Hmm, so you're telling me that his campaign is $25million? He turned down the $85million paid for by us for campaigning for a meesley $25mil?

Obama spent appx. $57 Million in August alone. So, explain how that works. I believe that the Obama campaign also estimated that they would need something like $35 Million to win Fla. alone, so with just those two numbers we're already at $92 Million which is well above the $85 million that McCain started with.

So, with those numbers in mind let's take a look at some presumtive data from the web.

Opensecrets.org reports that Obama has raised nearly $460,000,000. Are you going to tell me that ALLLLLL of that money came from individual supporters!?

Dude, seriously stop trying to help this campaign continue to cover up the truth. We have no idea where all of the money is coming from!

Now, go to that same web site and compare Obama's "contributions" to McCain. $460,000,000 to $240,000,000. Do you still think that McCain has a competitive edge with money? I don't know what else to say here, the truth is right here laid out in black and white.

Snoopy/Scooby-Doo 2008!

We all know Snoopy is a relaxed home-dog, with good values, and Scooby-Doo has plenty of problem solving skills. It's the perfect solution.

That article was from April 2007. I'm pretty positive he's raised more than 25 million since then. You lose.

What article? The MSNBC? Who cares?? There has been no presidential nominee that has ever "raised" this much money in the history of the USA. We're talking about a political nobody that has suddenly raised up from the abyss to earn $460,000,000 in less than 9 months.. My reporting is shown quarterly and just in the last quarter he has come up with $140,000,000. I don't care who you are, you're not going to raise that kind of money from simple contributions..

Go ahead, be naive, keep reassuring yourself that you're making the right choice. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, this whole "I win" thing. We'll see who wins on election day. :D

McCain is a political somebody? Since when? He was next to dead last in his class, and he has sided with Bush 90% of the time. Crashed a bunch of planes, was a POW (not a good thing, he's worthless.

Why can't a campaign be funded by donations? McCain has Washington paying for his campaign. Until you prove me wrong, which you haven't come close yet, Obama's campaign is funded by ordinary citizens. Isn't that what the democratic party is all about? Fighting for the little guy?

I still find it quite funny how he talks about Obamas lack of experience then he chooses a VP with less.

WN, if you think Obama is going to be raising taxes on working Americans then you need to stop watching McCains commercials.

Shit, you probably believe that Obama wanted to teach kindergarteners sex education. :kekekegay:


By the way, whos leading in the polls?

No

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Steeda, the projected taxes under Obama that I posted on the last page is from the wall street journal, doesn't get much more credible than that.

And All I have to do is point at the post (lazer red) above the prove what you said about the "little guy" is completely wrong.

PS. The VP is supposed to have a little less experience than the president buddy.. That's why they aren't the president. Atleast the Repubs didn't get it totally backwards like the dems did. We'll see how that shakes out Friday when Sarah Palin blows Biden's dumb ass out of the water.

Your mind is already made up and you insist on continuing with personal attacks like a child, so I'll just stop this bullshit. Mods can feel free to close if you wish.

Yeah less experience so if anything shall happen to the president, we have a shitty replacement. Come on.


Palin isn't going to blow anyone out of the water. You gotta be joking with that. Tons of conservatives want her to back out, as she is out of her league. The VP debate is going to be funny. They limit her interviews for a reason.

"If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself." - Kathleen Parker (conservative)

I thought that was funny.

I'd rather have a less experienced (possible) replacement than a less experienced "leader" to begin with.

We can argue about this until our fingers grow numb and fall off, but it's obvious that you're not going to budge and neither am I. So let's let bygones be bygones and move on, I'm sick of the childish personal bullshit arguing over the internet, this is like AIM in Jr. High school.

I will post one more rebuttal to your Palin Comments. Source: Wall Street Journal.

PS: Who the hell is Kathleen Parker anyway?? -- From what I can tell She is a Columnist trying to draw attention to herself by calling someone out.. Then again, she is part of the media so based on what I've posted above I should not be surprised.

Are you kidding? You totally changed my mind! McCain 08!

:p ;)

I http://3.8mustang.com/forum/images/smilies/love.gif political arguments.

