supercharger using nos

Stevoneo · 04-29-2005, 02:27 PM

Ok here is the question, and MT you probably know best with this one.

I am now on the rise to get a super charger. Going with vortech or procharger.

If i get the venom nitrous system, and get the supercharger down the road, will the venom system work ok with the supercharger if im using the 25 shot nozzle. if so should i maybe use the 50 shot.

and which supercharger should i get.

spike_africa · 04-30-2005, 08:01 AM

get whatever blower you like and you can use nitrous with a blower to help cool down the intake charge which gives greater power form your blower. i would runa small dry shot only. the 25hp will probibly more than enough to cool it down. i would probibly get a used dry kit maybe even zex since there easy to install and would do the trick. i see them on ebay for good prices alot.

WaterDR · 05-02-2005, 07:51 PM

Dustin nailed it!

I am nervous about using a Venom system in this manner. Remember, the Venom computer adds fuel by reading the o2 sensors while spraying. This is good enough for running a 100 or even a 150 shot, but not when you have a blower. I think you are asking the Venom computer to do something that it was not designed for. I think you would run the risk of running too lean.

If I had a blower, I would just do just like Dustin suggested if I wanted to run nitrous, or better yet, I think I would just use a methonal injection system. Propbably a lot safer too. That way you cool the air, w/o adding so much O2.

macs03GT · 05-03-2005, 12:47 AM

I was also thinking of getting the Venom-1000 system. I see everyone talking about it and i'm not to up on the nitrous, but from what i've read about it, sounds like a good investment. But down the road...i would also like to blow some money on a Kenne Bell. (when funds become avalible of course).

My question is...With a smaller shot, since it's cooling the intake charge like Spike said..what kind of HP is comming from the Nitrous itself? And what kind of additional gains are we looking at from the Blower? Oh and what's a methonal injection system? Thanks
Chris

spike_africa · 05-03-2005, 07:06 AM

like he said since it plays with the injectors i odnt knwo about usig it with a blower. a simple dry kit will do the trick plus not only will the nitrous cool the intake charge your gonna get some hp from the N2o as well.

fallstar · 05-03-2005, 08:45 AM

Superchargers and NOS work fairly well together but there are a couple things to think about. With a wet kit, you'd probably want to get a centrifugal supercharger and that intake spacer that will allow you to put the nozzle in it. This way, you can keep the fuel out of the plenum and away from the throttlebody blade (fuel can be corrosive). It's best to keep even the most atomized dropplets off of the blades of your blower so a twin screw or roots blower is not recommended with a wet kit.
With a dry kit you've got another issue. Your fuel injectors. You'll need big ones because they'll need to supply enough fuel for your engine under peak boost with nos. However, you can use this with a twin screw or centrifugal.

As far as water methonal injection, well, use common sense with this one. What happens when you spray water and alcohol onto metal surfaces? This type of system usually requires you to either remove or convert your windshield washer fluid resovoir to the methonal injection. There are additional pumps and if it gets clogged, you could run into some serious issues. I recommend you do not spray before the blades of a blower if you want your blower to last.

Another option for a moderate but safe system is the NX ntercooler system where it blows nos directly on the front mount heat exchanger making the intercooler work much much better... This works with ANY intercooled supercharger or turbo charger.

WaterDR · 05-03-2005, 11:12 AM

[quote=fallstar]
As far as water methonal injection, well, use common sense with this one. What happens when you spray water and alcohol onto metal surfaces? [quote]

I don't follow you there. Please explain.

fallstar · 05-04-2005, 09:59 AM

There can be a problem with rust/corrosion down the road.

Samsstang · 05-04-2005, 12:19 PM

Check out "Sno-performance Methanol injection" he's done his homework with this product many, many test. Ive known him for awhile, He's my neighbor and he's been running this system on his car for years doing a lot of testing His car was also supercharged "Foxed bodied Cobra" with the kit he was running high 10s @ over 5000ft above sealevel. Oh! and his car was originally set-up for roadracing cause thats what he's into! He also desings strut bars!

