The turbonator
#2
01-06-2006, 02:39 PM
It is a complete scam and I do not know how they get away with it.
They clain it works not because it brings in more air (which it does not), but because of the swirling affect.
Well think about it. The air is supposed to swirl and then make bend after bend after bend? No friggin way.
They clain it works not because it brings in more air (which it does not), but because of the swirling affect.
Well think about it. The air is supposed to swirl and then make bend after bend after bend? No friggin way.
#3
01-06-2006, 02:48 PM
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The basic idea is that the swirling reduces resistance and causes a smoother intake of air.
Here is an example. Take a 2 liter of coke and fill it half way, turn it over and what happens? Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug a nice sloppy down pour.
Take that same 2 liter of water and get the water in it spinning, when it comes out it comes out faster and smoother.
That is how they like to explain it, however, it does not quite apply in this situation. When you turn the 2 liter over and the water is still and you dump it, the water coming out causes a vaccume in the bottle which sucks that air in, which causes it to chug chug chug.
When you spin the water, more water is on the outside walls of the bottle, causing the air pocket to reach deeper down as the water is pulled away, this causes the air intake for the vaccume to move in a bit more smoothly and allows the water to escape.
Now a more realistic way of putting it, add suction on the cap where the water is coming from and put a hole in the top, kinda like shotgunning a beer. All of the sudden the physics change.
The turbinator is a neat idea, and good in theory, but doesent work for the reality of the physics of an intake on a car. if anything, it creates more resistance.
once of these days im gonna buy one and dyno tune with and without just to put the whole thing to rest.
Here is an example. Take a 2 liter of coke and fill it half way, turn it over and what happens? Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug a nice sloppy down pour.
Take that same 2 liter of water and get the water in it spinning, when it comes out it comes out faster and smoother.
That is how they like to explain it, however, it does not quite apply in this situation. When you turn the 2 liter over and the water is still and you dump it, the water coming out causes a vaccume in the bottle which sucks that air in, which causes it to chug chug chug.
When you spin the water, more water is on the outside walls of the bottle, causing the air pocket to reach deeper down as the water is pulled away, this causes the air intake for the vaccume to move in a bit more smoothly and allows the water to escape.
Now a more realistic way of putting it, add suction on the cap where the water is coming from and put a hole in the top, kinda like shotgunning a beer. All of the sudden the physics change.
The turbinator is a neat idea, and good in theory, but doesent work for the reality of the physics of an intake on a car. if anything, it creates more resistance.
once of these days im gonna buy one and dyno tune with and without just to put the whole thing to rest.
#5
01-06-2006, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TEXASPAUL
can one of those days be really soon
i want to know
i want to know
#7
01-06-2006, 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
The basic idea is that the swirling reduces resistance and causes a smoother intake of air.
Here is an example. Take a 2 liter of coke and fill it half way, turn it over and what happens? Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug a nice sloppy down pour.
Take that same 2 liter of water and get the water in it spinning, when it comes out it comes out faster and smoother.
That is how they like to explain it, however, it does not quite apply in this situation. When you turn the 2 liter over and the water is still and you dump it, the water coming out causes a vaccume in the bottle which sucks that air in, which causes it to chug chug chug.
When you spin the water, more water is on the outside walls of the bottle, causing the air pocket to reach deeper down as the water is pulled away, this causes the air intake for the vaccume to move in a bit more smoothly and allows the water to escape.
Now a more realistic way of putting it, add suction on the cap where the water is coming from and put a hole in the top, kinda like shotgunning a beer. All of the sudden the physics change.
The turbinator is a neat idea, and good in theory, but doesent work for the reality of the physics of an intake on a car. if anything, it creates more resistance.
once of these days im gonna buy one and dyno tune with and without just to put the whole thing to rest.
Here is an example. Take a 2 liter of coke and fill it half way, turn it over and what happens? Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug a nice sloppy down pour.
Take that same 2 liter of water and get the water in it spinning, when it comes out it comes out faster and smoother.
That is how they like to explain it, however, it does not quite apply in this situation. When you turn the 2 liter over and the water is still and you dump it, the water coming out causes a vaccume in the bottle which sucks that air in, which causes it to chug chug chug.
When you spin the water, more water is on the outside walls of the bottle, causing the air pocket to reach deeper down as the water is pulled away, this causes the air intake for the vaccume to move in a bit more smoothly and allows the water to escape.
