Ohhh nooo..... SRT-4 > GT500 - Page 2

MattJ · 10-10-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Netou

Dont get me wrong.....the gt500 is freakin sweet and like i said, i would take it over the srt anytime.....

for what the srt is worth and the cost to mod it and rebuild the motor....its a great car to have for a daily driver....you can get a used srt for 12,000 and put 10,000 in the motor and a new big turbo and u'll have a 400+hp daily driver that can beat 50,000+ gt500

still i would take the gt500 any day

oh i got plenty of more videos of srt-4 beating modded cobras/vipers/corvettes that i can post up also...

buy a mustang gt and put 10,000 in the motor and you have a 600 hp daily driver that can beat any neon it encounters.

Heres Chicagoland Mustangs VS Chicagoland SRT Neons
http://www.chicagolandmustang.com/shootout2video.html

StangGT804 · 10-10-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WaterDR

Race from a roll = new school

Race from a stop = old school

Fact is, when I was a kid, you went out at raced from stop lights, but it is hard to do these days with the cops. Rolling racs are more stealth-like.

Also, when you drive a boosted car, especially one with LOTS of boots with little displacement, you really put yourself in the best poissible situation when racing from a roll.

Take a stock GT and an SRT-4. The GT will beat the SRT out of the hole, but at 75 miles per hour, the boost takes over. The two cars are about the same in the 1/4 mile, but the SRT-4 traps at a higher speed, so what does that tell you?

Now that I drive a boosted GT, I guess I have the best of both worlds - LOL

PUT very well!! i agree with all of what you said! im OLD SCHOOL till the end!!

YoshiBluedevil · 10-11-2006, 07:10 AM

i cant get the video to work, but i understand what happened.

I have one question though, why are so many people in love with a 4000 lb crap car? I was excited when a 500hp cobra was announced, until they weighed it...

In MM&FF's October issue, first of all, the Roush Stage 3 got its @$$ handed to it by a stock z51 corvette.

In car and driver or automobile mag or something, they tested a Shelby vs a STOCK corvette 6.0L, not the z06... a base corvette. yes, calling it "base" doesnt mean anything, its still awesome, but still... the corvette tested better then the gt500 all over the place. another place i read that the gt500 isnt any faster in the quarter then the previous terminator. THATS SAD! I drove a terminator for about 3 months, and loved it, and thought that a 500hp car would have no problems with the car that used to be the best on the road.

Dollar for dollar, if you are going to buy a shelby, at $20,000 markup mind you (i called and asked my local store, and they were asking 65k for all orders), then why dont you just buy a corvette for speed, and a civic for a back seat (or a used srt-4). I have to say, that although a 500hp car draws people in ... a car with 110 more hp then its previous model, that runs the same time, is unimpressive to say the least. IM NOT TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL POWER, ETC. AFTER MODING, IM STICKING TO STOCK vs. STOCK.

btw there is a neon who works at my dealers shop (yes i work at Chevrolet, but i love my mustang and always will) that runs a 12.8 at 108 on BFG's. its mostly stock, with maybe an upgraded turbo. SRT-4's are just as potent as any turbo car (eclipse, talon, evo, sti, 240sx, etc).

Basically, I am ashamed with Ford for taking the ford gt motor (basically, or the cobra R with a SC), dropping it in a mustang, making it look throwback, and calling it a shelby. its stupid and embarrasing. not to mention that they have no affiliation with SVT (since its closed down) ... except that the gauges say SVT on them... Its really a shit car that anyone could build for the same price or less, and its embarrassing what people will pay for a car that isnt any faster then its previous model, which can be found for about what they will pay in markup alone!

I bet that my car would keep with a gt500 without any problem... and thats why i love my mustang and the 5.0 ... but a mustang, with a ford gt motor, with SHELBY slapped on it, is just stupid...

Shambles · 10-11-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YoshiBluedevil

Basically, I am ashamed with Ford for taking the ford gt motor (basically, or the cobra R with a SC), dropping it in a mustang, making it look throwback, and calling it a shelby. its stupid and embarrasing. not to mention that they have no affiliation with SVT (since its closed down) ... except that the gauges say SVT on them... Its really a shit car that anyone could build for the same price or less, and its embarrassing what people will pay for a car that isnt any faster then its previous model, which can be found for about what they will pay in markup alone!

