View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
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Anyone intrested in 5.4L swaps, in here. Need you to opine.
#5882
Yup. Its made for a carb but a person could of course put a 90 degree elbow on top for a t.b., but then you'd getting extremely tall, thats why I was thinking of modifying for a oval t.b. off the side....
#5885
Good Question
I second this question ... I've heard talk about it recently too. Any information will be appreciated. I want to get ALL the information I can before I start spending the bucks.
#5886
IIRC, people have stated that a stroker kit would increase the speed of an already fast rotating assembly. I assume that's a bad thing. Certainly would be sweet though. Do you happen to have a link to it, or was it just something that you heard about? Curious to see if that's with a standard bore engine, or if it has to be bored out..
#5887
I think I found what you are talking about: stroker crank for a 5.4L. Price is almost $3000 . Total cubes comes to 6.36L ONLY when you have a 3.740" bore (aka bored out block with bigger sleeves.) Assuming the one from MMR fits the bill, that's another $3300 that you have to tack onto the bill. Certainly not a cheap mod by any means. I'd rather do the 6.8 V10 swap, even though some don't think it would be worth the effort.
#5888
Pricey For Sure
I agree ... $6,300 (+) is a bit steep for a street mod.
Yes, the V-10 would be cool ... but how practical?
I've narrowed it down to either the new 5.0 (larger bore) MOD block from FRPP, or the 5.4 engine. I understand the 5.0 block can also be stroked but I dont think Ford has done that yet. The 5.4 would be more attractive if it made the CID with a bigger bore as opposed to a longer stroke, but we have what we have to work with.
Decisions ... Decisions ... Decisions
Yes, the V-10 would be cool ... but how practical?
I've narrowed it down to either the new 5.0 (larger bore) MOD block from FRPP, or the 5.4 engine. I understand the 5.0 block can also be stroked but I dont think Ford has done that yet. The 5.4 would be more attractive if it made the CID with a bigger bore as opposed to a longer stroke, but we have what we have to work with.
Decisions ... Decisions ... Decisions
#5889
Resource for Stroker 5.4
Here is a website I've had stored for a while. Ran across Powerheads them when I was looking for Cleveland parts a while back. DSS Racing is on E-bay and in the magazines all the time. Both have stroker packages and Yall can get some sort of idea about price range(s).
http://www.powerheads.com/
http://www.dssracing.com/
http://www.powerheads.com/
http://www.dssracing.com/
Last edited by TXBLUOVAL; 01-31-2009 at 05:08 AM. Reason: added another website
#5890
Here is a website I've had stored for a while. Ran across Powerheads them when I was looking for Cleveland parts a while back. DSS Racing is on E-bay and in the magazines all the time. Both have stroker packages and Yall can get some sort of idea about price range(s).
http://www.powerheads.com/
http://www.dssracing.com/
http://www.powerheads.com/
http://www.dssracing.com/
Both of those companies have their fans and also plenty of....ahem.... "non-fans". Caveat emptor.
#5891
The actual V10 swap itself did not sound too bad, with the exception of raising the trans tunnel a bit. The real bitch is the electronic aspect of it. People don't seem to like the V10 though, since it has a balance shaft and few aftermarket bolt ons are available. The balance shaft does'nt bother me though. Plenty of V6's have balance shafts, and I've never heard of an issue with one on a modded vehicle.
#5892
pros: bragging that you have a 6.4L. lighter wallet (about 10K when all is said and done)
IIRC, people have stated that a stroker kit would increase the speed of an already fast rotating assembly. I assume that's a bad thing. Certainly would be sweet though. Do you happen to have a link to it, or was it just something that you heard about? Curious to see if that's with a standard bore engine, or if it has to be bored out..
The actual V10 swap itself did not sound too bad, with the exception of raising the trans tunnel a bit. The real bitch is the electronic aspect of it. People don't seem to like the V10 though, since it has a balance shaft and few aftermarket bolt ons are available. The balance shaft does'nt bother me though. Plenty of V6's have balance shafts, and I've never heard of an issue with one on a modded vehicle.
#5893
well my blower came with injecters...42's just like that kit. already have a fuel pump. all i have left to get is some little things i already have priceed and to get a heat extracter and brackets and when its all done with it would of cost me 2500 all together.
so much for not being able to piece a kit together for less
and when its all done i will be looking foward to havin that hole in my hood.
so much for not being able to piece a kit together for less
and when its all done i will be looking foward to havin that hole in my hood.
Last edited by cardude; 01-31-2009 at 03:58 PM.
#5894
Thanks !!!
