished and spaced. Custom Diablo tune. M&M upper and lower control arms. Saleen springs, strut tower, cobra 13's up front, and k member upgrades not replacement. Coming soon. Rolling on cobra size Kumho tires. BTW maybe not "the best" but great all around tire and great traction. The rest is between me, close freinds, and the big guy upstairs.

 

my freind has a 2001 LS1 trans am that had a full second in the quarter mile on me. at the time my GT was running 13.5's in the quarter and he would hit 12.5-12.7 all the time on street tires. those LS1's are no joke all he put on the car was long tubes catless 3 inch y pipe, 3 inch borla exhaust and a slp snorkle. 3 car lentghs seems about right.

 

As I said, during the time, chevy put a great platform out there. My LT1 with a centerforce six speed was very strong. I liked it so much I put it in my 95 s-10. I know different post on a different site. Point is, the smoke, doesn't happen for no reason. 3 cars in less than an eighth, not stock, by no means.

 

Okay maybe I'm missing something here. You have a few very minor bolt on's that you will list and you think he's spraying to only beat you by 3 car lengths?
A polished stock plenum is worth almost nothing, relocating your mass air and a custom air intake most likely cost you power and 3.73's are worth 2 tenths in the quarter. You are lucky he did not beat you by more. Unless you have a bottle or some other major source of additional power a stone stock LS1 will eat you up and crap you out. LS1's with just sticky tires and a couple of bolt on's run mid 12's. Your list of mod's will net you a high 13 at best on street tires.
Fill me in on what I'm missing here.

 

I agree some what. Remember that I had an LT1 and will not talk bad about them. Further more it is believed that the LS1 is the dominate setup. In some respects this is true. But I eat LS1's all day long with my LT1. That's neither here nor there now, I've done this stuff for long enough to know what to watch for. My plenum is not stock, it is a 75mm. And for loss of power, the meter reads just before it takes a right turn through a full 4 inch diameter seamless pipe. No I don't tell all and why should I.

 

Why not tell? I have no idea why you would not disclose your mod's. I have a polished stock plemun and it was worth almost nothing. An aftermarket plenum and a 75mm TB will gain you about nothing but a little trap speed. I know because I have run 300 passes with my car and keep logs of every one of them. I correct every run and can tell you a plenum and TB are worth about 7 hp.
Why is the Ls1 driver a jerk for saying he only had exhaust when you don't want to dislose your mod's? I don't understand the original post, if you both have minor bolt on's why would you expect to stay with a well driven LS1? You either are spraying or using forced induction and don't want to tell or expecting more from your car than it's capable of delivering.

 

An 8.2, who's smoking crack dude. Let's see, by your info provided. 4.30's, 3500, valve body, steeda U/P, drag struts, subframe, steeda puleys equal zero HP. Stay with me now. Plenum/TB is 7 hp,right. Headers, 5-7 at best. FWI stock manifolds are good for 450 hp to the rear, garonteed. SCT tune, good for about 10-15 maybe 20. The average GT rolled out with 230-240 to the rear tires. You got 251. Let's add this up, Even with the parts on the high side and your car being in the top percent, you're missing 12hp give or take. So who are you to question me or my car.

 

those are only dyno numbers. besides its a auto with 4.30's that has to account for a 20-22 percent drive train loss. anyways its still a 250 hp car pulling 12's and your whining because a LS1 killed you your having acceptance issues. accepting the fact that you have a slow car.

 

I dont get what you are crying about here...
:helpsmili

 

I get the point. No crying though. Thanks for the slap.:bash:

 

I am questioning why you are surprised to have lost by 3 lengths to an LS1 with your stated mod's. That is all, I don't follow your thread. You seem to think the LS1 driver was spraying. All I am stating is with the mod's you listed he would not need to spray to beat you by 3 lengths. I know because I spent my first 1-1/2 seasons racing my GT as cannon fodder for LS1's. They would line up to blow me away, those are fast cars right from the showroom. I had 3.73's and a few bolt on's and they just kicked sand in my face. Now I can beat a few of them, but only if they are not heavily modded. At least I stay a little closer now.
As to my hp as close as I can figure my long tubes added 20 rwhp and 20 ft lbs. of torque.
I dyno'd 243/272 with 3.73's and X pipe w/cats
then 232/251 with 4.30's and same x pipe (stock manifolds)
then 251/292 with 4.30's and long tubes w/o cats
It's hard to figure since the three trips to the dyno were a few months apart and weather and other factors can play into it.
I figure that if my car was a manual I would be putting down more like 260-265 rwhp. As to my tune I have run my car on three seperate outings with the stock tune vs. the SCT on back to back hot lap runs to test it out.
Every time I ran 13.60's on the stock tune and 13.0's on the SCT tune. I feel this is partially due to the auto tranny and the improved shift points and fast lock up of the convertor. At any rate I am still puzzled by your original post, if you just explain it a little better maybe I will get it although I am a little slow.

 

When I took my Stang to the track, Camaros were eating me up!!!! So the LS1's are very fast cars!!!!! Our GT's are not that fast Stock.....We have to build them up in order for them to even run low 13's......

