For all of you that have gears installed?

DarkSith · 01-03-2006, 05:07 PM

Well today I cared my car to get my 4.10s installed at 10:00a.m., My car was'nt ready untill 5:30. I get to the shop and found out my car already had 3.73's in it, and thats why my speedo's been off by 5mph since I got my car.

Any way the mechanic that installed the gears told my uncle, who was there when I arrived to pic my car up, that they were wineing, and that he followed the enclosed specs in the Motive box. He told him that they may quit, be had motive gear's in his camaro and eventually just replaced them because of the wineing, my uncle told my this right befor I left, and I was in kinda a hurry so I just left without talking to the mechanic, wich was stupid on my part.

Did any of you who have installed gears have wineing, mostly when you let off the gas? If so will it harm you rear end, I heard that it will shorten the life of your rear end, and also did your shop fix the problem for free? When they installed them did they give the old barrings and such back (if you bought the barring kit)?

I'm a little aggrivated right now so if you could help me out I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Travis

csledd · 01-03-2006, 05:21 PM

It's strange because it seems like more people than you probably realize buy gears, take them to the shop to get them installed, and then find out that their car already had the gears they wanted installed lol.

Your gears shouldn't whine unless there's a problem.. and I have the FRPP gears, and they never whined one time. It sounds more like they were shimmed incorrectly or the pinion depth is off or something of that nature. It shouldn't harm your rear end as far as I know.. but your gears will start wearing quick, which is bad.

You would think they would fix the problem for free, since they're not suppose to be doing that

Shambles · 01-03-2006, 05:24 PM

The shop should get the gears aligned properly before anything else. Whine gets annoying after a while. Most shops prefer FRPP gears because they have an easier backlash to setup, motives are a little more difficult.

I would have them make sure they are shimmed and set properly before doing anything else.

stanger00 · 01-03-2006, 05:24 PM

mine are the same way. the guy who installed mine put them a little tighter then he likes, but they will last longer then the engine. thats just the way motives are i guess. i hate mine. i probably told you that before you bought those. in the end these cost the same as the FRPP's because most of us have to buy the master bearing kit and shimms which bring the cost up. not worth it. i learned my lesson. my answer to this problem is turn the radio up.

DarkSith · 01-03-2006, 05:27 PM

So If you were me would you take it back to the shop, or live with it? And that sucks, because the reason I bought Motive was because I heard they don't wine as much.

stanger00 · 01-03-2006, 05:30 PM

the installer for my car test drove it before he called me to pick it up. 3 days later i got my car and a pissed off installer telling me that those gears are crap. he took my rear apart 3 times and ended up putting a setting that kept the whine at 40-45 miles per hour on accel and decel is just annoying.

so take it back and ask him to do the best he can.

Shambles · 01-03-2006, 05:31 PM

They do and they dont.

It all depends on how they were installed. If they are in the hands of an installer who has worked with Motive gears alot, then chances are they wont whine at all. If the person hasnt really worked with them before, you'll probably get more whine than you would like.

DarkSith · 01-03-2006, 05:34 PM

Well thanks guys, I will talk to the mechanic as soon as I get a chance and see what he will do. Hopefully he want charge me to reajust them.

csledd · 01-03-2006, 05:44 PM

yeah I agree with Shambles on that, if they're whining then they aren't installed right

MattJ · 01-03-2006, 06:07 PM

Ive got motive and I dont have any whine, when my mechanic told me I may because of the steeper gears and being an aftermarket brand. We set backlash the best we could which happened to be right on. You want play but not too much, but you dont want it super tight either.

DarkSith · 01-03-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MattJ

Ive got motive and I dont have any whine, when my mechanic told me I may because of the steeper gears and being an aftermarket brand. We set backlash the best we could which happened to be right on. You want play but not too much, but you dont want it super tight either.

So I should tell my mechanic to tighten the backlash a little, and see if that will rid me of the wine.

MattJ · 01-03-2006, 06:22 PM

Id take it to a driveline specialist. It sounds like he doesnt know what hes doing. The backlash is supposed to be between 5 and 10 thousanths. Mabye hes not setting the shims right. Dont let that whining slide because its only asking for problems.

Did they use friction modifier? Try adding a small bottle of that into your rear end and see if it fixes the problem.

NoKturnaL · 01-03-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MattJ

Id take it to a driveline specialist. It sounds like he doesnt know what hes doing. The backlash is supposed to be between 5 and 10 thousanths. Mabye hes not setting the shims right. Dont let that whining slide because its only asking for problems.