WaterDR · 05-04-2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallstar

There can be a problem with rust/corrosion down the road.

Interesting point, but I am not sure if this is an issue at all. Why?

1 - methanol is not corrosive and will help remove the water once in the intake.

2 - You don't always use it, so while not injecting, the water will quickly sheet out of the intake (and evaporate).

3 - I believe they advise using distilled water or similar water of high quality. This type of water is corrosive to steel (or can be) but not to aluminum.

4 - If you were to not use high-purity water, scaling and fouling of the intake tube would become a problem. You would litterly get hardness deposits on the inside of the intake. And, as the water experiences an "evaporation to dryness condition" you would get minerals such as sodium to form deposits which are impossible to remove. However, I would think that the water would sheet through the intake before it could completely evaporate anyway thus avoiding this problem.

Samsstang · 05-04-2005, 03:16 PM

also it desolves just as quick as you spray the only way you can make any type of corrosion is if it sits there! then that wouldnt be good, if its sittin or puddling.

PistolWhip · 05-06-2005, 01:30 PM

I am planning on using a 25 HP dry shot. The introduction of a 25 HP shot will not require that much more fuel when you considder the amount of fuel needed to support the Charger's added air. If your injectors are up to the task that your S/C is putting them to, they will have no problem with a 25 or even a 50 shot. The important thing with a dry shot is the tune. Make sure the car is tuned right and everything will be fine.
If you are going to go this route, you DO NOT want to inject into a T.B. spacer. Right at the end of the Chargers discharge tube is the best place for it. That way, if you have the IAT in the discharge tube, it will see the lower intake temps and allow the ECU to take advantage of it.

This is not as necissary if you are running a stock blower pulley (It will always help though). For instance, a Vortech SQ V-2 blower is designed to run with a 3.33" or 3.66" pulley depending on the presence of an after cooler or not. If you are running within that range, the blowers discharge temps should not be effected. They make serious heat when they start to get over spun.

04-29-2005, 02:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Stevoneo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 598	supercharger using nos Ok here is the question, and MT you probably know best with this one. I am now on the rise to get a super charger. Going with vortech or procharger. If i get the venom nitrous system, and get the supercharger down the road, will the venom system work ok with the supercharger if im using the 25 shot nozzle. if so should i maybe use the 50 shot. and which supercharger should i get. __________________ 2004 Mach 1 - New Baby Numbers Coming Soon 2001 Mustang GT - In Mustang Heaven 399.65 RWHP 384 Torque

04-30-2005, 08:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,413	get whatever blower you like and you can use nitrous with a blower to help cool down the intake charge which gives greater power form your blower. i would runa small dry shot only. the 25hp will probibly more than enough to cool it down. i would probibly get a used dry kit maybe even zex since there easy to install and would do the trick. i see them on ebay for good prices alot. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

05-02-2005, 07:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	Dustin nailed it! I am nervous about using a Venom system in this manner. Remember, the Venom computer adds fuel by reading the o2 sensors while spraying. This is good enough for running a 100 or even a 150 shot, but not when you have a blower. I think you are asking the Venom computer to do something that it was not designed for. I think you would run the risk of running too lean. If I had a blower, I would just do just like Dustin suggested if I wanted to run nitrous, or better yet, I think I would just use a methonal injection system. Propbably a lot safer too. That way you cool the air, w/o adding so much O2. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

05-03-2005, 07:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,413	like he said since it plays with the injectors i odnt knwo about usig it with a blower. a simple dry kit will do the trick plus not only will the nitrous cool the intake charge your gonna get some hp from the N2o as well. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

