What to do?

Blue Thunder · 01-18-2005, 10:10 AM

Ok guys I have a big question. Next year I will have approx. $6000 to spend on performance parts. I do not want noitrous or turbos. I want a car fast enough to run high 11's that is still streetable and won't fall apart. Because of this I need ya'll to tell me what to do. Should i supercharge, remain naturally aspirited what? I want some ok durability and reliability that's why i'm cautios about supercharging but if I decide to remain natural what parts for 6000 can get me to 11's. I have thought about bennett racings crate engines, but they seem to expensive. Please tell me what parts i need to get and whether or not i can save all this worrying and just supercharge my stang. Please give me a plan of action.

03BullittClone · 01-18-2005, 10:15 AM

Pick up telephone, say "Hello, Kenne Bell?"

04GTMikey · 01-18-2005, 11:12 AM

Just S/C it bro!

gtnumber2 · 01-18-2005, 01:12 PM

what year is your car? if its a 2v 4.6 it will be very hard n/a. you will need to go sc or even better turbo but not for 6k. 6k has to be sc.

Islander03GT · 01-18-2005, 01:23 PM

Kenne Bell S/C is the best streetable mod you could do for that money to get close to 11's. You're gonna need suspension too to get there though.

*4.6 Love* · 01-18-2005, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03BullittClone

Pick up telephone, say "Hello, Kenne Bell?"

He'll have to dial the number first, otherwise he'll just be talking to himself!

Blue Thunder · 01-18-2005, 03:09 PM

I was looking at modularpowerhouse.com's mongoose supercharging kit that comes with a vortech or Novi 2000. Are you guys sure; even though supercharging's great and all i want my car to last more than just a couple of years. the car is an 02 mustang GT with 5-speed.
If i go supercharged I will buy spline axles do i need just one or two? Also a new differential which one? And a new clutch. Also i will get tri-ax shifter, 3.73, and a sport kit from maximum motorsports. How much will the s/c install cost and don't say install it yourself because i'm not an excellent mechanic. Why do ya'll think i should go with kenne belle so much?

03BullittClone · 01-18-2005, 03:19 PM

Splines:31 ; Axles:2 ; ah, hell, you just want to buy my car?

03BullittClone · 01-18-2005, 04:03 PM

Running in the 11's is a great ambition to have. My greatest ambition right now is to make Jennifer Aniston my next wife, but I don't know how probable that is, either. For us to really help you, we need to know a few things; what year is your car, what mods do you currently have, that kind of thing. Then maybe we can give you some worthwhile advice. So, a few more details, please.

spike_africa · 01-18-2005, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03BullittClone

Running in the 11's is a great ambition to have. My greatest ambition right now is to make Jennifer Aniston my next wife, but I don't know how probable that is, either. For us to really help you, we need to know a few things; what year is your car, what mods do you currently have, that kind of thing. Then maybe we can give you some worthwhile advice. So, a few more details, please.

he can do it and stay almost 100% streetable.

but becuase he has 6k and for some reason thinks nitrous is worse than a turbo or blower, i cant help him.

Blue02GT · 01-18-2005, 05:36 PM

Spike is right, 6 grand will not get you there with a supercharger.
11's can be had alot cheaper with nitrous. I have a racing buddy who runs 11.5's @ 116 with the following.
02 GT 5 speed.
stock motor
4.10 gears
Goodrich drag radials on Weld Draglites
skinnies up front
31 spline axels
pullies
x pipe
catback
100 shot NX kit.
4 cyl springs up front
moroso springs rear
SCT tune
The car will go 12.90's n/a I have raced him n/a and beat him and raced when he sprayed and got destroyed. He is a good driver and does not buy useless parts. You just can't touch nitrous for bang for the buck. A Kenne Bell alone will not get you there. You will still need a couple thousand bucks worth of suspension, tires, wheels, tune, rear end etc. You can get there with a aftercooled Vortech cheaper than a Kenne Bell. Kenne Bell is a hell of a kit and can make great power all through the rpm range but they are $6,000 just for the intercooled kit alone. Good luck with whatever you decide on and have fun.

spike_africa · 01-18-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue02GT

Spike is right, 6 grand will not get you there with a supercharger.
11's can be had alot cheaper with nitrous. I have a racing buddy who runs 11.5's @ 116 with the following.
02 GT 5 speed.
stock motor
4.10 gears
Goodrich drag radials on Weld Draglites
skinnies up front
31 spline axels
pullies
x pipe
catback
100 shot NX kit.
4 cyl springs up front
moroso springs rear
SCT tune
The car will go 12.90's n/a I have raced him n/a and beat him and raced when he sprayed and got destroyed. He is a good driver and does not buy useless parts. You just can't touch nitrous for bang for the buck. A Kenne Bell alone will not get you there. You will still need a couple thousand bucks worth of suspension, tires, wheels, tune, rear end etc. You can get there with a aftercooled Vortech cheaper than a Kenne Bell. Kenne Bell is a hell of a kit and can make great power all through the rpm range but they are $6,000 just for the intercooled kit alone. Good luck with whatever you decide on and have fun.

well said my man.

