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Old 12-04-2007, 07:18 PM
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The coaches polls have always been agenda driven. Of course each coach (who dont watch any of the games) is going to do all they can to put their team in the best position.

Id bet money all the major contenders coaches voted their team 1 or 2 to get a shot at it.

We need an 8 team playoff, 6 BCS conference winners and 2 at large bids. Each conference winner should be in the #1-#6 slots and the other two should be seeded accordingly and a non-bcs team should get the #8 spot if they are unbeaten like Boise last year or Hawaii this year.

This year would have been

#1 Ohio State vs #8 Hawaii
#4 Oklahoma vs #5 USC
#3 Virginia Tech vs #6 West Virginia
#2 LSU vs #7 Georgia
 

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Old 12-04-2007, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by HokieStang00
Check this stat:

USC wasn't even in the top 10 with a .650 .
That is true...I was pissed of we scheduled Idaho st.....I think one of our former coaches is there now or something, but the reason our computer ranking is so low is because Nebraska and Notre Dame sucked, and Cal went from being #2 in the nation to out of the top 25 along with some other things. Who would have ever thought the Nebraska, Cal, and Notre Dame would be so bad. It's tradition to play Notre Dame every year, but it really hurt us this year......Nebraska isn't tradition, but is normally pretty damn good.

As for LSU being being undefeated in regulation.....that is about the most lame thing I've EVER heard. It doesn't matter if you lost in regulation or overtime...the fact is that you didn't take care of business in regulation and lost in overtime. A loss is a loss. I wanted to kick Les Miles in the face when I heard him say that. That dude is a complete *** hat, and makes LSU look stupid quite often.

Yes, LSU and USC fans want to play each other because the SEC has NO respect for any team outside of the SEC and we want to play them so they STFU.
 
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Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT
The coaches polls have always been agenda driven. Of course each coach (who dont watch any of the games) is going to do all they can to put their team in the best position.

Id bet money all the major contenders coaches voted their team 1 or 2 to get a shot at it.

We need an 8 team playoff, 6 BCS conference winners and 2 at large bids. Each conference winner should be in the #1-#6 slots and the other two should be seeded accordingly and a non-bcs team should get the #8 spot if they are unbeaten like Boise last year or Hawaii this year.

This year would have been

#1 Ohio State vs #8 Hawaii
#4 Oklahoma vs #5 USC
#3 Virginia Tech vs #6 West Virginia
#2 LSU vs #7 Georgia
wow that's the first logical thing i've heard you say, and i actually agree for the most part..except maybe throw 2 or 4 more teams in the mix to make it really interesting.
 
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:55 PM
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ok so ya'll tell me this.... how else are we to compare all the 2 loss teams? of course a loss is a loss. but if all these teams have 2 losses, you have to find a way to seperate them. Why would Oklahoma deserve it more. They lost to 2 unranked teams and only and only played 3 teams that were ranked (LSU played 7). Virginia Tech has a loss to LSU... a blow out loss. Georgia lost to South Carolina and Tennesse, both of which LSU beat. althought Georgia did beat Kentucky. LSU also holds the SEC championship over their heads. so i don't see how any of the teams in the top 5 can say they deserve it over LSU.

the whole no loss in regulation is not saying oh well we are so good at least we took it to overtime. it's saying look, we have all these teams that with only 2 losses.... what makes us different... well **** only losses we had were in overtime. yea they didn't get their business done.... but neither did Georgia.... Oklahoma....Virginia Tech.... USC.....

Kansas shouldn't factor in... they lost to Missouri...... who lost to Oklahoma twice.
 
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:09 AM
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I want OSU out, not LSU. It's going to be embarassing when LSU gets healthy and doesn't have the distractions.
 