5.4 is inexpensive to get into and no more expensive to repair than a 4.6 with its fairly standard rotating assembly.
it basically serves to further unbalance the performance of an engine that's already got a nasty bias towards the bottom end and make it more bottom end biased.
it basically serves to further unbalance the performance of an engine that's already got a nasty bias towards the bottom end and make it more bottom end biased.
If that's the case I would be better off AND cheaper going the 5.4 route as you say.
COOL ... gives me another angle to approach the whole thing.
I guess what I need to do is start looking for a wrecked truck that I can get both the engine ans trans "pull-outs" from that way I have all parts and other MISC items that will reduce my parts-chasing later.
I'm curious ... Are there any compatibility issues with engine sensors between the 4.6 and the 5.4, and again across produciton years ... anyone know anything (or experience) anything about this ... ???
By the way ... the HMS 5.4 manifold looks impressive. Not a bad price neither. I dont know right now if I will be going the NA route or SC. If they are taking orders now to sell them cheaper I might just want to go ahead and take the plunge NOW and hopefully come out cheaper later ... ???
THANKS AGAIN !!!
#5895
No. Not the same at all. Unless I'm mistaken that 5 liters is from a stock 4.6 stroke (3.55 vs 4.16 for a 5.4) and larger (3.70) bore. The larger bore gives better breathing capacity, and a stroker crank in a 3.70 block would be awesome. Getting into some big money there though.....
#5897
MOD 5.0 Stroker Issues ... ???
No. Not the same at all. Unless I'm mistaken that 5 liters is from a stock 4.6 stroke (3.55 vs 4.16 for a 5.4) and larger (3.70) bore. The larger bore gives better breathing capacity, and a stroker crank in a 3.70 block would be awesome. Getting into some big money there though.....
Right, the 5.0 is from a 3.70 bore with the current 4.6 stroke. FRPP offers two 5.0 MOD blocks; the FR500C aluminum block with the 3.70 sleeves (this block alone is $4-K) and the new cast iron 5.0 block with 3.70 bore (cost is so far around $2-K).
More than one company offers a stroker crankshaft that when used in either of the 5.0 MOD blocks above supposedly comes out to about 325 CID. I think Sean Hyland offers this package. Yes, it is pricey.
My concern is, would stroking this 5.0 produce the same "cons" and issues as with stroking a 5.4 as indicated below ... ???
Originally Posted by audikillsbmw
IIRC, people have stated that a stroker kit would increase the speed of an already fast rotating assembly. I assume that's a bad thing.
#5899
Right, the 5.0 is from a 3.70 bore with the current 4.6 stroke. FRPP offers two 5.0 MOD blocks; the FR500C aluminum block with the 3.70 sleeves (this block alone is $4-K) and the new cast iron 5.0 block with 3.70 bore (cost is so far around $2-K).
More than one company offers a stroker crankshaft that when used in either of the 5.0 MOD blocks above supposedly comes out to about 325 CID. I think Sean Hyland offers this package. Yes, it is pricey.
My concern is, would stroking this 5.0 produce the same "cons" and issues as with stroking a 5.4 as indicated below ... ???
Originally Posted by audikillsbmw
IIRC, people have stated that a stroker kit would increase the speed of an already fast rotating assembly. I assume that's a bad thing.
5.4=long stroke/deck height 4.6
a 5.4 block with a 4.6l crank and an extra long custom rod would produce 4.6liters and would rev to the moon provided you have heads to support the 9000+rpm flow
by the contrary, you could put a stroker crank into a 5.4l taking the already silly 4.165" stroke of the 5.4 to something like 4.3"? you would effectively rev to like 4500 rpm lol
most "performance" engines have a bore/stroke that is "square" ie bore=stroke approximately
formula 1 engines generally have a much shorter stroke than bore, for example, they have a v10 that only produces approximately 3.0l, very short stroke, these engines IDLE @ 9000rpms...and make power to 20k
a 3.70 bore mod motor with a 3.70 stroker crank would make way more power than a 5.4l with a 3.552 bore and 4.165 stroke, but the 5.4 can be had for cheap, and can be built bullit proof for much cheaper, and the 5.4l when built right will out power the 4.6 everytime, with exception to the 3.700 big bore 4.6's, but if you give the 5.4 a 3.700 bore also, then it will kill the 4.6 just as quickly
#5900
There's a lot of debate on rod angles and no easy answer because it has just as much or more to do with piston height as it does rod ratio. There are plenty of factory motors with "poor" rod ratios that do just fine, and also keep in mind that when Ford designs it they are doing 100,000 mile durability testing, which is far beyond what the average enthusiast is concerned about.
