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Old 06-07-2006, 09:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 4.6 better turbo or supercharged?

now ive seen people with both supercharged Gts and turboed, just wondering which has better gains and least negatives to it and is worth more for the price. it seems like more people supercharge them which is what im thinking about for a long term mod, but theres a mustang ive seen around my town that is supposively twin turboed and it runs like a beast.
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Old 06-07-2006, 09:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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s/c cost less, give quicker boost, but dont give as much power at the same psi level as a turbo

turbos cost a lil more, give tons of hp(and more tq than an equal sc), but have a little lag so the power isn't immediate

to each his own
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Old 06-07-2006, 09:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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s/c cost less, give quicker boost, but dont give as much power at the same psi level as a turbo

turbos cost a lil more, give tons of hp(and more tq than an equal sc), but have a little lag so the power isn't immediate

to each his own

if the turbo is properly sized for the application, turbo lag is pretty much non existent...

the main reason turbos arent more popular is because of their price first and foremost and also the fact that there arent any truly "bolt on" turbo kits. turbos are a hell of a lot more work to install because none of the kits bolt on perfectly. a supercharger can easily be installed in a day.

also most of the companies that make turbo kits for our cars have very long waiting periods from when you send the money until you get the actual product.
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Old 06-07-2006, 10:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I currently have a D1SC and it is loads of fun. I'm running 14# of boost and I see 10#+ at 5000 rpm. I have always loved my car and have never complained, but a couple of weeks ago I went for a ride in a friends car that was running a single T66 at 11# and it was a completely different ballgame. If you call turbo lag 11# at 3100rpm, then I guess it was lagging. I'm now piecing together the parts to have my own kit made. I have the T70 turbo and 38mm wastegate. I'm using the intercooler, bypass and piping from my D1 and hoping to have the exhaust piping in a week or two. You really need to take a ride in a turbo equipped V8 to make up your own mind, I know it did it for me.
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if price is no problem, go turbo. plus you will have room to grow.
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I would go with a s/c. It makes plenty of power, cheaper and easier to instal. No need for a downpipe ect. But then again I've never been in a turbo mustang.
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For the cost of a good turbo kit its rather exspensive, something a college kid like me cant afford. I would go witha blower but turbo's make awsome power aswell its just the cost that holds most back from it.
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Old 06-10-2006, 09:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Personally Im going with turbos later on. The turbos seem to produce alot more power at low PSI than a supercharger and if you keep the turbos cool it will eliminate turbo lag.


http://www.turbochargedpower.com/96-04%20Mustang.htm

^^^This setup virtually eliminates turbo lag.
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its not keeping turbos cool thats makes them not lag, its getting a turbo correctly sized to the engines airflow that makes the difference.
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with a 99-04 2v you can get damn close to the limits of the stock bottom end with a procharger and bolt ons.

So . . since its easyer and less expensive i would say just go with a blower
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Personally Im going with turbos later on. The turbos seem to produce alot more power at low PSI than a supercharger and if you keep the turbos cool it will eliminate turbo lag.


http://www.turbochargedpower.com/96-04%20Mustang.htm

^^^This setup virtually eliminates turbo lag.
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www.hellionpowersystems.com

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or hp performance
http://modularpowerhouse.com/product...39c88f5b0542c5
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Old 06-13-2006, 03:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
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A note about hellion systems. A buddy of mine that works at my local stang tuner shop has done a few hellion systems lately and they're not impressing him. They don't bolt right up (he called them and they said, "well you need to get a pry bar..." he hung up and was pissed that the bolt on kit wasn't just that) and the K-member kits they come with are pure crap. GMS is known for yucky parts and poor quality and many many many have catastrophically failed, UPR k-members have had to be re-welded at the time of install because they could see that they were not goiing to live through any sort of thrashing with the shoddy welds they had.

If you're going to do a hellion kit, get a Griggs K-member (it's what GMS and UPR copied in the first place but Bruce Griggs invented it and still makes the best of that design), MM A-Arms and CO kit w/ MM CC plates. Then get someone that knows how to fabricate parts because you'll need them at least a little to get the thing on. Turbos are also harder to tune in most cases as they develop full boost rather suddenly.

I'd stick with the supercharger until someone develops a more friendly turbo kit that will actually bolt on.

Looking at the kit listed by stage2roush... that system will have more turbo lag than one that has the compressor closer to the header. You want the hottest fastest moving exhaust gas possible to get to the impeller for minimum spool up times and maximum return. There's a hot side and a cool side. The cool side is the output end and that air will still be pretty hot as a byproduct of compressing air (see boyle's law for more info) and so must be run through an intercooler to help stave off detonation.
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