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VOID · 05-31-2007, 09:26 PM

cool.

Twin Turbo 330 · 06-01-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Eighty1

Yea, thats on a GP, this is just a general call us up and buy deal.

Thats still an outstanding price though.

Here's a link to the piston, rods and rings on ebay for $839.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/5-4-5...mZ170002914279

How's it going R3dn3ck? I sold my Stang back in December but I have an 87 Notchback now with a 4cyl. and trying to decide if i still want to build a 5.4.

r3dn3ck · 06-02-2007, 09:03 AM

twin... you're back. Welcome. Yes you still want to build a 5.4. in a notch that would be sick fast... you can get notches down to an easy 2900 lbs. thing would accelerate like a lambo.

Twin Turbo 330 · 06-02-2007, 09:48 AM

Right now the title says it ways 2650 lbs. That's what i'm thinking but i'll probably go 4v since i have to get an engine harness and computer for the swap anyways. I sold my rods and pistons awhile back though but i still have the block and crank and timing cover.

myillwillinc · 06-02-2007, 02:27 PM

anyone else got something put together? since i'm in sight of finishing( but running into lots of stupid things to finish) i wanna see some pics from you guys....

don't make me come looking for you guys....

2v4now: hows your coming along?

Twin Turbo 330 · 06-03-2007, 08:49 AM

Is there a difference between 2v, 3v, and 4v blocks? Because i was looking at DSS short blocks and the don't offer short blocks for the 4v just 2v and 3v. I thought they were all the same. Do you think it's just the valve relief in the pistons?

r3dn3ck · 06-03-2007, 09:22 AM

the 2v and 4v are identical 100%. the 3v have a different mount setup but can be adapted to older cars.

Twin Turbo 330 · 06-03-2007, 12:17 PM

Navi's use iron blocks and forged cranks right?

myillwillinc · 06-03-2007, 03:48 PM

the magazine tested a navi motor and ran it twin turbo to 13300hp without fail. they came fully forged i believe.

Twin Turbo 330 · 06-03-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

the magazine tested a navi motor and ran it twin turbo to 13300hp without fail. they came fully forged i believe.

Well damn that's pretty sweet if that's true. I found a 03 Navi 4v motor for $3400 on ebay. Don't have the money right now but when i do that would be sweet i was planning on having to change the rods and pistons.

r3dn3ck · 06-03-2007, 08:41 PM

they're not forged motors... they're stock HE cast pistons and skinny minnie frag-o-rods. I'm pretty sure the navi's after 98 came with a standard cast steel crank. Under that kind of power (assuming 13300 = 1300) the ability of the main caps to stay where they belong will have a lot to do with the motor holding together. You'd have to be nuts to do that on a stock bottom end. I'd be looking for billet rods and main and head studs, o-ringed heads... the works.

myillwillinc · 06-03-2007, 08:58 PM

i\ll see if i can find the article on it.

2Eighty1 · 06-04-2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

they're not forged motors... they're stock HE cast pistons and skinny minnie frag-o-rods. I'm pretty sure the navi's after 98 came with a standard cast steel crank. Under that kind of power (assuming 13300 = 1300) the ability of the main caps to stay where they belong will have a lot to do with the motor holding together. You'd have to be nuts to do that on a stock bottom end. I'd be looking for billet rods and main and head studs, o-ringed heads... the works.

This man speaks the truth... Wait, I think I said that back about page one hundo.

All 5.4 Motors until 1998 were forged crank
From 1999-Current ONLY the Lightning had the forged crank

2Eighty1 · 06-04-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

anyone else got something put together? since i'm in sight of finishing( but running into lots of stupid things to finish) i wanna see some pics from you guys....

don't make me come looking for you guys....

2v4now: hows your coming along?

Ive been lazy this weekend.

I need to package up my pistons and rings to ship back still, I should do that tonight actually.

myillwillinc · 06-04-2007, 11:28 AM

i so close to cranking the beast up but there are so many little details i have to resolve first.

note to all: the waterneck on 96-98 motors are diffrent then 2000-up. the later points to the right and the earlier one points to the left. also the newer ones have smaller holes for the bolts since it is aluminum and the plastic ones have metal sleeves in it and bigger holes for it.

r3dn3ck · 06-04-2007, 12:42 PM

I have a couple spare water necks if you need one... freebie+ shipping.

Twin Turbo 330 · 06-04-2007, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

they're not forged motors... they're stock HE cast pistons and skinny minnie frag-o-rods. I'm pretty sure the navi's after 98 came with a standard cast steel crank. Under that kind of power (assuming 13300 = 1300) the ability of the main caps to stay where they belong will have a lot to do with the motor holding together. You'd have to be nuts to do that on a stock bottom end. I'd be looking for billet rods and main and head studs, o-ringed heads... the works.

I did alot of research last night and all the info i read didn't have the navi's with all forged. That's okay it won't be that bad to do.

VOID · 06-04-2007, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myillwillinc

anyone else got something put together? since i'm in sight of finishing( but running into lots of stupid things to finish) i wanna see some pics from you guys....

don't make me come looking for you guys....

2v4now: hows your coming along?