Did they use friction modifier? Try adding a small bottle of that into your rear end and see if it fixes the problem.

lol@Try adding a small bottle of that into your rear end and see if it fixes the problem

sorry...lol

MattJ · 01-03-2006, 08:26 PM

Itll lube his rear end up just the way he likes it! Less friction during quick movement..

mac0021 · 01-03-2006, 09:18 PM

Gear whine is usually caused by the pinion depth or backlash being incorrect, so id check to make sure these are correct.

If the ring gear or traction-lok doesnt have a smooth finish where it mates this will throw everything off and can possibly create a whine.

The shop that did the install should fix this free of charge, if they wont id suggest going to a new shop or getting the proper tools through summit and doing it yourself.

*madmatt* · 01-03-2006, 09:35 PM

Definately take it back. If you let it whine too long, it will wear the gears incorrectly, and you will be paying for them twice.

OFFdutyHERO · 01-04-2006, 11:19 AM

My gears had a lil whine for about 4 days aftet I got them... I figured it was just a lil break in period... all is well and my lash is fine. I had lucas rear end lube put in when we did the install. I couldnt really hear the wine over my exhaust tho.

B-rett · 01-04-2006, 11:55 AM

dude you guys are scaring me my gears get put in soon i hope they dont whine, althought i got the frpp

willodie31 · 01-04-2006, 11:59 AM

They shouldnt whine at all if installed correctly

Islander03GT · 01-04-2006, 12:56 PM

I have Ford's OEM (not FRPP's) installed by a Ford tech as a side job. He told me to get my own parts, but that he wouldnt do anything but OEM Ford because of whining issues. I bought the Ford gears off of a guy on the Corral.

Cost me $150 for installation, and $30 for misc. parts like bearings. He had it done in 3 hours, and I got to watch him do it.

No whine that day, 4 months later, still no whine.

I heard the newer FRPP gears now are motive?

OFFdutyHERO · 01-04-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Islander03GT

I have Ford's OEM (not FRPP's) installed by a Ford tech as a side job. He told me to get my own parts, but that he wouldnt do anything but OEM Ford because of whining issues. I bought the Ford gears off of a guy on the Corral.

Cost me $150 for installation, and $30 for misc. parts like bearings. He had it done in 3 hours, and I got to watch him do it.

No whine that day, 4 months later, still no whine.

I heard the newer FRPP gears now are motive?

I have heard the same thing about the new FRPP gears... just like the FRPP pullies say steeda or something on them.. some company other than ford.

B-rett · 01-04-2006, 03:11 PM

if mine whine ill be pissed :censored:

DarkSith · 01-04-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by B-rett

if mine whine ill be pissed :censored:

Just make sure you ask around and take them to a reputable shop, don't take them to the first shop you go to. Don't make the same mistake I did.

TEXASPAUL · 01-06-2006, 08:35 PM

01-03-2006, 05:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
DarkSith Victory Is Mine Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lake City, SC Posts: 1,327	For all of you that have gears installed? Well today I cared my car to get my 4.10s installed at 10:00a.m., My car was'nt ready untill 5:30. I get to the shop and found out my car already had 3.73's in it, and thats why my speedo's been off by 5mph since I got my car. Any way the mechanic that installed the gears told my uncle, who was there when I arrived to pic my car up, that they were wineing, and that he followed the enclosed specs in the Motive box. He told him that they may quit, be had motive gear's in his camaro and eventually just replaced them because of the wineing, my uncle told my this right befor I left, and I was in kinda a hurry so I just left without talking to the mechanic, wich was stupid on my part. Did any of you who have installed gears have wineing, mostly when you let off the gas? If so will it harm you rear end, I heard that it will shorten the life of your rear end, and also did your shop fix the problem for free? When they installed them did they give the old barrings and such back (if you bought the barring kit)? I'm a little aggrivated right now so if you could help me out I would appreciate it. Thanks, Travis

01-03-2006, 05:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	It's strange because it seems like more people than you probably realize buy gears, take them to the shop to get them installed, and then find out that their car already had the gears they wanted installed lol. Your gears shouldn't whine unless there's a problem.. and I have the FRPP gears, and they never whined one time. It sounds more like they were shimmed incorrectly or the pinion depth is off or something of that nature. It shouldn't harm your rear end as far as I know.. but your gears will start wearing quick, which is bad. You would think they would fix the problem for free, since they're not suppose to be doing that __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

