just pure ugly

trnin · 05-18-2005, 12:19 AM

seeing as i have a 4.6 i think that this fits in this forum..........i raced an ss camaro, must have been about a 98....anyways i have a lightly moded 2001 gt......and i knew he would beat me, but jeezus......he got me by about 15 car lengths....he claimed to be stock...and it was embarassing.......i am a die hard mustang fan and losing that bad to an ss is a real kick in the teeth............i have 900$ and im going to spend it all on my car..........i am for sure getting 4.10's and the install kit.........and this is where the question begins.......where does the additional 600 bucks go........i am a decent wrench hand, but not a mechanical wizard by any stretch of the imagination and these are my options as i see them......the diablo predator.....an x-pipe {no catts} and headers...or the venom 1000 or 500......which one of these...or combo of these will make me embarass this ss bastard.....i need help from my mustang brethrin.... my car has the slp catback, c&l intake plenum, mac throttle body and cai....and its an auto............that is it.......thanx TRNIN :angry4:

TonyStangs · 05-18-2005, 04:35 AM

4.10s and nitrous will make him wish he never passed his road test

Ponyman460 · 05-18-2005, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyStangs

4.10s and nitrous will make him wish he never passed his road test

I agree, but I will add to that. The 4.10's , a wet kit, and a good tune. You will wish you never passed your drivers test when your **** blows up trying to beat somebody....get a good DYNO tune with the nitrous, and you will beat his ass. And maybe some DR's too....

SINFUL XEPTNCE · 05-18-2005, 04:59 AM

are you supposed to save the gold to make the rules???? seems all my gold, green, coin ,etc.. goes to my car. ha-ha. how much does a good dyno tune cost?? i need one for my '03 cobra.

Ponyman460 · 05-18-2005, 05:17 AM

just got to get more gold!

the dyno tune will vary based on your car and the facility you use. I was quoted 250 + 75/hr for dyno time. I was told on my car (NA) it prob wouldnt take more than an hour. For a blower car, it may take more

SINFUL XEPTNCE · 05-18-2005, 05:22 AM

no doubt huh!!

tripleblack · 05-18-2005, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trnin

seeing as i have a 4.6 i think that this fits in this forum..........i raced an ss camaro, must have been about a 98....anyways i have a lightly moded 2001 gt......and i knew he would beat me, but jeezus......he got me by about 15 car lengths....he claimed to be stock...and it was embarassing.......i am a die hard mustang fan and losing that bad to an ss is a real kick in the teeth............i have 900$ and im going to spend it all on my car..........i am for sure getting 4.10's and the install kit.........and this is where the question begins.......where does the additional 600 bucks go........i am a decent wrench hand, but not a mechanical wizard by any stretch of the imagination and these are my options as i see them......the diablo predator.....an x-pipe {no catts} and headers...or the venom 1000 or 500......which one of these...or combo of these will make me embarass this ss bastard.....i need help from my mustang brethrin.... my car has the slp catback, c&l intake plenum, mac throttle body and cai....and its an auto............that is it.......thanx TRNIN :angry4:

The SS probably had about 100hp more than you, even stock. Odds are he wasn't stock, meaning he had over 400 hp. If you're going up against these things, I'd recommend:

1. 4.10 gears

2. Diablo Predator - reprogram your shift points and tune for premium

3. Drag radials, wide as you can fit (MT's are best but short lived, BFG are good, as are Nitto's)

4. X-pipe w/cats (mil eliminators if you can run without cats)

5. PRACTICE (most important item)

The 5 items above should make you competitive. List will cost you about $1500 or so, depending on how much you can install yourself and whether or not you have to run cats.

Want to squish the chevy orphan bastard?

125 shot of NOS. Use Sneaky Pete if you want it hard to spot.

Got deep pockets?