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WyteKraka
ok so ya'll tell me this.... how else are we to compare all the 2 loss teams? of course a loss is a loss. but if all these teams have 2 losses, you have to find a way to seperate them. Why would Oklahoma deserve it more. They lost to 2 unranked teams and only and only played 3 teams that were ranked (LSU played 7). Virginia Tech has a loss to LSU... a blow out loss. Georgia lost to South Carolina and Tennesse, both of which LSU beat. althought Georgia did beat Kentucky. LSU also holds the SEC championship over their heads. so i don't see how any of the teams in the top 5 can say they deserve it over LSU.

the whole no loss in regulation is not saying oh well we are so good at least we took it to overtime. it's saying look, we have all these teams that with only 2 losses.... what makes us different... well **** only losses we had were in overtime. yea they didn't get their business done.... but neither did Georgia.... Oklahoma....Virginia Tech.... USC.....

Kansas shouldn't factor in... they lost to Missouri...... who lost to Oklahoma twice.
LSU also lost at home, Oklahoma didnt. There are alot of factors invloved, but imo if you dont win your conference you shouldnt have a shot at the title game. So that leaves us with USC, LSU, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia.

Ohio State is the only team with 1 loss and to win its conference ouright. They should get in.

Now deciding between the 2 loss teams..........

Va Tech lost to LSU by alot so that hurts them alot. They do have a 5 game winning streat with 2 ranked teams and one being BC to avenge an earlier loss. Both VT losses were to teams ranked in the top 15. Which are the best losses of any team on the list.

USC is arguably playing the best of any team right now and has a very good schedule. But they did lose to a really bad Stanford team which is the worst loss of any 2 loss team. Their QB was playing a broken hand though. But they are also have a win streak of 4 games including 2 ranked teams.

LSU lost the two weeks ago at home to unranked Arkansas. Neither Kentucky or Ark are ranked in the BCS so both your losses were to unranked teams too. Right now LSU is not playing like a #1 or #2 team in the nation, they played awesome for the first 4 or 5 weeks of the season but have had some close games and if it were not for Auburn and Florida givining games away LSU should be a 4 loss team.

West Virginia had its chance to be in the title game, all they had to do was beat Pitt at home. Granted White was injured, but still its Pitt. WVU's first loss was to #21 South Florida. If you lose your last game of the season you are out imo.

Oklahoma lost two games, both road games, and one to the #1 offensive team in the country in Texas Tech. Also during that game Sam Bradford was out of the game. The Colorado loss was their only bad loss since they had a 17 point lead and gave it up. Oklahoma has also beat their last two opponents by an average of 26 points including beating the #1 ranked team by 21.


And as I said before I was under the impression the title game was designed to put the two best teams in at the time of the vote. Imo Oklahoma is playing better than LSU and has the same record.

My rankings would be

1 - Ohio State
2 - Oklahoma
3 - LSU
4 - USC
5 - Virginia Tech
6 - West Virginia
 
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:44 AM
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Kentucky was ranked when LSU played them and looked real good in all prior games. Arkansas although not ranked, has Mcfadden, an incredible althlete and Heisman Contender. right now LSU is not playing the best it can, but NC is in a month. so any team would be able to get healthy and go all out. IMO a healthy LSU is #1 or #2. but how come you point at LSU's 2 losses and Oklahoma has 2 losses to unranked teams. it shouldn't be about how these teams "looked" it should come down to stats. wins/losses.... who they beat and who they lost to...... did they win their conference.
 
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by WyteKraka
Kentucky was ranked when LSU played them and looked real good in all prior games. Arkansas although not ranked, has Mcfadden, an incredible althlete and Heisman Contender. right now LSU is not playing the best it can, but NC is in a month. so any team would be able to get healthy and go all out. IMO a healthy LSU is #1 or #2. but how come you point at LSU's 2 losses and Oklahoma has 2 losses to unranked teams. it shouldn't be about how these teams "looked" it should come down to stats. wins/losses.... who they beat and who they lost to...... did they win their conference.
Yeah well Nebraska was also ranked #15 when USC beat them. What you are ranked early means jack squat.