Blue Thunder · 01-18-2005, 06:15 PM

OK well if ya'll bothered to read my reply before i told ya'll this is a plan for next year and this is an 02 GT 5 speed. Furthermore motortrend did a run with a vortech supercharged 03 GT with a max motorsports sport suspension and ran 11.89. So tell me again how i won't run 11's. I won't run nitrous because i'm under my parents roof and they aren't car people so even though i pleaded with them about nitrous they said no because that damn fast and the furious ricer movie convinced them that i would blow myself up or something but their fine with me supercharging. So maybe you guys should read my other replies before posting. Thanks

spike_africa · 01-18-2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

OK well if ya'll bothered to read my reply before i told ya'll this is a plan for next year and this is an 02 GT 5 speed. Furthermore motortrend did a run with a vortech supercharged 03 GT with a max motorsports sport suspension and ran 11.89. So tell me again how i won't run 11's. I won't run nitrous because i'm under my parents roof and they aren't car people so even though i pleaded with them about nitrous they said no because that damn fast and the furious ricer movie convinced them that i would blow myself up or something but their fine with me supercharging. So maybe you guys should read my other replies before posting. Thanks

Maybe you could be a bigger asshole with your reply?

And that was a Mach1 not a GT in the motor trend test.
here is the link
http://motortrend.com/features/perfo...er/index1.html

Anyhoot were just trying to help you get to 11's with a daily driver and 6k. you didnt say any reason why you cant use Nitorus hence why we thought we would tell you it rules.

Ps i read all the posts. maybe you need ot lighten up when people who happen to know a thing or two about cars are trying to give you some information to meet your goal.

Thanks,
Dustin :BangHead:

Blue02GT · 01-18-2005, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

OK well if ya'll bothered to read my reply before i told ya'll this is a plan for next year and this is an 02 GT 5 speed. Furthermore motortrend did a run with a vortech supercharged 03 GT with a max motorsports sport suspension and ran 11.89. So tell me again how i won't run 11's. I won't run nitrous because i'm under my parents roof and they aren't car people so even though i pleaded with them about nitrous they said no because that damn fast and the furious ricer movie convinced them that i would blow myself up or something but their fine with me supercharging. So maybe you guys should read my other replies before posting. Thanks

Lighten up man. I would rather go with a blower set up also, I was just being realistic about your goals and the 6 grand number. Sorry your folks won't let you use the giggle juice. Personally I would go with the mongoose kit and a beefed up rear end. If you can build the rear end up and drive it like you stole it you can hit high 11's. Just get some slicks, skinnies, dump as much weight as you can and give it hell. Also I race alot, I mean alot so you can take my word for it or some dumbass mag. that is getting paid to run a favorable article. I see blown GT's running 13's all the time at the track. Horsepower don't mean squat if you can't use it. I ran 12.89 with only 243 hp. My advice would be to use this season to set up the suspension and get really good at driving it. Get it to 12.90's without the blower. That way you will hit 11's once you get the SC.

Blue Thunder · 01-18-2005, 07:40 PM

Ok sorry had bad day at school. Anyways I was thinkin Eaton posi, 31 spline axles, 3.73 gears, tri-ax, stage 3 clutch, mongoose kit, and max. motorsports sport or basic suspension kit. Although i may not put in the rear end stuff until i've had the car a while and my clutch starts to go. When my stock clutch starts to go then i will replace all my rear end stuff in one swoop. I'm also looking at maybe just replacing my engine with a bennett racing engine. That will put me in the 11's and give me 375 HP alone. But a new engine is more expensive than all the stuff i listed above.

Blue02GT · 01-18-2005, 07:53 PM

Yeah but with a forged bottom end you can turn up the boost and you'll do better than high 11's. Sounds like your on the right track.