#5902
Good question ... Does the 5.4 and 4.6 share the same cam gears, chains, pulleys, etc., ???
#5903
Good question ... Does the 5.4 and 4.6 share the same cam gears, chains, pulleys, etc., ???
Basically you can use all the accessories from your 4.6, only issue is with a 2002 and up 5.4 front cover missing two of the power steering pump mounting holes.
#5904
Cam gears are the same, chains are longer on a 5.4, I'm pretty sure the tensioners are the same, pretty sure the guides are different.
Basically you can use all the accessories from your 4.6, only issue is with a 2002 and up 5.4 front cover missing two of the power steering pump mounting holes.
Basically you can use all the accessories from your 4.6, only issue is with a 2002 and up 5.4 front cover missing two of the power steering pump mounting holes.
I think I need to find a good pull-out with all bells and whistles to include the harness to the firewall of the same year Mustang.
I'm glad I susbcribed to this site. THANKS !!!
#5907
Thanks many times over for the information and assistance.
#5908
well I've just made a small purchase for my vehicle
masterpower t70 turbo set up fully jet hot coated and bolts to factory exhaust location
60lb injectors
03 cobra tank with twin GT pumps
and i bought some aeromotive rails with line/fittings the other day
small transformation happening soon
masterpower t70 turbo set up fully jet hot coated and bolts to factory exhaust location
60lb injectors
03 cobra tank with twin GT pumps
and i bought some aeromotive rails with line/fittings the other day
small transformation happening soon
#5909
I guess the sames applies to putting a stroker in the FRPP 5.0 MOD block then ... ???
If that's the case I would be better off AND cheaper going the 5.4 route as you say?
I guess what I need to do is start looking for a wrecked truck that I can get both the engine ans trans "pull-outs" from that way I have all parts and other MISC items that will reduce my parts-chasing later.
By the way ... the HMS 5.4 manifold looks impressive. Not a bad price neither. I dont know right now if I will be going the NA route or SC. If they are taking orders now to sell them cheaper I might just want to go ahead and take the plunge NOW and hopefully come out cheaper later ... ???
If that's the case I would be better off AND cheaper going the 5.4 route as you say?
I guess what I need to do is start looking for a wrecked truck that I can get both the engine ans trans "pull-outs" from that way I have all parts and other MISC items that will reduce my parts-chasing later.
By the way ... the HMS 5.4 manifold looks impressive. Not a bad price neither. I dont know right now if I will be going the NA route or SC. If they are taking orders now to sell them cheaper I might just want to go ahead and take the plunge NOW and hopefully come out cheaper later ... ???
2. That's a matter of taste and $$$. You make your own call based on what you know of yourself. I think the 2v 5.4 is a perfect street motor for a 3200-4000lb street car. It's not too much and it's not too little. It's cheap to own and cheaper to play with than high dollar combos that are only marginally more fun in all reality.
3. Just the motor from heads down (you can go intake to oil-pan to keep it tidy and sealed). You'll take EVERYTHING else off your old motor... accessories, sensors, exhaust, oil pan, thermostat, radiator hoses, blah blah blah.
4. The HPS manifold is great and it's only going to get more expensive. I'd pick one up while the getting's good. He introduced it with a lower price than initially planned to stir up some sales.
No. Not the same at all. Unless I'm mistaken that 5 liters is from a stock 4.6 stroke (3.55 vs 4.16 for a 5.4) and larger (3.70) bore. The larger bore gives better breathing capacity, and a stroker crank in a 3.70 block would be awesome. Getting into some big money there though.....
well I've just made a small purchase for my vehicle
masterpower t70 turbo set up fully jet hot coated and bolts to factory exhaust location
60lb injectors
03 cobra tank with twin GT pumps
and i bought some aeromotive rails with line/fittings the other day
small transformation happening soon
masterpower t70 turbo set up fully jet hot coated and bolts to factory exhaust location
60lb injectors
03 cobra tank with twin GT pumps
and i bought some aeromotive rails with line/fittings the other day
small transformation happening soon
#5910
Cam gears are the same, chains are longer on a 5.4, I'm pretty sure the tensioners are the same, pretty sure the guides are different.
Basically you can use all the accessories from your 4.6, only issue is with a 2002 and up 5.4 front cover missing two of the power steering pump mounting holes.
Basically you can use all the accessories from your 4.6, only issue is with a 2002 and up 5.4 front cover missing two of the power steering pump mounting holes.
If the power steering pump mounting holes are missing, what do you guys do to mount it?