Everything is taken into consideration and LSU lost to two unranked teams just like Oklahoma. Virginia Tech and Ohio State are the only two teams whose only losses are to top 15 teams. Both teams USC lost to are not ranked either, but they did lose to then #5 Oregon who without question would be a BCS team if Dixon didnt go down.

The rankings should not be based on speculation that maybe LSU will be a #1 or #2 in a month. They are supposed to be based on who is playing the best right now. You readily admit LSU is not playing the best and yet they get bumped up because of the BS belief people have that the SEC is somehow this mystical conference where each team should be ranked #1 - #12 every year. Its a freakin joke.

If Oklahoma and USC played LSU right now today imo LSU would lose both games.
 
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mixedbreed02GT
I've been saying for a few years now that we need to have a playoff system w/ the top 16 teams in it. Maybe this guy can bitch enough to get it done.....
 
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Old 12-06-2007, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Nofire
I've been saying for a few years now that we need to have a playoff system w/ the top 16 teams in it. Maybe this guy can bitch enough to get it done.....
Unforunately, you can look up about 50 other articles saying there will never be a playoff, written by sportswriters with more publicity and pull then that guy. IMO, the stubborn few that grew up with bowl games are keeping the system in tack because of "tradition". We'll most likely have to wait until they are too old or gone before the next generation tries something different. I honestly don't see what's wrong with a little trial and error. They can't possibly fug the system up anymore than it is. Try a playoff, if they really lose that much money (which I doubt), then they can always switch back. I don't believe in the "regular season being a playoff" argument. If they switch to a playoff, it's not like losses become unimportant. You can't just go through the motions and expect to make the playoffs. Every game will determine whether you get a shot and better regular season teams will be rewarded with a higher seeding. (ex. every other damn sport)
 
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Originally Posted by HokieStang00
Unforunately, you can look up about 50 other articles saying there will never be a playoff, written by sportswriters with more publicity and pull then that guy. IMO, the stubborn few that grew up with bowl games are keeping the system in tack because of "tradition". We'll most likely have to wait until they are too old or gone before the next generation tries something different. I honestly don't see what's wrong with a little trial and error. They can't possibly fug the system up anymore than it is. Try a playoff, if they really lose that much money (which I doubt), then they can always switch back. I don't believe in the "regular season being a playoff" argument. If they switch to a playoff, it's not like losses become unimportant. You can't just go through the motions and expect to make the playoffs. Every game will determine whether you get a shot and better regular season teams will be rewarded with a higher seeding. (ex. every other damn sport)
actually if they leave the bowl system intact with a playoff it will actually be more money for the schools that win.

you get a certain dollar amount for making the playoffs, then you get money for each playoff game you win for your school, and so on and so forth.
 
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so the rankings should be based on how a team is playing right now? no, it is based on how well they have played previous and now. who is to say who is the best team right now only lookin at one game. no way to do it, you have to look at how they played as a whole. SEC is bullshit? out of 8 bowl games they were in they won 6. soon to be 7. OK could not beat LSU right now.... they just got destroyed by WV. USC healthy vs LSU healthy ..... LSU wins.

Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT
Yeah well Nebraska was also ranked #15 when USC beat them. What you are ranked early means jack squat.

Everything is taken into consideration and LSU lost to two unranked teams just like Oklahoma. Virginia Tech and Ohio State are the only two teams whose only losses are to top 15 teams. Both teams USC lost to are not ranked either, but they did lose to then #5 Oregon who without question would be a BCS team if Dixon didnt go down.

The rankings should not be based on speculation that maybe LSU will be a #1 or #2 in a month. They are supposed to be based on who is playing the best right now. You readily admit LSU is not playing the best and yet they get bumped up because of the BS belief people have that the SEC is somehow this mystical conference where each team should be ranked #1 - #12 every year. Its a freakin joke.

If Oklahoma and USC played LSU right now today imo LSU would lose both games.
 
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Originally Posted by WyteKraka
USC healthy vs LSU healthy ..... LSU wins.
we will never know, but I have a different opinion on that outcome!
 
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