04SVTDRIVER · 01-18-2005, 08:01 PM

11's is extremely ambitious for only 6k but I like what you're thinking. I would say ATI procharger they are designed to run on stock motors someone let me know if I'm wrong but with that some exhaust and some tuning, minor suspension you could probably be in the high 12's or low 13's.

04SVTDRIVER · 01-18-2005, 08:03 PM

also gears I forgot that these 4.6's are really rev happy!!

Blue Thunder · 01-19-2005, 06:19 AM

Your way off dude, you can run high 12's with good driving and basic bolt on's. Just ask 02 Blue GT that guy ran 12.8 with no power adder or serious engine work. Sorry but this plan should run high 11's to low 12's not 13's.

spike_africa · 01-19-2005, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04SVTDRIVER

11's is extremely ambitious for only 6k but I like what you're thinking. I would say ATI procharger they are designed to run on stock motors someone let me know if I'm wrong but with that some exhaust and some tuning, minor suspension you could probably be in the high 12's or low 13's.

if you only run low 13's with an ATi, you plain out suck at driving.

03BullittClone · 01-19-2005, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue02GT

Lighten up man. I would rather go with a blower set up also, I was just being realistic about your goals and the 6 grand number. Sorry your folks won't let you use the giggle juice. Personally I would go with the mongoose kit and a beefed up rear end. If you can build the rear end up and drive it like you stole it you can hit high 11's. Just get some slicks, skinnies, dump as much weight as you can and give it hell. Also I race alot, I mean alot so you can take my word for it or some dumbass mag. that is getting paid to run a favorable article. I see blown GT's running 13's all the time at the track. Horsepower don't mean squat if you can't use it. I ran 12.89 with only 243 hp. My advice would be to use this season to set up the suspension and get really good at driving it. Get it to 12.90's without the blower. That way you will hit 11's once you get the SC.

"Horsepower don't mean squat.." if you can't put it on the pavement, THAT'S the operative phrase here. I may have been out of the game for 20 years, but one thing hasn't changed; you gotta have the suspension to handle the HP. That is why all major mods should go in this logical order:

1. Suspension.

and then

2. Drive train.

And that's that.
:cya:

01-18-2005, 10:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	What to do? Ok guys I have a big question. Next year I will have approx. $6000 to spend on performance parts. I do not want noitrous or turbos. I want a car fast enough to run high 11's that is still streetable and won't fall apart. Because of this I need ya'll to tell me what to do. Should i supercharge, remain naturally aspirited what? I want some ok durability and reliability that's why i'm cautios about supercharging but if I decide to remain natural what parts for 6000 can get me to 11's. I have thought about bennett racings crate engines, but they seem to expensive. Please tell me what parts i need to get and whether or not i can save all this worrying and just supercharge my stang. Please give me a plan of action.

01-18-2005, 10:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
03BullittClone Switching Gears.... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Suburban Chicago Posts: 215	Do? Pick up telephone, say "Hello, Kenne Bell?" __________________ Looking REAL Hard at an '06 Shelby!!!

01-18-2005, 01:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Islander03GT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Simi Valley, Ca Posts: 717	Kenne Bell S/C is the best streetable mod you could do for that money to get close to 11's. You're gonna need suspension too to get there though. __________________ John V 06 Honda Accord SE- Daily Driver 83 Jeep Cherokee W/T- Off Road Toy 02 Mineral Gray V6 Vert- Girlfriends No more: 03 GT- The Problem Child

01-18-2005, 03:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
03BullittClone Switching Gears.... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Suburban Chicago Posts: 215	Axles Splines:31 ; Axles:2 ; ah, hell, you just want to buy my car? __________________ Looking REAL Hard at an '06 Shelby!!!

01-18-2005, 04:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
03BullittClone Switching Gears.... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Suburban Chicago Posts: 215	But, Seriously, Folks... Running in the 11's is a great ambition to have. My greatest ambition right now is to make Jennifer Aniston my next wife, but I don't know how probable that is, either. For us to really help you, we need to know a few things; what year is your car, what mods do you currently have, that kind of thing. Then maybe we can give you some worthwhile advice. So, a few more details, please. __________________ Looking REAL Hard at an '06 Shelby!!!

01-18-2005, 11:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
04GTMikey Stang Maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 170	Just S/C it bro!

01-18-2005, 01:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
gtnumber2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 289	what year is your car? if its a 2v 4.6 it will be very hard n/a. you will need to go sc or even better turbo but not for 6k. 6k has to be sc.

