New Member with questions
 

Hello, I know there are so many people out there asking the same question but I would like to get some answer for me in a single place.

Exhaust: I have done nothing to my car except dress up items and I want to put dual exhaust on. I want to get a really good sound and not have to do any heavy mods.

What do you guys think?

What do you consider heavy mods?

First, we need to know what you consider heavy mods like Cuban asked. Next we need to know what kind of budget you have for this car. Also everyone has there own personaly preferance on exhaust sound so you should find some clips and listen to them and see what you like. Me personally I have maganflows and love the way they sound on my car.

Heavy mods: I don't want to have to cut into my rear bumper, I don't want who ever puts it on to make anything non reversable if I don't like it, I don't want to lose any hp.

Budget: Just give me some ideas and I can save up if needed.

I just have the take-off GT dual exhaust.... but that was already on the car when I bought it. :pepper:

Ok then well might as well get a y-pipe cat-back system from mac or flowmaster I guess. Deffinitly not thr route I would/ have gone but whatever ;)

What about the converter and then the GT exhaust? What does that involve?

All you need is a different mid-pipe and then any GT Cat Back exhaust. Total investment is about $700. Any idiot who has a lift could do the work in less then 2 hours.....45 minutes if they were prepared.

you may find yourself losing low end torque if you go with duals...which may make you regret spending the moola. I guess not if you just want the nice sound.

i'm not the most knowledgable person here on cars, but I have heard that from several mechanics and a friend of mine. And many of the guys in here have told me that, too.

You will lose some low end torque but as you progress through more mods the dual exhaust will help more than hurt

how so?

which mods are enhanced by dual exhaust, and why?

I mean, if you lose low end torque, you lose low end torque. You're not going to get it back unless you add something that gives you more, thereby defeating the purpose of the duals in the first place. I mean if I start with "X" and then take away X (because of duals) but then spend more money to get X back, I just spent a ton of money to get back to my original power. I have a nice look and sound, but...I just dont get it.

So, how do duals help? In the higher RPM range or something?

Someone may say, "well if you get nitrous who cares you'll have plenty of power" which is true but still, why lose the power when you don't have to?

The exhaust isn't just venting gasses, it's also helping to bring in the intake charge during valve overlap. A little back pressure in the exhaust (read restriction) helps that process and helps you to build more torque and hp. Too wide open and you lose that scavenging effect and you're left with what you had before in many senses. The idea is that you keep your exhaust kit inline with your engine output. You have a six, so stock 2.25" GT pipes which are restrictive for a GT are just right for you and will support any power you can push from your six banger. Larger 2.5 and 3" pipes are way too big for your car and are too big for some GT's.

Sound: X pipes sound raspier. H-pipes sound thumpier. To make more pop in an H pipe, shrink the crossover tube a tad. True duals with no balance pipe sound blatty and poppy like a redneck pickup with homemade exhaust. Flows or mac mufflers will build your six's sound up a tad too, glass packs like Magnaflow and Borla are nice but quiet for a 6 if you want a good idle rumble. Leave the cats on it'll sound like sh!t without them till you have some big power coming out.

Every mod that makes more power needs more exhaust capacity.

:censored: :wallbash: Oh boy...I'm tired of informing people about the potential of the 3.8 but I'll do it one more time. 2.5" piping is too big for an n/a 3.8 but if you are running a power adder or some big n/a numbers 2.25 won't do it and 2.5 is needed.

That being said I will say this one more time.

YOU DON"T NEED A NEW MID PIPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

GT take-offs should be around 99-150 bucks just run straight pipes total about 300 out the door.

Lol man cuban i bet your getting half pissed.

so would you guys recommend a direct fit cat-back? like the mac here:

http://www.v6mustangstuff.com/images/TK3894.jpg

or

get an adapter for about $100 and a gt take-off?
this plus this

I know there'd be more options with the dual adapter, but it would cost more. PLUS, anyone ever hear the mac kit above or know where i could find a clip? i've searched a bit and cant find anything.

I think i might finally understand this whole exhaust dealie.

It would probably be cheaper to just get the GT takeoffs

where could I find a gt catback system for $99-150?

You should be able to find it on ebay fairly easily and low priced

Fact of the matter is V6 aint **** even as a full effort race motor. You can't change that. Don't go getting all pissed just because I gave the same advice you did. You're concentrating on heavy duty mods... the dude I'm responding to is a n00b and doing almost nothing. Withdraw the feather from your ass before it tickels the **** out of you.