Well mine came to a major problem yesterday in the form of me wrecking my car. I was sandwhiched between a car going 5 miles per hour and one going 40 miles per hour. I wonder if they are going to total it out. If so i'm getting a fox hatchback.

2Eighty1 · 06-04-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VOID

Well mine came to a major problem yesterday in the form of me wrecking my car. I was sandwhiched between a car going 5 miles per hour and one going 40 miles per hour. I wonder if they are going to total it out. If so i'm getting a fox hatchback.

Damn bro, thats a slight setback.

You make it out ok ? Any pics of the carnage ?

myillwillinc · 06-04-2007, 04:38 PM

dam bro thats 2 guys here losing thier car to wrecks

Twin Turbo 330 · 06-04-2007, 06:00 PM

Hope your alright buddy car accident's are never fun.

myillwillinc · 06-04-2007, 06:26 PM

ok, this is gonna be fun. i just put 8 qts of oil in the motor and remote oil filter and it is only halfway up the safe area on the dipstick. on the old motor all i had was the stock oil pan from my 4.6 and it took 7 qts then. so i guess the more oil the cooler it will stay.

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05-31-2007, 09:26 PM	#1831 (permalink)
VOID Totaly pimpalicious 5.42v Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 258	cool. __________________ 98 GT Vert, 4r70w Pi intake/cam swap. Mac prochamber o/r and cat back. Cobra body kit, Stalker hood, Steeda race wing, 95 Cobra R's "Ford" not nock offs. Modded Eibach prokit. Some other stuff but no biggy.

06-02-2007, 09:48 AM	#1834 (permalink)
Twin Turbo 330 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 393	Right now the title says it ways 2650 lbs. That's what i'm thinking but i'll probably go 4v since i have to get an engine harness and computer for the swap anyways. I sold my rods and pistons awhile back though but i still have the block and crank and timing cover. __________________ 03 Sonic Blue GT (SOLD) Working on an 87' Notch now!

06-02-2007, 02:27 PM	#1835 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 618	anyone else got something put together? since i'm in sight of finishing( but running into lots of stupid things to finish) i wanna see some pics from you guys.... don't make me come looking for you guys.... 2v4now: hows your coming along? __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

06-03-2007, 08:49 AM	#1836 (permalink)
Twin Turbo 330 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 393	Is there a difference between 2v, 3v, and 4v blocks? Because i was looking at DSS short blocks and the don't offer short blocks for the 4v just 2v and 3v. I thought they were all the same. Do you think it's just the valve relief in the pistons? __________________ 03 Sonic Blue GT (SOLD) Working on an 87' Notch now!

06-02-2007, 09:03 AM	#1833 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,858	twin... you're back. Welcome. Yes you still want to build a 5.4. in a notch that would be sick fast... you can get notches down to an easy 2900 lbs. thing would accelerate like a lambo.

06-03-2007, 09:22 AM	#1837 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,858	the 2v and 4v are identical 100%. the 3v have a different mount setup but can be adapted to older cars.

06-03-2007, 12:17 PM	#1838 (permalink)
Twin Turbo 330 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 393	Navi's use iron blocks and forged cranks right? __________________ 03 Sonic Blue GT (SOLD) Working on an 87' Notch now!

06-03-2007, 03:48 PM	#1839 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 618	the magazine tested a navi motor and ran it twin turbo to 13300hp without fail. they came fully forged i believe. __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

06-03-2007, 08:41 PM	#1841 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,858	they're not forged motors... they're stock HE cast pistons and skinny minnie frag-o-rods. I'm pretty sure the navi's after 98 came with a standard cast steel crank. Under that kind of power (assuming 13300 = 1300) the ability of the main caps to stay where they belong will have a lot to do with the motor holding together. You'd have to be nuts to do that on a stock bottom end. I'd be looking for billet rods and main and head studs, o-ringed heads... the works.

06-03-2007, 08:58 PM	#1842 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 618	i\ll see if i can find the article on it. __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

06-04-2007, 11:28 AM	#1845 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 618	i so close to cranking the beast up but there are so many little details i have to resolve first. note to all: the waterneck on 96-98 motors are diffrent then 2000-up. the later points to the right and the earlier one points to the left. also the newer ones have smaller holes for the bolts since it is aluminum and the plastic ones have metal sleeves in it and bigger holes for it. __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

06-04-2007, 12:42 PM	#1846 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,858	I have a couple spare water necks if you need one... freebie+ shipping.

06-04-2007, 04:38 PM	#1850 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 618	dam bro thats 2 guys here losing thier car to wrecks __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

06-04-2007, 06:00 PM	#1851 (permalink)
Twin Turbo 330 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 393	Hope your alright buddy car accident's are never fun. __________________ 03 Sonic Blue GT (SOLD) Working on an 87' Notch now!

06-04-2007, 06:26 PM	#1852 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 618	ok, this is gonna be fun. i just put 8 qts of oil in the motor and remote oil filter and it is only halfway up the safe area on the dipstick. on the old motor all i had was the stock oil pan from my 4.6 and it took 7 qts then. so i guess the more oil the cooler it will stay. __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/