I am looking to supercharge my 99 mustang GT..I was wondering what kind of supercharger is the best and what performance gains i will recieve with it. THank you for your time and Merry Christmas to all!

 

how much do you want to spend?

i would do a kenne bell 2.1l 9 psi kit.

if money is to tight to afford one of those then i would go for a vortech or a procharger.

the only advantage i see to the procharger is that it comes with a intercooler, thats it. down side to the procharger is every 5k miles you have to take that thing off to change the oil in it. you have to order that oil from procharger too. i know the same goes for a kenne bell but at least you dont have to remove it.

i went with a vortech kit and added a paxton intercooler. the car actually made too much power and the tuner had to bring it down to protect my bottom end.

there are lots of different opinions here so there should be some more insight coming soon.....

 

Moving to Power Adder forum.

 

NOT SO. Yes you have to change the oil, but you don't have to remove the unit.

 

you're right. i guess we tried to find ways to make it a less messy process.

 

With Kenne Bell you don't have to order the oil from them. You can but you don't have to. You can order the oil from other places like Summit. I think they use Redline Racing Oil in their blowers.

 

My honest opinion:

1 - Kenne Bell: Best on the market, but you pay for it. Highest priced. Makes the most amount of power down low.

2 - Procharger: The most inefficient blower on the market. IMO, terrible blower. They eliminated most of their problems a while a go, but they are still inefficient. I would not use one unless someone gave it to me (boy, is this gonna **** people off).

2 - Paxton (Novi): Best centrifical unit on the market. Makes more power then about any other blower....great for a built motor. Pricey. Will support 1000 hp at the wheels.

3 - Vortech: Best bang for the buck blower! For a street car, this is a great choice. Just be sure to get the I/C with it.

 

this is posted at modular power house

FYI: Novi, Vortech, and ATI cfm numbers

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Several people were asking me at the Dyno Day about the CFM capabilities of the ATI (specifically about the F-1 I'm interested in) and the other blowers being used on T&J customer cars. Just wanted to put this out there for peoples reference. All information came from the product websites.

CHOOSE YOUR MEDICINE......

Vortech S & SQ trim
Maximum airflow: 1,000 CFM
Maximum boost pressure: 20 PSI
Maximum impeller speed: 53,000 RPM

Vortech T-trim
Maximum airflow: 1,200 CFM
Maximum boost pressure: 26 PSI
Maximum impeller speed: 55,000 RPM

Novi 2000
Maximum airflow: 1,700 CFM
Maximum boost pressure: 27 PSI

ProCharger P-1SC
Maximum airflow: 1,200 CFM
Maximum boost pressure: 30 PSI
Maximum impeller speed: 62,000 RPM

ProCharger D-1SC
Maximum airflow: 1,400 CFM
Maximum boost pressure: 32 PSI
Maximum impeller speed: 62,000 RPM

ProCharger F-1
Maximum airflow: 1,525 CFM
Maximum boost pressure: 38 PSI
Maximum impeller speed: 70,000 RPM

ProCharger F-1R
Maximum airflow: 2,000 CFM
Maximum boost pressure: 38 PSI
Maximum impeller speed: 68,000 RPM


To me this looks like vortech has the lowest cfm ant can handle the least amount of boost

 

If money allows, KB.

On another note, you said your car was a '99? How many miles do you have racked up already?

 

02Stang...thanks for making my point! The Prochargers generate a lot of extra heat because the compressor is inefficient. They compensate by spinning it faster, but it makes more heat. This is why they only come with intercoolers.

It is not boost that makes power but efficiency. Take a look at all the Procharger numbers. They make more boost at the same air flow levels. This is because of heat. Boost is bad....not good. You want a blower that can push as much air as possible at the lowest level of boost.

Take a look at the Novi. That thing will push 1700 cfms at 27 psi while the equivalent sized Procharger pushes 1525 at 38 lbs! It is the airflow that makes power not boost. And when the Procharger is making 11 more lbs of boost while pushing less air, that SUCKS! More boost means more heat. More heat means less power and greater chance of detonation. This is why these things require a cooler...because they suck.