01-18-2005, 03:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	I was looking at modularpowerhouse.com's mongoose supercharging kit that comes with a vortech or Novi 2000. Are you guys sure; even though supercharging's great and all i want my car to last more than just a couple of years. the car is an 02 mustang GT with 5-speed. If i go supercharged I will buy spline axles do i need just one or two? Also a new differential which one? And a new clutch. Also i will get tri-ax shifter, 3.73, and a sport kit from maximum motorsports. How much will the s/c install cost and don't say install it yourself because i'm not an excellent mechanic. Why do ya'll think i should go with kenne belle so much?

01-18-2005, 05:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Spike is right, 6 grand will not get you there with a supercharger. 11's can be had alot cheaper with nitrous. I have a racing buddy who runs 11.5's @ 116 with the following. 02 GT 5 speed. stock motor 4.10 gears Goodrich drag radials on Weld Draglites skinnies up front 31 spline axels pullies x pipe catback 100 shot NX kit. 4 cyl springs up front moroso springs rear SCT tune The car will go 12.90's n/a I have raced him n/a and beat him and raced when he sprayed and got destroyed. He is a good driver and does not buy useless parts. You just can't touch nitrous for bang for the buck. A Kenne Bell alone will not get you there. You will still need a couple thousand bucks worth of suspension, tires, wheels, tune, rear end etc. You can get there with a aftercooled Vortech cheaper than a Kenne Bell. Kenne Bell is a hell of a kit and can make great power all through the rpm range but they are $6,000 just for the intercooled kit alone. Good luck with whatever you decide on and have fun. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

01-18-2005, 06:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	OK well if ya'll bothered to read my reply before i told ya'll this is a plan for next year and this is an 02 GT 5 speed. Furthermore motortrend did a run with a vortech supercharged 03 GT with a max motorsports sport suspension and ran 11.89. So tell me again how i won't run 11's. I won't run nitrous because i'm under my parents roof and they aren't car people so even though i pleaded with them about nitrous they said no because that damn fast and the furious ricer movie convinced them that i would blow myself up or something but their fine with me supercharging. So maybe you guys should read my other replies before posting. Thanks

01-18-2005, 07:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Ok sorry had bad day at school. Anyways I was thinkin Eaton posi, 31 spline axles, 3.73 gears, tri-ax, stage 3 clutch, mongoose kit, and max. motorsports sport or basic suspension kit. Although i may not put in the rear end stuff until i've had the car a while and my clutch starts to go. When my stock clutch starts to go then i will replace all my rear end stuff in one swoop. I'm also looking at maybe just replacing my engine with a bennett racing engine. That will put me in the 11's and give me 375 HP alone. But a new engine is more expensive than all the stuff i listed above.

01-18-2005, 07:53 PM	#17 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Yeah but with a forged bottom end you can turn up the boost and you'll do better than high 11's. Sounds like your on the right track. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

01-18-2005, 08:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
04SVTDRIVER The more Boost the Better Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Stationed at Seymour Johnson NC Posts: 191	11's is extremely ambitious for only 6k but I like what you're thinking. I would say ATI procharger they are designed to run on stock motors someone let me know if I'm wrong but with that some exhaust and some tuning, minor suspension you could probably be in the high 12's or low 13's. __________________ 04 Screaming Yellow Cobra Go Fast/Performance: Custom 3" Header back exhaust, Custom O/R X-Pipe, Steeda Highflow's, Steeda Triax (on the way), 95mm MAF, Cold Air Intake, Predator Programming, 2.8" Pulley (ON THE WAY) Styling: Steeda shift knob, Blackout letter kit, tinted windows, Cobra grille insert

01-18-2005, 08:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
04SVTDRIVER The more Boost the Better Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Stationed at Seymour Johnson NC Posts: 191	also gears I forgot that these 4.6's are really rev happy!! __________________ 04 Screaming Yellow Cobra Go Fast/Performance: Custom 3" Header back exhaust, Custom O/R X-Pipe, Steeda Highflow's, Steeda Triax (on the way), 95mm MAF, Cold Air Intake, Predator Programming, 2.8" Pulley (ON THE WAY) Styling: Steeda shift knob, Blackout letter kit, tinted windows, Cobra grille insert

01-19-2005, 06:19 AM	#20 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Your way off dude, you can run high 12's with good driving and basic bolt on's. Just ask 02 Blue GT that guy ran 12.8 with no power adder or serious engine work. Sorry but this plan should run high 11's to low 12's not 13's.

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