 

My first trip down the 1320 in my GT was a blistering 14.6 at 95 mph.
It took quite a while just to break 13.99, I thought that was great until a stock LS1 ran a 13.20 and dusted my *** but good. Then I had to buy more junk. I still need to buy more junk.

 

Bragg, true, I already said that. Blue, you just supported a different post I was in. Gears don't make HP. The headers did. Hence your posted numbers. Still your mods don't support the numbers. Think the ones you guys run were stock? That was the point. Start at the top and read down. So Blue, IF I raced you , this is my take. Your car is loud, it shifts great, and you can jump the start. Problem is, all I have to do is deal with you til about 60-70. You don't have the horse power to support the gear. Ever feel that point when your car is flat on acceleration. Blue? You got the horse, being a mustang, but you don't have the power. The post wasn't to argue. No feelings were hurt during the tape of this post.

 

Actually the 4.30's are perfect for a weak *** car like mine. I go thru the traps at 6000 rpm. By the way my car is not loud at all.
Dyno numbers really don't tell the whole story since different dyno's give you different numbers. I can't tell you why my car makes 251/292 with an automatic and the 4.30's. To be honest some of my fellow racers call it "the freak". I know several guy's with the basic same mod's that only put down 235 hp. I bought it new so I know it was unmolested ( not for long, I swapped gears a week after buying it)
I do know I was careful setting it up to run well on low power. It is my daily driver and has to be reliable. It cut's good 60's for an auto 1.75-1.80's, it is tuned very well ( I drove 13 hours round trip to insure it was) and it is geared perfect for the set up. What really surprises me is that it traps as high as it does, I have not figured that one out yet but it did not trap any better than 103 prior to the tune. As far as supporting you in another post why wouldn't I? I don't come here to argue, I just did not understand your original post and still don't. By the way my car blows out puffs of smoke sometines when it shifts and I am not juicing. I think it might be excessive moisture.

 

My stang runs out of gas around the 70mph mark. I have stock gears and it runs out of steam......I wonder when I get the 4:10s is it gonna be worse???? Or better???? I think I'm pushing maybe 220hp/260tq to the Rear Wheels........I have yet to Dyno her so I'm just guessing....

 

If I put a "R" sticker on her doesn't that add like 50HP???? :clap:

 

I have found that these cars need lots of gear if they are n/a. My car would just flat out quit at the 1,000 ' with 3.73's. With the 4.30's I pull right up to the traps. 4.10's should be perfect for a manual car. These wussy slush boxes need a little extra kick in the pants to get off the line.

 

Same here, she got to start and go every monday-friday. Maybe this will clear your thoughts. I ran him twice in a 1/2 mile. The road drops like a bowl both ways. He pulled me 3 in about 60 ft. I've helped build and seen more times than some, that breif puff of blue smoke, is gas.

 

I am going to put on 4:10's then go with a 100hp shot of Nitrous.......I might go with the Stage II cams, X pipe Catted.....with a X Cal Tune to get the shift points down....I want to hit between 12.5/12.7 with that........Wish me luck.........

 

I bet it is cause my car backfires and shoots out wicked flames at night when I let up after trapping. Must be a little rich even though the a/f is 13.0 across the board.

 

Not to alarm you but if you spray a NX 100 shot you will need a roll cage with those mod's cause you will go faster than 11.50, lol. JayC goes 11.55 with 4.10's exhaust and a 100 shot with stock cams and heads. His is the fastest lightly modded car I know of. I did beat him when he ran n/a but to be fair I tree'd his *** and he missed a shift but still a win is a win and beggars can't be choosers.

 

11's!!!!!!! that would freaking ROCK!!!!!!!!!! forget the rollcage, i'll just buy some more bottles!!!!!!!!! So your saying that If I spray her with a 100hp shot, and put 4:10's i'll hit 11's???????? say it isn't so, cuz regardless of what my wife says, i'm getting that **** put on my car next week!!!!! forget about food, who needs it!!!!!!!!

 

4.10's, sticky tires and a NX 100 shot = 11's. That's my plan later this year, 3.90's a 100 shot and kill some Chevy's and Cobra's. I gotta go 12.50's n/a first though so it will be a while. My buddy in Jersey went 11.20's on a NX 100 shot with VT stages 2's and 4.10's (he did blow up his motor not too long after)

One of my son's friends races with me at Gateway, he has 3.90's, exhaust and a NX 100 shot and runs 12.00's- 12.2's with a crap tune.

 

Hey, how old are you??? I'm 33 years old and my wife tells me i'm acting like a kid doing all this stuff to my car!!!! I tell her i'm hitting my mid life crisis!!!!!! all I want to do is run low 12's when I hit her with a 100hp shot!!!!! So you just made my day!!! I have a question for you, can you really feel the difference with 4:10 gears?? I used to have 3:55 gears in my truck then I went up to 4:10 gears, I can feel the dif but I don't think it was worth it....My truck is a V6 auto with to many mods to list.....Lets just say I spent alot of money on it to only run 15's...........The truck does weigh about 4500lbs but that is another story.......So I just want to know if it is a mod that you really feel, or is it a mod that everyone does just to do and say they have 4:10 gears?????