SVT isnt shut down. Its still up and running. There is talk of a new Lightning coming out very soon, and its not going to be the Sport Track Adreneline. SVT is the one who built and designed the car w/ Shelby. The engineers at Ford's normal Mustang design had nothing to do with this car. In fact, SVT is all over the car, and the blue oval, suprisingly, is nowhere to be seen on the exterior of the car. The only place that it is is under the hood if im not mistaken.

Ford GT motor uses a different Supercharger (Twin Screw) instead of the Shelby's supercharger (Roots), so dont get your blocks and power adders mixed up. There is a LOT of differences between the two blocks as well. The cams are different for starters.

YoshiBluedevil · 10-11-2006, 12:54 PM

ok, yes i got the twin screw and roots confused. and yes the blocks are slightly different, and the cams are different, blah blah blah. my point is, it doesnt take a genious to drop a 5.4L DOHC supercharged motor into a s197 and do no weight reduction.

as far as SVT, they dont seem to showcase any cars on their site (www.svt.ford.com) except for the shelby gt500 on the main page... again ... its a SHELBY GT500, with SVT stuff in it (powered by SVT).

basically, the point i am getting at is this. the z06 is a more powerful car, and its a lot lighter the the 'base' corvette. the corvete ss concept will be more powerful then the Z06, and WEIGH LESS. again, dropping a bigger more powerful motor, and adding 300-400 pounds to a car doesnt take a genious, and it is quite embarassing, for SVT or shelby...whomever the car was REALLY made by.

i make 400 hp at the wheels with about 450 rwtq N/A, and i have no doubt that i would AT LEAST match a gt500 because my car is 600 pounds lighter! THATS PATHETIC! 600 pounds is 0.6 seocnds in the quarter, in theory. i love my car, but i am really unimpressed by the gt500, and i think that more people need to feel this way so that ford, or SVT, or Shelby, or whomever will realize that a 4000 lb "performance" car is a laughable concept that died in the 60s...

if you think im wrong, please tell me... i would love to be wrong

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Originally Posted by Shambles

SVT isnt shut down. Its still up and running. There is talk of a new Lightning coming out very soon, and its not going to be the Sport Track Adreneline. SVT is the one who built and designed the car w/ Shelby. The engineers at Ford's normal Mustang design had nothing to do with this car. In fact, SVT is all over the car, and the blue oval, suprisingly, is nowhere to be seen on the exterior of the car. The only place that it is is under the hood if im not mistaken.

Ford GT motor uses a different Supercharger (Twin Screw) instead of the Shelby's supercharger (Roots), so dont get your blocks and power adders mixed up. There is a LOT of differences between the two blocks as well. The cams are different for starters.

Netou · 10-11-2006, 01:07 PM

nononononono no

this is an srt bash .... not a cobra comparison ....

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh nevermind...

Shambles · 10-11-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YoshiBluedevil

ok, yes i got the twin screw and roots confused. and yes the blocks are slightly different, and the cams are different, blah blah blah. my point is, it doesnt take a genious to drop a 5.4L DOHC supercharged motor into a s197 and do no weight reduction.

as far as SVT, they dont seem to showcase any cars on their site (www.svt.ford.com) except for the shelby gt500 on the main page... again ... its a SHELBY GT500, with SVT stuff in it (powered by SVT).

basically, the point i am getting at is this. the z06 is a more powerful car, and its a lot lighter the the 'base' corvette. the corvete ss concept will be more powerful then the Z06, and WEIGH LESS. again, dropping a bigger more powerful motor, and adding 300-400 pounds to a car doesnt take a genious, and it is quite embarassing, for SVT or shelby...whomever the car was REALLY made by.

i make 400 hp at the wheels with about 450 rwtq N/A, and i have no doubt that i would AT LEAST match a gt500 because my car is 600 pounds lighter! THATS PATHETIC! 600 pounds is 0.6 seocnds in the quarter, in theory. i love my car, but i am really unimpressed by the gt500, and i think that more people need to feel this way so that ford, or SVT, or Shelby, or whomever will realize that a 4000 lb "performance" car is a laughable concept that died in the 60s...

if you think im wrong, please tell me... i would love to be wrong

Could mean that there is a KR version in the works.

YoshiBluedevil · 10-11-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Netou

nononononono no

this is an srt bash .... not a cobra comparison ....

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh nevermind...

Neons suck, thats why they aren't made any more! They are the puke of Dodge!