05-03-2005, 08:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
fallstar Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 111	Superchargers and NOS work fairly well together but there are a couple things to think about. With a wet kit, you'd probably want to get a centrifugal supercharger and that intake spacer that will allow you to put the nozzle in it. This way, you can keep the fuel out of the plenum and away from the throttlebody blade (fuel can be corrosive). It's best to keep even the most atomized dropplets off of the blades of your blower so a twin screw or roots blower is not recommended with a wet kit. With a dry kit you've got another issue. Your fuel injectors. You'll need big ones because they'll need to supply enough fuel for your engine under peak boost with nos. However, you can use this with a twin screw or centrifugal. As far as water methonal injection, well, use common sense with this one. What happens when you spray water and alcohol onto metal surfaces? This type of system usually requires you to either remove or convert your windshield washer fluid resovoir to the methonal injection. There are additional pumps and if it gets clogged, you could run into some serious issues. I recommend you do not spray before the blades of a blower if you want your blower to last. Another option for a moderate but safe system is the NX ntercooler system where it blows nos directly on the front mount heat exchanger making the intercooler work much much better... This works with ANY intercooled supercharger or turbo charger. __________________ '02 White GT Vert. Densecharger CAI, 90mm Lightning MAM, Accufab 75mm TB, Saleen Series IV Intercooled twin screw Supercharger, 42 ft/lb fuel injectors, Full Bassani Exhaust, Aviator pump, Tri-ax Shifter, Spec Stage 2 Clutch, Cobra Brakes

05-03-2005, 12:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
macs03GT CMAC Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 1,034	I was also thinking of getting the Venom-1000 system. I see everyone talking about it and i'm not to up on the nitrous, but from what i've read about it, sounds like a good investment. But down the road...i would also like to blow some money on a Kenne Bell. (when funds become avalible of course). My question is...With a smaller shot, since it's cooling the intake charge like Spike said..what kind of HP is comming from the Nitrous itself? And what kind of additional gains are we looking at from the Blower? Oh and what's a methonal injection system? Thanks Chris

05-03-2005, 11:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	[quote=fallstar] As far as water methonal injection, well, use common sense with this one. What happens when you spray water and alcohol onto metal surfaces? [quote] I don't follow you there. Please explain. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

05-04-2005, 09:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
fallstar Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 111	There can be a problem with rust/corrosion down the road. __________________ '02 White GT Vert. Densecharger CAI, 90mm Lightning MAM, Accufab 75mm TB, Saleen Series IV Intercooled twin screw Supercharger, 42 ft/lb fuel injectors, Full Bassani Exhaust, Aviator pump, Tri-ax Shifter, Spec Stage 2 Clutch, Cobra Brakes

05-04-2005, 12:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Samsstang Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 371	Check out "Sno-performance Methanol injection" he's done his homework with this product many, many test. Ive known him for awhile, He's my neighbor and he's been running this system on his car for years doing a lot of testing His car was also supercharged "Foxed bodied Cobra" with the kit he was running high 10s @ over 5000ft above sealevel. Oh! and his car was originally set-up for roadracing cause thats what he's into! He also desings strut bars! __________________ 99GT 35th Anniv Edition #4323 01 Roush Stage 2 #6586

05-04-2005, 03:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
Samsstang Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 371	also it desolves just as quick as you spray the only way you can make any type of corrosion is if it sits there! then that wouldnt be good, if its sittin or puddling. __________________ 99GT 35th Anniv Edition #4323 01 Roush Stage 2 #6586

05-06-2005, 01:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
PistolWhip MD Bad Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Jersey Posts: 109	I am planning on using a 25 HP dry shot. The introduction of a 25 HP shot will not require that much more fuel when you considder the amount of fuel needed to support the Charger's added air. If your injectors are up to the task that your S/C is putting them to, they will have no problem with a 25 or even a 50 shot. The important thing with a dry shot is the tune. Make sure the car is tuned right and everything will be fine. If you are going to go this route, you DO NOT want to inject into a T.B. spacer. Right at the end of the Chargers discharge tube is the best place for it. That way, if you have the IAT in the discharge tube, it will see the lower intake temps and allow the ECU to take advantage of it. This is not as necissary if you are running a stock blower pulley (It will always help though). For instance, a Vortech SQ V-2 blower is designed to run with a 3.33" or 3.66" pulley depending on the presence of an after cooler or not. If you are running within that range, the blowers discharge temps should not be effected. They make serious heat when they start to get over spun. __________________ My Stang's Home Page You guys have a smiley here just for me, <-----------------:snorting: I've fineally found a home :love4:

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