Vote McCain/Palin in '08
 

I watched and I think McCain was better than obama, but one debate doesn't win the election, nor will the rest...;)

I'll put my trust in John McCain because I believe he will keep his hands outta' my pockets, where bho will go-deep, McCain and the Republicans will do a much better job of defending our country from Mulsim Extremist, keeping Russia in check and the whole middle east as well...:t:

obama does Not have the smarts to keep this country safe and that IS more important to me than anything else.....

so imho the Better/Best choice to lead this country over the next 4 years is McCain/Palin NOT obama/biden.....

yah, fuck the mother and all her rigths, lets force everyone to bring all the kids in the world weather or not they are rape babies, or if it will kill thier mom, or if the parents were careful but the birth control failed, and neither are in a position in life to raise a kid.

lets just stuff them all into orphanages and foster homes, give them a nice unsrtavble enviorment, its allright, we will make room in the overcrowded prisons after tthier crap upbringing sends them the direction of crime.

I cant remember it was either Venom or WaterDr that told me once i had a kid i would be pro-life, (prolife, yah, whatever), im still pro choice.

but god forbid we let people live thier lives and make thier own decisions.


Srry, no offence intended, but i despise people who force thier decision on a matter that is clearly none of thier business

Chris, I agree with you in cases of Rape/Incest/Mothers incapability to give birth, etc. But a woman's right to choose comes before she takes her panties off. If you choose to have consentual sex and a baby is conceived then you made the choice already. This whole "right to choose" slogan has been taken way into left field and honestly I consider it "right to kill."

Don't want a baby? Don't have sex, Use a Condom, etc.

Please don't try to change my mind on this, because no matter what you say it won't change my mind on this topic no way, no how. If you believe in abortion after consentual sex then you've lost some serious respect in my book.

You dont have to believe in it, but nobody should be forced to make that decision off of YOUR opinion either. The only people that need to be involved in that decision are the pregnant couple. Period.

Let me followup with this.

The simple existance of life in itself does not madate its right to existance.

There is no opinion after the sex. If you have consentual sex and become pregnant (unless the case of mother dying from giving birth) you have made your "choice." You could have chosen 1. Don't have sex, Don't have baby or 2. Have sex and Maybe a baby.

That's the choice right there, not "damn, I had sex, now I think I want to kill this baby that is inside of me."

Chris, you answer me this, could you kill Logan right now? There is no differance between killing Logan and an unborn baby. None, zero, zip, nada.

Have you ever thought that Steeda and others who support Obama might actually like what he's saying and his proposed policies? And do you really think Obama has any control over moron hollywood types that want to endorse him? Do you really think Obama went seeking Lohan's endorsement?

I don't and will never question your loyalty to this website, but you don't have any credibility about politics just like the rest of us so stop acting like your opinions or views are the end all be all. You have made extremely hateful comments about Obama, you have made extremist comments about Obama and that's why you have no credibility when it comes to this topic. You are not capable of talking about this topic without hatred, and it's very apparent everytime you post on this topic.

Hell I don't even think the McCain supporters on this site would associate themselvs with your over the top extremist comments. Fine, you don't like Obama or his policies and that's fine, but after you made a post that if Obama was elected he'd be killed within two years of taking office I knew you were off your rocker.

Another thing, how can you think the Obama isn't smart enough....I've heard this several times. I think some of you are confusing with opposing views vs intelligents. Both candidates are smart enough. I challenge any one of you to be an expert in the Economy, Foriegn Policy, Domestic Policy, Military, Healthcare, Social Security, Medicare....should I go on. So get off your high horses about either one of them isn't smart enough.

One more thing. You tell Jack not to try to change your mind about Abortion, which is fine, but then you tell him he's lost your respect for sharing his views? That's BS dude. Not speaking for Jack (sorry Jack).....but I don't think Jack or anyone else gives a shit if they've lost your respect. You have no ability to accept that other peoples views.

So just because Logan exists, he doesn't necessarily have the right to be alive?? :confused:

Your logic is completely baffling on this subject. I'm not even a father, but I couldn't even imagine saying anything like that.

Evan, i agree with 100% on everything.....just except Sean Hannity is conservative : )

McCain wins. Honestly, if Obama gets elected he will be assassinated. It's not just my thinking. I've heard groups of random people talking about it and I don't want to see him get killed.

Ha! Thanks bud, at least this post proves jjt wrong! :eek:

Thanks. You said what everyone is thinking.

I'm hoping your being sarcastic. If you think some random dude on the internet who shares your views proves everyone else wrong, then :eek:


Geeze.

In certain cases I understand how in some cases it really isn't a choice like if the mother is going to die or rape but obama supports post delivery abortions meaning that if a child is born during a failed abortion they will be left to die this could take hours of the poor infant crying before starving to death. luckly under current law if a baby is born and escapes the uterus of it's homocidal mother it is protected as a US citizen and the doctors must do everything they can to save it. Obama whats that law to go away.