 

I have 45,000 miles on it is all

 

with data logging my car with the procharger the air inlet temp at cruising speed was 65-75deg when doing a gull throttle run 2nd-4th gear pulls the highest temp was 90deg. with vortech and paxton (if not using a aftercooler or intercooler) those chargers usually reach 90 to 110 deg + temps cruising and at idle.

with my procharger kit I put 393 rwhp and 401 rwtq on only 7-8 lbs of boost with exhaust mods only and charger.

It may not be as good as the novi 2000 but It cerntainly is better than the vortech and novi 1000.

And intercooling is the best way to handle any boost regardless if it is turbo or supercharged, So just because procharger uses a intercooler is not because there blowers are bad or produce so much heat it is because they are smart. In any forced induction there is alot of heat regardless, compressed air willalways produce alot of heat no matter what system it is

 

heat is a simple problem taken care of with a methenol injection kit. Personally, id run meth injection, even with an intercooler. its a cheap add-on to help detonation and heat.

 

ive done plenty of data logs and my intake temps never go above 10 degrees then the outside temp. in cold weather it works even better, but my cooler is huge for a 2 core.

no need to run a meth injection with something that works that well.

 

I know of shops that won't even install a Procharger. Ask the boys at Kauffman Motorsports. Too many blown motors and too many problems. The tuner told me "I would not install one unless they gave me the blower and the motor for free".

I am telling you, unless they changed the design, the blowers are very inefficient. While you SHOULD run a cooler on any blower you have to with the Procharger. Also, a lot of them leak and throw oil into the intake.

The numbers that were posted earlier clearly demostrate what I have been saying.

But, you always take chances with any Power Adder. No application is perfect.

Keep in mind when you look at hp numbers, you have to consider the tune and how much timing is used. Some tuners are more conservative then others and some will add more.

 

blown motors are the result of inefficient tuning. blowers do add heat and help induce detonation and alls it takes is a minute of detonation before you are throwing chunks of piston around. methenol injection is more efficient than a air to air intercooled setup and you can have a great kit for 400 bucks. its a great product thats really overlooked by a lot of people

you shouldnt be running around town with a 400hp aggressive tune on an otherwise stock engine for daily driving. thats the problem that some people create for themselves.

I wouldnt mind running ATI, vortec, kenne bell, or paxton. Each has its pros and cons. its all a matter of what you need it to do.

 

Matt, I pretty much agree with all you said and I apologize if I have been seeming hard on Procharger. I went on a rampage a few years ago against Diablo after firing them as a result of dicking up my tune and waiting 5 months for them to fix.....and they never did. Procharger has never done harm to me and any super charger can cause problems.

As to methonal, I have very mixed feelings. While the theory sounds good, and these things have shown capable numbers, I have two main issues:

1 - On a GT with a s/c and stock motor, you are already pretty much maxed-out with the amount of power the motor can safely support. Not to mention trany and the fuel system (even with a focus pump).

2 - These things make tuning more challenging. To take full advantage, you need to advance your timing, right? These means you need multiple tunes...one for methanol and one w/o (which can be done), but as soon as the thing does not work for some reason and you are one the wrong tune, the motor is done.

Perhaps there are fail-safes that I am not aware of.

On the upside, it could prove to be a great device to running up the ponies for just those moments when you need it or for driving in very hot weather.

 

methanol kits come with low fluid warning light. if someone is running a meth kit with a supercharger then a 4 way chip is the only way to do it. hand helds take too long for tunes to change. thats the only way i would do a methanol inj kit.

my car has a conservative tune for the amount of boost it makes. my max timing is 12* from what my datalogs read. my fuel pump is at 90+% with a 20 amp BAP hooked up. so my fuel system is maxed and my maf is pegging at 5300 rpms. with all that said i still have 20k miles on the vortech in my car and its 400hp even though the dyno sheet doesnt say, the flywheel rating is still 500+. i guess i have a time bomb under my hood, right?

 

My car is the same went with a sct tune instead of the diablo and timing at 12* 20amp BAP fuel pump 85+% at 5500 90mm maf and Maf extender

 

That's dirty. Prochargers are not crap. They are nice now. I love my pro, and I have a KB in my 03. So don't go there.