There, are ya happy? lol

WaterDR · 10-11-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shambles

Until you decide to powerwash your engine bay again....

Go F yourself Shambles!

WaterDR · 10-11-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spike_africa

Its more like this:

Roll racing: I cant drive well enough to launch my car.
racing from a dig: I know how to drive.

Well, that's true too.

WaterDR · 10-11-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Netou

Dont get me wrong.....the gt500 is freakin sweet and like i said, i would take it over the srt anytime.....

for what the srt is worth and the cost to mod it and rebuild the motor....its a great car to have for a daily driver....you can get a used srt for 12,000 and put 10,000 in the motor and a new big turbo and u'll have a 400+hp daily driver that can beat 50,000+ gt500

still i would take the gt500 any day

oh i got plenty of more videos of srt-4 beating modded cobras/vipers/corvettes that i can post up also...

Well, you have a point....an 11 second SRT would certainly lay a whooping on a lot of cars, thing is though, you can spend $3,000 on a stock Mustang GT and make that much power...all you need is a blower.

Not to mention, that for $10,000, the sky is the limit. Rememebr, there is no replacement for displacement...except for boost - LOL.

Let's not get confused, you can make any car fast, and almost anycar seriously fast. It is not that hard. Just because a Cavaliar can be made faster then a Vette, only means that you can make a Cavaliar faster then a Vette. Speed means shit....unless of course you are racing, then it means everything.

WaterDR · 10-11-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by YoshiBluedevil

i cant get the video to work, but i understand what happened.

I have one question though, why are so many people in love with a 4000 lb crap car? I was excited when a 500hp cobra was announced, until they weighed it...

In MM&FF's October issue, first of all, the Roush Stage 3 got its @$$ handed to it by a stock z51 corvette.

In car and driver or automobile mag or something, they tested a Shelby vs a STOCK corvette 6.0L, not the z06... a base corvette. yes, calling it "base" doesnt mean anything, its still awesome, but still... the corvette tested better then the gt500 all over the place. another place i read that the gt500 isnt any faster in the quarter then the previous terminator. THATS SAD! I drove a terminator for about 3 months, and loved it, and thought that a 500hp car would have no problems with the car that used to be the best on the road.

Dollar for dollar, if you are going to buy a shelby, at $20,000 markup mind you (i called and asked my local store, and they were asking 65k for all orders), then why dont you just buy a corvette for speed, and a civic for a back seat (or a used srt-4). I have to say, that although a 500hp car draws people in ... a car with 110 more hp then its previous model, that runs the same time, is unimpressive to say the least. IM NOT TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL POWER, ETC. AFTER MODING, IM STICKING TO STOCK vs. STOCK.

btw there is a neon who works at my dealers shop (yes i work at Chevrolet, but i love my mustang and always will) that runs a 12.8 at 108 on BFG's. its mostly stock, with maybe an upgraded turbo. SRT-4's are just as potent as any turbo car (eclipse, talon, evo, sti, 240sx, etc).

Basically, I am ashamed with Ford for taking the ford gt motor (basically, or the cobra R with a SC), dropping it in a mustang, making it look throwback, and calling it a shelby. its stupid and embarrasing. not to mention that they have no affiliation with SVT (since its closed down) ... except that the gauges say SVT on them... Its really a shit car that anyone could build for the same price or less, and its embarrassing what people will pay for a car that isnt any faster then its previous model, which can be found for about what they will pay in markup alone!

I bet that my car would keep with a gt500 without any problem... and thats why i love my mustang and the 5.0 ... but a mustang, with a ford gt motor, with SHELBY slapped on it, is just stupid...

I applaud Fod for reviving the Shelby...and they left loads of power on the table. Limiting this car to 500hp was done merely for insurance puposes. Call you local insurance company and compare rates on a Vette to a GT500....it might be surprising.

The car is heavy...too heavy for sure. Seems like they went cheap by not using an alum block too and it added a lot of weight to the car.

But, to be fair, this car is nealry as fast as the fastest stock Vette, a lot less costly (once the dealers stop hosing people) and you can haul four adults in it.

But, if you ask me, Chevy ended up dumping the Camarao/Firebird twins because they got too heavy, too big and too pricey. Sound familiar....Let's hope Ford learned from Chevy.

CCM · 10-11-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WaterDR

The car is heavy...too heavy for sure. Seems like they went cheap by not using an alum block too and it added a lot of weight to the car.

