for what it's worth, I noticed that he had "banned" under his name about a week ago when I started reading this post.

 

you can pull the motor through the top but it's probably easier to do from bottom with a lift.

Saleen and Randy had a pissing match but I think some of the mods here are kinda tightly wound and they freak out at stupid crap and start idiotically banning people. I'm not saying that a short suspension wouldn't be appropriate but jeebus perma-booting people is friggin stupid. And randy should have been ban.T too, he was being just as much of a jerk as saleen IMHO... looked to me like he actually kinda started it by getting mouthy.

GTNinja, I've been banned a couple times but I'm still here. I'm only here as a resource to the guys that need suspension advice or 5.4L swap dialogue. When I find my presence stops entertaining me, or stops being useful in general, then I'll leave of my own initiative.

I need to know ETA's for each of you getting a 5.4L motor in your car. I need to do some planning on testing that'll be coming up for neato stuff.

LMK please.

 

I'm hoping to start my build up this winter but the engine might not go in until spring, if cash becomes a problem. What kind of "stuff" are we talking about?

 

can't say publicly but rest assured it's all cool stuff.

 

I will be looking for a block on monday locally, and am always looking online. So this project is a GO. I will be acquiring more tools soon as well to aid me in proper build / installation. I figure if I start now, I can likely get it built by Dec / Jan, possibly sooner if I find garage space. I'm looking to go fairly aggressive, but want to keep it street-able. In the meantime, i'll have my suspension, under-drive pulleys and SCT Tune installed within the next week or so to give a lil pep to my 4.6 while she waits for her 5.4. =)

 

hello all, im considering doing the 5.4 swap! what exactly will i need for the swap i can get a 5.4 lightning block preety cheap and ill buy all forged internals, i also have a set of 02 pi heads that im going to get ported, an 03 pi intake and ill buy all new gaskets and prob vt stage II cams, i just have no idea what else i would need, all you 5.4 guys need to put me in the right direction!

 

Adaptor plates for the intake manifold and have your mid-pipe widened and/or lengthened. Also, hood clearencing (cut a small notch in the hood) may be necessary but that's pretty much it. Also, the 5.4 timing cover is needed. Other than that, it is nothing more than a 281 but w/ a approx. 1" taller deck height.

 

what kinda gains will i see from havin a 5.4 insted of 4.6? can i use the stock motor mounts to?

 

I edited my earlier post so's not to start a flame-fest. bottom line is he (saleen330) was giving out some wrong info to a newbie and if I can stop dis-information from the start, well it makes my job a whole lot easier when that customer calls me for parts or prices.
sorry if I ruffeled some of your feathers but I've been doing this alot longer than some of you are old and have been in the Modular program since before some of you were even able to drive. I do know alittle bit more about the Modulars(and racing) then most, Im not just a parts counterman so when someone is wrong, Im going to call them out on it.

 

when i did my 5.4 swap i went ahead and used the 4.6 oil pan and oil filter mount. the motor mounts are the same the mid pipe still fit ( i had a bbk off road x-pipe) i just spread it apart about an inch. the only part you have to go get is the adapter plates. i had a cobra r hood already so the intake was fine. i'm putting together all the pics i took from the first swap and taking alot better ones for this one. this weekend i'll post the link to the project page and if anyone has any questions about it email me at
myillwillinc@aol.com

 

Randy, I don't want to start a pissing match with you in my thread. Fact is you BOTH got into it and it looked to me like you started it with a harsh attitude. You seem like a reasonable chap most times and I don't know what bug got up yours and saleens poop-tubes to cause you to both act like a couple bloody kids fighting in a playground over who's got the most hair on your nuts but you both did act poorly. Whatever your reasons, you both deserve ban.T and that's my $.02.

Your reasons or justification don't matter anymore because you're still here and a really cool guy that's done a lot for this board is gone because you both couldn't take it to PM instead of pissing all over a public thread. That's the way it is and I blame both of you.

 

whatever dude whats done is done so get over it

 

if you need to message me about this.... take it to a friggin PM. Jeebus./

 

no thanks, Im done talking to you

 

As far as gains, the hp may not gain a lot but as for torque, its enough to move mountains, especially if you have it dyno tuned.
Also, Randy, get over it. It is unprofessional to just keep on going with this and spilling it over to this thread. If you want to post anything on the topic, go ahead, if not, then don't post. Someone asked what happened to Saleen, we gave our opinions, and we moved on. It's time to stop with this grudge and move on.