01-03-2006, 05:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
Shambles The Baninator! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Springfield, PA Posts: 2,652	The shop should get the gears aligned properly before anything else. Whine gets annoying after a while. Most shops prefer FRPP gears because they have an easier backlash to setup, motives are a little more difficult. I would have them make sure they are shimmed and set properly before doing anything else. __________________ Chris "Shambles" Chamblee

01-03-2006, 05:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Shambles The Baninator! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Springfield, PA Posts: 2,652	They do and they dont. It all depends on how they were installed. If they are in the hands of an installer who has worked with Motive gears alot, then chances are they wont whine at all. If the person hasnt really worked with them before, you'll probably get more whine than you would like. __________________ Chris "Shambles" Chamblee

01-03-2006, 05:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	yeah I agree with Shambles on that, if they're whining then they aren't installed right __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

01-03-2006, 05:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
DarkSith Victory Is Mine Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lake City, SC Posts: 1,327	So If you were me would you take it back to the shop, or live with it? And that sucks, because the reason I bought Motive was because I heard they don't wine as much.

01-03-2006, 05:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
DarkSith Victory Is Mine Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lake City, SC Posts: 1,327	Well thanks guys, I will talk to the mechanic as soon as I get a chance and see what he will do. Hopefully he want charge me to reajust them.

01-03-2006, 06:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	Ive got motive and I dont have any whine, when my mechanic told me I may because of the steeper gears and being an aftermarket brand. We set backlash the best we could which happened to be right on. You want play but not too much, but you dont want it super tight either. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

01-03-2006, 06:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	Id take it to a driveline specialist. It sounds like he doesnt know what hes doing. The backlash is supposed to be between 5 and 10 thousanths. Mabye hes not setting the shims right. Dont let that whining slide because its only asking for problems. Did they use friction modifier? Try adding a small bottle of that into your rear end and see if it fixes the problem. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

01-03-2006, 08:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	Itll lube his rear end up just the way he likes it! Less friction during quick movement.. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

01-03-2006, 09:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
mac0021 Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Marysville, CA Posts: 93	Gear whine is usually caused by the pinion depth or backlash being incorrect, so id check to make sure these are correct. If the ring gear or traction-lok doesnt have a smooth finish where it mates this will throw everything off and can possibly create a whine. The shop that did the install should fix this free of charge, if they wont id suggest going to a new shop or getting the proper tools through summit and doing it yourself. __________________ 95 Mustang GT with AODE, aluminum driveshaft, 3:27s, msd coil and distributor, bbk pullies, bbk shorty headers, bbk catted x-pipe, 40 series flowmasters with dumps. 72 Camaro Project Car

01-03-2006, 09:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
madmatt Traitor...lol Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 7,922	Definately take it back. If you let it whine too long, it will wear the gears incorrectly, and you will be paying for them twice. __________________ RPMPlanets

01-04-2006, 11:19 AM	#17 (permalink)
OFFdutyHERO what?? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 305	My gears had a lil whine for about 4 days aftet I got them... I figured it was just a lil break in period... all is well and my lash is fine. I had lucas rear end lube put in when we did the install. I couldnt really hear the wine over my exhaust tho. __________________

01-04-2006, 11:55 AM	#18 (permalink)
B-rett BMC Member# 03209 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: north ridgeville, ohio Posts: 1,638	dude you guys are scaring me my gears get put in soon i hope they dont whine, althought i got the frpp __________________ ---35th Anniversary--- 265 rwhp 288 rwtq

01-04-2006, 11:59 AM	#19 (permalink)
willodie31 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 49	They shouldnt whine at all if installed correctly

01-04-2006, 12:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
Islander03GT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Simi Valley, Ca Posts: 717	I have Ford's OEM (not FRPP's) installed by a Ford tech as a side job. He told me to get my own parts, but that he wouldnt do anything but OEM Ford because of whining issues. I bought the Ford gears off of a guy on the Corral. Cost me $150 for installation, and $30 for misc. parts like bearings. He had it done in 3 hours, and I got to watch him do it. No whine that day, 4 months later, still no whine. I heard the newer FRPP gears now are motive? __________________ John V 06 Honda Accord SE- Daily Driver 83 Jeep Cherokee W/T- Off Road Toy 02 Mineral Gray V6 Vert- Girlfriends No more: 03 GT- The Problem Child

01-04-2006, 03:11 PM	#22 (permalink)
B-rett BMC Member# 03209 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: north ridgeville, ohio Posts: 1,638	if mine whine ill be pissed :censored: __________________ ---35th Anniversary--- 265 rwhp 288 rwtq

01-06-2006, 08:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
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