You build up the mighty 3.8 as much as you want with turbo and superchargers and nitrous and a 20000 dollar bottom end and I'll still eat it with a NA 5.4L.

Finally, don't go getting your panties in a bunch because you have a v6 with a blower and you think you know for a fact that 2.5 is better than 2.25...

The extra .25" gets you about 15% more CFM from the pipe... from a supercharged application that might actually need the extra pipe, you'd have to go straight to 3" to see any benefit if 2.25 is too small. 2.5 is a useless intermediate step that makes no real value except to NA applications.

Don't go wall bashing just because you bought a V6 and feel bad about it now that you've poured in thousands and gotten exactly to bone fukkin stock GT power.

V6 stang off the lot= 18000
Blower Kit = 3500
installation and supporting mods=4000
total invested=25500

Mustang GT new off the lot= 25000

See... you could have saved all that time and money.

Don't bother being a dick and flaming me. You're wrong and I'm right.

christ dude... he's just a kid with a dream :dots:

Pick up the new mustang monthly and you will eat those words you biased gt faggot. Stay out of the v6 forums if your gonna talk a bunch of ****. I like a v8 as much as the next person, but there are a bunch of v6's out there that could bust your ass.

honostly right? ****..

I agree with 95bstallion, I like a v8 mustang but the fact of having a V6 that will eat up gt's and run next to a cobra is bad@ss and funny when they find out it's a V6 with headers/CAI/tru-duals/diablo tuned and a little shot of n20. My has a '03 GT w/ minor bolt-ons and hates the fact i bust his *** but respects the potential of a V6.

Thank you, but you guys honestly need to pick up and look at a mustang monthly tonight there is a suprise in there ;)

I'm down with the dream. And truth be told I had at one point a GNX that would do 11's. Wouldn't do much else. I respect powerful adaptations of V6 but you can't expect to make really big streetable power in one. It can be scary fast done right but it'll never be as neck snappingly fast as a nicely built 8. and 4.6 is a tic-tac upside a 5.4, I have a 4.6 (for the time being). The 5.4 is in the garage... may just swap it for a blower. Or swap it for a blower and buy another 5.4 and put the blower on it.... hmmmm..

see how it happens man.. one day you're happy as a clam with what you have and then it grabs you and starts eating all your money. Dream? No. Welcome to true poverty.

lol that last part is true for sure ::p

btw... 95b... why don't you be a little more polite and avoid the personal attacks. I don't recall slandering you anywhere in my posts. You don't have get all up people's sh!t like some immature kid... unless you think you're some kind of internet bully which I don't think you think you are, do you? hahaha

yes yes yes i know it was a little uncalled for i understand. Do you realize how much we here just buy a gt...v6's suck...Wouldnt you get mad after awhile if someone kept goin get a cobra there better your gt is a waste.

:poke:

HIT EM 95b!! HIT EM' IN THE FACE!!

a V6 on a 100 shot is pretty neck snapping....especially when a guy w/ a 5.4s/c thinks it's gonna be like any other honda he races...and suprisingly he loses to a V6 in front of his friends who laughed at him for under estimating the V6.

a v6 with any amount of nitrous isn't going to do jack upside a 5.4/sc. Sorry... but barring a full race motor you just can't stuff enough nitrous in a 6 to make the 450-800hp you're likely to see from a big blown devil like that.

If I were to buy a v6 it would almost certainly replace my gt in autocross. The GT just can't get over the weight difference up front. If you drop a turbo or twin turbo or a blower on it after that you'll have a fast car (about gt fast). I just don't go insulting 2000 Cobra R drivers when they pick on my underpowered engine or tiny (13" bear track kit) brakes at the autocross event. They are usually correct in their statements at that time.

I'm not picking on anyone here. I won't unless you really need a picking on, then you'll get a taunting. Keep that in mind.

I beg to differ....6 days ago I ran my boy's friends '03 lightning and beat it 2 times 1st from a 1st gear roll....i put 3 cars on him, and the 2nd from a stop..he got me by a car out the hole then i put the upset on him when i came by him at the end of my 2nd gear.