 

oh really, well thats your opinion. you guys are the ones that dragged my name into this thread, wth your talk of banning and such. I was directed to this thread (by others)to say my piece, if you don't like it, oh well. you 2 started it and now I'll finish it, Im done wth you too

 

Is there any way we can clean up this thread and remove any non-5.4L talk so that its not so huge with information that won't help the people wanting to do the 5.4L swap? I'm sorry if I brought it up helped feed into it in any way. So lets either clean up this thread or archive it for information only and then create a new 5.4L thread. I'm sure one of the mods can come through here and clean it up if they took the time, i've managed boards like this before. Thanks!

P.S. Perhaps there should also be a Modular 5.4L Tech Sub-Forum instead of just one thread, so it can be spread into specific categories to make it easier for folks to look up specific information. Or perhaps a dedicated 5.4L site with tech articles, forum, and photos, and eventually products for sale once they're all finished with their R&D / Testing phases.

 

ordered the 5.4 block today!! 250 + shipping, i also bough a pair of pi heads and cams 300 including shippin to send out and get ported!! i cant wait to get it, im tryin to stay n/a when i order my forged internals what compression should i go with? 10:5.1? also mines an auto so will i need to do anything to my tranny?

 

Dang dude, where did you get all that for so cheap? I'm trying to find a 5.4L block as we speak.

 

the heads and cams i bought from travis (saleen330) he hooked it up and the block i got from car-parts.com its a bare block i gota get it cleaned bored .20 over honed and all that good stuff, so thats all i have so far, i gota save up for the forged internals fun fun, i cant wait to get the build going! ah 1 more question, i have an auto and 410's now, how will this effect my launch?

 

I think r3dn3ck can answer that best. My guess is that your rear end will explode off because of so much torque. =) Hey r3dn3ck, have any spare parts for the 5.4 build that your willing to part with that will benefit me in any way? Thanks!

 

lol thats always nice, i wish i could keep the 410's

 

You can keep them, just your car may turn into a pretzel from the torque. Like r3dn3ck said about me keeping the stock drivetrain, you don't have to baby it but don't go crazy.

 

Yeah, I almost got some myself, cuz on the 4.6 they'd be nice, but on the 5.4 you need a taller gear because of the massive torque, so the stock gears are likely best, as far as what I was told. Then again, I could be wrong. I hope I can pickup a block ASAP. I want to get it to a machine shop so it can be prepped for new crank / rods / pistons etc and get the heads ported, then I can begin ordering parts and start my assembly process, it's like christmas everyday when stuff arrives in the mail. =)

 

awsome! i still have no idea wat piston/rod and crank i need, try car-part.com you can find a block for real cheap

 

here are the rods i got for my build...

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=751872

 

3.55's are about as short a gear as you want to go with that much torque (well really with where the tq comes on). Traction will be a problem with 3.73 and higher ratios. I'd consider saving for some better axle shafts and a 31 spline diff of any ol' make.

I have a serious handful of parts for 5.4's. I'll get all my stuff together and we'll see what you can use. I have a whole front cover setup with gears, cover, chains, guides, tensioners and such. I'll try and get a pic today. Prices are low.

I got a set of these rods:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-...spagenameZWDVW

I had a group purchase on them so we got them even cheaper.

For 10.5:1 compression with PI heads you can use -4.5cc dish pistons if the swirl dams are still there, or flat tops if they're not.

Don't forget on your parts lists to include good hard race bearings and ARP fasteners. There's almost 500 bucks in the typical set of bearings and bolts so be ready for that if you're doing a build-up. For anyone with a good standard bore I have a set of TRW L2608F forged pistons that I can't use that I'll let go for super cheap. They're used but in good shape. They're dished a bit and should get you 9.8 compression on most stock PI heads.

 

Do you think a 10:5:1 compression ratio is going to be OK if I decide to boost? Or should I look for a lower compression? I don't think i'm going to go boosted right away though and may end up just liking it N/A. What are you going with on your build?

 

it took me 2 days but i read this whole thread.........i think this is the way ill be moving from now on.......and i already got VT stage 2 cams.......i think ill run with forged internals and then spray it..........sounds like nice streetable car thats fast enough that no cars around my area will be able 2 hang with

 

That is a bit too high for boost. Depending on how much you want to go w/, stay around the stock compression ratio.