If someone walked into a delivery room and shot a newborn they would be a murderer if a mother decideds to let her baby die after it is born that negligent homocide Barrak supports the secound part and I see no difference.

Almost all pro choice organizations aren't ok with post delivery abortions they arent' even as in love with killing babys as barrak he said he would let his own grandchildren die if his daughters didn't want the burden

in 2005 there were 94,347 rapes in the united states
in 2005 there were 756,120 abortions

pregnancy occurs in about 5% of rape victims

94,347 * .05 = 4,717

so rape accounts for about that many abortions

what about the other 750,000

Source?

Dang, that sounds brutal. Do you have a link or something where I could read up Obama's view on that topic?

Here is my view on abortion....I hate it and would never want anyone to have an abortion unless it was medically needed. I think abortion is a horrible thing, however I don't believe the government should have any right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. I think it's funny how conservatives don't want government in peoples lives or businesses, but when it comes to abortion they have no problem getting involved

Just to be clear with logan and his heart and stuff being a potential touchy subject, i do understand 100% that you would never discount or understate the love i have for my son in any intentioanl manor whatsoever.

that said... i find it somewhat difficult to explain how i feel on this, but ill give it a shot.


Not all childbirth complications are understood, things can still go wrong on the delivery table on what was otherwise a perfectly healthy pregnancy.

No, the possibility of his existance at no point ever trumped the safety of my wife. Period. If there was the slightest indication things could possibly go bad and my wife could have been harmed i would discuss the situation with her and if she chose to forgo the pregnancy i would absolutly have her support 100%, it would be easy for me to decide to go that route as difficult as that route would be. If she chose to go ahead with the pregnancy even though there was a significant chance it would hurt her, i would also support her decision, this would be a harder decision for me though.

He never had the RIGHT to existance, but he has the opportunity to have his life, which we eagerly agreed with.

The only RIGHTS anyone has is the freedom to determine how to live thier lifes and handle the obstacles and constraints put against them, nobody else has the right to tell somone else what to do. Logan will have these rights as well once he is old enough to logically understand the situations and problems presented ahead of him in a responsible, rational, and mature manor. Untill then, my wife and i make these choices for him.



Childbirth is extremly traumatic, even the best hospitals in the world hold mortality rates on what are considered perfectly normal pregnancies, and it is very easy as a man to sit there and tell a woman what she should or should not do, because it isnt you being told what to do.

Yes, a woman can also get in a car wreck and has a chance to die, but i dont see anyone forcing women to get in a car wreck, because that would be so insane on so maany levels. I dont see how forcing a woman to go through childbirth is any different, because it is easily just as tramatic.

I had a friend who was 14 and got a abortion, this was a long time ago, i was maybe 16 or 17 (and no it wasnt mine), she had an abortion and dont worry, it is not a simple doctors exam of 1/2 hour so she can run out and get laid again, it is a very hard thing to do. She was all messed up for about a week physically, and psychologically a lot longer. Im pretty sure nobody is running around with a regular schedule to visit the coat hanger.


All i know is everyone who is "Pro Life" better as hell have all thier ducks line up in a row and be ready to be freakin father of the year for the next 18 years every time they stick thier dick in a woman.


As for the arguement that if yer "man enough to have sex yer man enough to have a kid" that is a bunch of bullshit. Honestly, I dont think half the people breeding out there should even be allowed to have children, but that is not my decision to impose on them.

The desire to have sex is built in so deep within our biology that we literally can not stop having sex. I dont want to hear any bullshit out of priests being celebate, cause they are only th4e tiniest fraction of the population and even thier faith in thier god is not powerful enough sometimes to keep them from having sex.

Not everyone is fit fot parenting, and if they are not ready they should not be required to go through with it, the child should be a miracle and a gift, not a burdon and a curse.. If both parents both realize that they fucked up, and decide for an abortion, chances are they are better off without the child.

I dont think somone should have a child untill they are ready and able to provide that child with a secure nurturing stable enviornment. Regardless if they had sex or not.

Good article.

the issue of abortion is defintly a touchy one and full of emotion,

i tell you one thing though


If my wife and i decided we wanted to terminate the pregnancy, and it was left up to LazerredV6 or Wnracing, or whoever, and they chose to force us to have the child, and if the entire pregnancy went fine and then a last minute complication killed my wife, i would fully expect the people who forced her to go through with it to be charged with 1st degree murder, and hopefully they would face the death penalty.


this is such a jacked up thing, i admit, i dont take abortion lightly, but i dont believe anyone has any say but the couple who are pregnant.

because it aint nobody elses business. Period.