Now a more realistic way of putting it, add suction on the cap where the water is coming from and put a hole in the top, kinda like shotgunning a beer. All of the sudden the physics change.
The turbinator is a neat idea, and good in theory, but doesent work for the reality of the physics of an intake on a car. if anything, it creates more resistance.
once of these days im gonna buy one and dyno tune with and without just to put the whole thing to rest.
Already done. Cost 15hp on a stock 99gt. Gained a couple torque though.
You know what those things do, they effectively shrink the intake pipe. Air is super-not-dense, so it behaves a lot different than water until the pressure is turned way way way up. Until the pressure comes up the air has no surface tension to speak of and can't maintain any shape for very long. As someone correctly stated, unless you have a straight shot from the turbonator to the intake valve you'll never see that swirling last but a couple inches. The added restriction on the intake lasts all the way to the wheels though if you know what I mean.
#8
01-06-2006, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
Already done. Cost 15hp on a stock 99gt. Gained a couple torque though.
You know what those things do, they effectively shrink the intake pipe. Air is super-not-dense, so it behaves a lot different than water until the pressure is turned way way way up. Until the pressure comes up the air has no surface tension to speak of and can't maintain any shape for very long. As someone correctly stated, unless you have a straight shot from the turbonator to the intake valve you'll never see that swirling last but a couple inches. The added restriction on the intake lasts all the way to the wheels though if you know what I mean.
You know what those things do, they effectively shrink the intake pipe. Air is super-not-dense, so it behaves a lot different than water until the pressure is turned way way way up. Until the pressure comes up the air has no surface tension to speak of and can't maintain any shape for very long. As someone correctly stated, unless you have a straight shot from the turbonator to the intake valve you'll never see that swirling last but a couple inches. The added restriction on the intake lasts all the way to the wheels though if you know what I mean.
Welp, you just saved me 70 bucks! Thanks! LOL
#15
01-07-2006, 10:44 AM
My buddy has a geo metro for a winter beater and came along a free turbo somehow. he got all the piping and put that bad boy on running 3 lbs of boost. haha
he did it as a joke but apparently there are people who actually do that and are serious.
he did it as a joke but apparently there are people who actually do that and are serious.
#16
01-11-2006, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
Already done. Cost 15hp on a stock 99gt. Gained a couple torque though.
You know what those things do, they effectively shrink the intake pipe. Air is super-not-dense, so it behaves a lot different than water until the pressure is turned way way way up. Until the pressure comes up the air has no surface tension to speak of and can't maintain any shape for very long. As someone correctly stated, unless you have a straight shot from the turbonator to the intake valve you'll never see that swirling last but a couple inches. The added restriction on the intake lasts all the way to the wheels though if you know what I mean.
You know what those things do, they effectively shrink the intake pipe. Air is super-not-dense, so it behaves a lot different than water until the pressure is turned way way way up. Until the pressure comes up the air has no surface tension to speak of and can't maintain any shape for very long. As someone correctly stated, unless you have a straight shot from the turbonator to the intake valve you'll never see that swirling last but a couple inches. The added restriction on the intake lasts all the way to the wheels though if you know what I mean.
its a lot closer to the intake or is it just more swirling bull??and their claims are more "relistic" i guess
#17
01-11-2006, 02:46 PM
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#21
01-11-2006, 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
I'm starting another side project... I'm taking two superchargers from MR2's (looks like an AC compressor) and bolting those onto a
Taurus. Looking for 250fwhp.
Taurus. Looking for 250fwhp.
Youll be looking at almost 400hp wiith some decent tuning. And beleive it or not, it will rip the doors off the stang. I was heavy into SHO's last year, but I got rid of mine, looking for another one as a daily driver so I dont have to drive my 03 GT around everywhere.
#22
01-12-2006, 06:44 AM
Nothing,I repeat Nothing will cause the air to swirl once it gets to the T/B throttle plate.Even if it did,swirling air can't flow into a cylinder as fast as straight line air.Even some jet engines have vanes inside the compressor stage to straighten the flow of air through the engine.I used to pay a lot more attention to the TV show Two Guys Garage untill they championed these totally useless contraptions.A good rule of thumb:If it has "Turbo" anywhere in the name,advertisement,or on the box and the product in question is not an internal combustion piston or turbine engine or a device that uses exhaust gasses to power a pressure increasing intake device,stand back and point at the product and laugh like he11.
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