I think they didn't use an aluminum block to keep some distance between the Shelby and the Ford GT.

And also think of it this way, if Ford made the GT500 perfect in its first year, there would be little room for improvement, so they'd run out of buyers in future years. This way, they can make subtle revisions each year and make more money.

MattJ · 10-11-2006, 09:23 PM

The shelby engine is very similar to the ford GT and uses quite a few of the same parts. The Shelby is a VERY underestimated car and people cry about the weight. The cars are already in the 10s with bolt ons so figure out what a supercharger swap is going to be capable of. Ford went through with this car with its fans in mind. They knew a good percentage of people who bought this car are going to be looking into the aftermarket community to make it faster and thats why they tried to make it harder for a pulley swap (which didnt work BTW) and went from IRS back to live axle, among other things. Give this car another 6 months and youll start to see people running around with 650rwhp with 800 bucks in bolt ons.

I mean, comeon, look what the cold air intake and tune did for the GT500. Its 70 RWHP. Yes, 70 rwhp. The car has a tune comparable to a childs go-cart with a governer. The GT500 is going to be an insane car that people are underestimating. Its only been out for a couple months. Look at what the 03-04 cobras are doing. It comes with a baseline 390 flywheel rating and 500 rwhp is only a bolton and roots port and polish jobs away.

The mustang wont be what the corvette is. Its more among a supercar status with the z06. I bet a lot of you people dont know that an integral part of the corvettes structure is balsa wood. Its lightweight, flexible and can take a decent amount of load for what it is. The z06s front end is carbon fiber which makes it substantially lighter than the base model vette that is completly composite. Yeah, the body cracks, not bends. Pushrods are capable of more NA power than modular motors but dont react as well to boost as a modular motor does. Thats why the vette is packed with a 7 litre, and not a 5.4 litre mod engine with a twin screw..

jeredan2003 · 10-12-2006, 08:29 AM

neons are highway queens. They absolutely suck from a dig.

04DarkShadowGT · 10-13-2006, 12:34 PM

I would own an SRT-4, they are neat cars imo. I wouldnt trade my mustang for one, but they handle descent, have good power, are cheap to buy, take mods well, look descent for a 4 door, and did I mention are cheap to buy.

Whats not to like really. The SRT-4 is kinda like an SVT focus except it has balls.

Netou · 10-13-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT

I would own an SRT-4, they are neat cars imo. I wouldnt trade my mustang for one, but they handle descent, have good power, are cheap to buy, take mods well, look descent for a 4 door, and did I mention are cheap to buy.

Whats not to like really. The SRT-4 is kinda like an SVT focus except it has balls.

i think i love you....

Shambles · 10-13-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WaterDR

Go F yourself Shambles!

I call it as I see it

.

Ghostalker · 10-13-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT

I would own an SRT-4, they are neat cars imo. I wouldnt trade my mustang for one, but they handle descent, have good power, are cheap to buy, take mods well, look descent for a 4 door, and did I mention are cheap to buy.

Whats not to like really. The SRT-4 is kinda like an SVT focus except it has balls.

and the srt-4 caliber is supposed to be even faster. And even more odd looking.
I just think the neon looks like it is trying too hard, like no one over the age of 25 should have one lol. I am 18 and think they are a bit flashy lol, but I am obviousely young enough to pull it off. We dont want to see lance driving oen around. Whereas anyone, regardless of age, could look good driving the gt500 =D