You are right about a 5.4 crate motor....i wouldnt do much with that.

bully ::p . well justin over at 3.8forums has a twin turboed v6 running 10's with a stock bottom end if that tells you anything and according to cuban only 6,000 in the engine. There is one other v6 that are engines are modeled very closely with a grand national and that would smack v8's.

r3dn3ck, you said you have a 13" bear track kit brakes, dont you mean BAER brake kit?

blk02 quit being a kid... grow up just a little maybe try acting 10 or so. At least I own a BAER track kit ok.. suck on that junior. And a lightning starts at about 4400lbs... it's not even the same car. Try at least containing your vigor to the argument at hand. Have you raced a v6 powered f150 too? does it fukkin matter what you race against a truck, it's still a truck. We've been talking stangs, don't go changing cars to discredit a fact you know to be the truth just because you don't like it. As soon as I'm done with the 5.4 install, I'll drive out to Virginia and we'z can race. Your street legal sickser against my street legal blown 5.4 on a legal 1/4 mile track? Cmon, back up the mouth. I'm willing to drive across the country to ridicule ya. Dont be bitchy man... I'm just here to chat and maybe find ideas for my upcoming 6er project car.

Dude Chill the **** out i'm not bad mouthing you about a Baer big brake kit...if I had $1300 i'de put the same kit on...my boy has their brake kit on all of his show cars....and everyone always messes up calling it BEAR in stead of the proper name, i'm not bad mouthing you about it.

...As for a lightning...yea it might weight 1,000lbs more but it's still a 5.4 S/c vs. my lil V6...you never said a 5.4 s/c in a stang, you put it out as a 5.4 in general.

Your challenge i will accept too and i'm not being cocky about it, i'll race anything...win or lose jus to see how i do.

good enough. Issue settled.

FYI...lightnings in stock trim run with gt's, they get smoked by mach1's and cobras. a thousand pounds is a lot of weight. If you're owning a lightning... might want to back down on the juice a little. I'd be worried about engine life unless you've built it already.

oh... and I got my brakes for 300 bucks.

Juice isnt much of an issue, it's been dyno tuned for the shot, as well as not being sprayed all the time, only when needed or if i'm unsure about a race. I've already planned on yanking the engine more than likely before the end of winter and either rebuilding it as a 4.2 hybrid or swaping in a '00 Cobra engine, not certain wich since i like haveing a 6 that beats up on v8's

I have a natural distrust of large doses of juice. Personal bias based on nothing. As far as your swap plans go, just keep in mind how much modding you want to do after you do your initial swap. if you do the cobra motor you're kinda limited in mod selection by the unfukkinbelievably high cost of 4v go-fast parts and the relatively limited selection. supercharging is only a good idea on stock bottom ends in relatively low doses. Nitrous is fun but too much and too much RPM breaks rods fast.

I'm waiting to see a moderate cost v6 put down 400rwhp/tq on a reasonable amount of boost. I think that would be a friggin rocket and a reason to look at a v6 as a build-up possibility for the masses.

Ok then...I don't know why you got so upset and felt like it was ok for you to attack me personally but ok I'll just leave that one alone. I'm only going to point out a few mistakes you have made and leave it at that good luck with all of your projects.

1. I paid 15k for my sixer brand new ;)
2. A 99+ auto 3.8 with an 11 psi procharger set-up runs in the 280rwhp range and that's stock '01 cobra area not stock GT's noob.
3. If you spend 4000 on "supporting mods" and installation you are the dumbest person EVER!!!
4. Stock lightnings should run with mach 1's all day beat most of them stock vs. stock. I know this for a fact so don't try and debate that.
5. 2.5" piping is perfect for a blown 3.8. Keeps low end torque but it's just free enough to run good hp numbers up top.
6. "I'm waiting to see a moderate cost v6 put down 400rwhp/tq on a reasonable amount of boost. I think that would be a friggin rocket and a reason to look at a v6 as a build-up possibility for the masses."
vmptuning.com=sixer in the 10's with 6k invested not including car of course.

And lastly I fully expect a responce from you that goes along the lines of your last post. You know the all too usual "You're dumb because you have a six so I'm automaticly smarter then you and know more about cars then you do even yours ha ha ha"

So go ahead and get that out of your system when you're ready to debate with my about facts and not call me a duty face like as if we were back in 1st grade you'll know where to find me :)

LOL I just went back and noticed his last sentence LOL. God if that post weren't so long I would put it in my sig LOL.

Oh and my car isn't blown; I don't know where you got that from.