10-11-2006, 07:10 AM	#33 (permalink)
YoshiBluedevil Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 138	I love mustangs but... i cant get the video to work, but i understand what happened. I have one question though, why are so many people in love with a 4000 lb crap car? I was excited when a 500hp cobra was announced, until they weighed it... In MM&FF's October issue, first of all, the Roush Stage 3 got its @$$ handed to it by a stock z51 corvette. In car and driver or automobile mag or something, they tested a Shelby vs a STOCK corvette 6.0L, not the z06... a base corvette. yes, calling it "base" doesnt mean anything, its still awesome, but still... the corvette tested better then the gt500 all over the place. another place i read that the gt500 isnt any faster in the quarter then the previous terminator. THATS SAD! I drove a terminator for about 3 months, and loved it, and thought that a 500hp car would have no problems with the car that used to be the best on the road. Dollar for dollar, if you are going to buy a shelby, at $20,000 markup mind you (i called and asked my local store, and they were asking 65k for all orders), then why dont you just buy a corvette for speed, and a civic for a back seat (or a used srt-4). I have to say, that although a 500hp car draws people in ... a car with 110 more hp then its previous model, that runs the same time, is unimpressive to say the least. IM NOT TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL POWER, ETC. AFTER MODING, IM STICKING TO STOCK vs. STOCK. btw there is a neon who works at my dealers shop (yes i work at Chevrolet, but i love my mustang and always will) that runs a 12.8 at 108 on BFG's. its mostly stock, with maybe an upgraded turbo. SRT-4's are just as potent as any turbo car (eclipse, talon, evo, sti, 240sx, etc). Basically, I am ashamed with Ford for taking the ford gt motor (basically, or the cobra R with a SC), dropping it in a mustang, making it look throwback, and calling it a shelby. its stupid and embarrasing. not to mention that they have no affiliation with SVT (since its closed down) ... except that the gauges say SVT on them... Its really a shit car that anyone could build for the same price or less, and its embarrassing what people will pay for a car that isnt any faster then its previous model, which can be found for about what they will pay in markup alone! I bet that my car would keep with a gt500 without any problem... and thats why i love my mustang and the 5.0 ... but a mustang, with a ford gt motor, with SHELBY slapped on it, is just stupid... __________________ 342, AFR185s, TKO500, TFS2 cam, 1.7 Rockers, 30# inj, 75mm TB, 77mm Pro-M, twEECer R/T, Typhoon Upper, tmoss ported lower, 3/8" Spacer, Magnaflow Exhaust w/ Bassani Catted-X and BBK UnEq Shorties, 3.73's, MSD 6AL, FRPP 9mm wires, 200A alt, U/L CA's, Eibach/UPR springs, Koni Yellow Adj Shocks, Bilstien Struts, ZOOM clutch, 94 cobra cluster, 94 export tail lights, 5 gauges, and more (too much to list)

10-11-2006, 09:23 PM	#44 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	The shelby engine is very similar to the ford GT and uses quite a few of the same parts. The Shelby is a VERY underestimated car and people cry about the weight. The cars are already in the 10s with bolt ons so figure out what a supercharger swap is going to be capable of. Ford went through with this car with its fans in mind. They knew a good percentage of people who bought this car are going to be looking into the aftermarket community to make it faster and thats why they tried to make it harder for a pulley swap (which didnt work BTW) and went from IRS back to live axle, among other things. Give this car another 6 months and youll start to see people running around with 650rwhp with 800 bucks in bolt ons. I mean, comeon, look what the cold air intake and tune did for the GT500. Its 70 RWHP. Yes, 70 rwhp. The car has a tune comparable to a childs go-cart with a governer. The GT500 is going to be an insane car that people are underestimating. Its only been out for a couple months. Look at what the 03-04 cobras are doing. It comes with a baseline 390 flywheel rating and 500 rwhp is only a bolton and roots port and polish jobs away. The mustang wont be what the corvette is. Its more among a supercar status with the z06. I bet a lot of you people dont know that an integral part of the corvettes structure is balsa wood. Its lightweight, flexible and can take a decent amount of load for what it is. The z06s front end is carbon fiber which makes it substantially lighter than the base model vette that is completly composite. Yeah, the body cracks, not bends. Pushrods are capable of more NA power than modular motors but dont react as well to boost as a modular motor does. Thats why the vette is packed with a 7 litre, and not a 5.4 litre mod engine with a twin screw.. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

10-12-2006, 08:29 AM	#45 (permalink)
jeredan2003 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 1,788	neons are highway queens. They absolutely suck from a dig. __________________ 2003 DSG GT 5-speed Hellion 62mm and Flowmaster catback..... My bonestock 2v engine had been through 2 years of NX 100 shot, 3 years running 8-12lbs vortech s-trim, got into boost daily while racing on the weekends, had 157,000 miles on it, and was running like new

10-13-2006, 12:34 PM	#46 (permalink)
04DarkShadowGT Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ft Wayne, IN Posts: 1,093	I would own an SRT-4, they are neat cars imo. I wouldnt trade my mustang for one, but they handle descent, have good power, are cheap to buy, take mods well, look descent for a 4 door, and did I mention are cheap to buy. Whats not to like really. The SRT-4 is kinda like an SVT focus except it has balls. __________________

10-11-2006, 01:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
Netou Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 30	nononononono no this is an srt bash .... not a cobra comparison .... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh nevermind...