Twin screw supercharger (kenne bell - 3 sizes to choose from, although you need to rebuild your block for the larger 2). Dyno tune a must, especially with nitrous.

luck

tripleblack

spike_africa · 05-18-2005, 06:04 AM

race from a dig with practice you can win. I beat a T/A with a lid and cut out with only drag radaisl an cai, off road h-pipe, and mufflers. also 4.10's and spray is a bad combo, it will just smoke your tires in 1st and 2nd you might wanna go 3.73's. me persoanly i am not even gonna do gears with my compucar 125 wet kit i have a hard time as it is with stock gears and my 275 Nittos.

tripleblack · 05-18-2005, 06:09 AM

If you don't have deep pockets, and the $1500 list isn't enough to whip the SS, consider the redneck cheat list...

Think light - real light. Remove all the speakers (these weigh a ton) and stereo equipment. Put speaker grills back in and buy $5 fake stereo front to cover the hole. Empty everything out of your trunk. Spare tire, jack, etc. Remove back seats, floor mats, etc. Empty gas tank except for 1 gallon of 100 octane racing fuel (if you have a little more money, tune the car for the racing fuel just before the race). Empty the windshield washer. Remove wipers. Remove front roll bar. If you're really desperate, remove door windows. Remove rear wing (it doesn't work, you know). Unscrew antenna. Remore passenger side mirror.

This is a case of purely substituting free time for money. You can make a difference of over 300# of dead weight. Its the redneck cheat list, and it will make you faster.

tripleblack

Blue02GT · 05-18-2005, 02:14 PM

I spent a buttload to beat those pesky LS1's and I can only beat the stockers. They are just plain faster than a GT unless it has a power adder. I think 3.90's and a 100 shot will beat most cars out there. Just be carefull to set it up safely. There was a LS1 at the track last night running 12.6's with only exhaust, gears and drag radials.

01ARM · 05-18-2005, 04:25 PM

Save... you will be glad when you get a supercharger, because you will be nearly done. Plus any future mods will yield more h/p than without the poweradder.

trnin · 05-18-2005, 07:06 PM

so specifically for 900 dollers can i get that will allow me to beat this fool............it was really bad and every time i get in my car it just keeps on poping into my head....i lost to a camaro....my car is my child and i am its parent.....well my kid just got his ass kicked in school.......i need to know if i can beat this botie bastard with that budget.....like i said...im a diehard mustang fan and losing to a chevy kills me.....please help.........god im being dramatic :angry5:

Blue03gt · 05-18-2005, 08:23 PM

gears, drag radials, 100 shot + tune = :icon_bigg because you can put down close to 500 ft lbs of Torque!!!

trnin · 05-18-2005, 10:39 PM

nitrous gives you much more hp than trq.....you will be sitting around 350 lbs of trq.........but hp would be nice too!!!

trnin · 05-19-2005, 12:23 AM

just thought i de keep yall posted....i just bought the 4.10 gears and the diablo programmer........im gonna go ahead and see what the results are.....i probably wont quite get that ss bastard with these but at least it wont be embarrassing.....p.s. ....is my next move the x-pipe???????????? :blob3:

spike_africa · 05-19-2005, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trnin

nitrous gives you much more hp than trq.....you will be sitting around 350 lbs of trq.........but hp would be nice too!!!

actully it doesnt. it gives more tourqe every time.

tripleblack · 05-19-2005, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trnin

just thought i de keep yall posted....i just bought the 4.10 gears and the diablo programmer........im gonna go ahead and see what the results are.....i probably wont quite get that ss bastard with these but at least it wont be embarrassing.....p.s. ....is my next move the x-pipe???????????? :blob3:

X pipe would be a good move about now, and if you can put it on yourself and don't need cats, you're looking at $150 or so. Bassani would be my pick (costs a bit more, but worth it for the quality).

Don't forget to lighten the load, and ask around if someone will loan/rent you some drag radials - these are really worth the trouble.

PRACTICE. You may still beat him on the tree (assuming you're at a track)

trnin · 05-20-2005, 12:42 AM

will the 4.10's and programmer get me close to this ss jerk off??? :director:

csledd · 05-20-2005, 05:29 AM

I'm not a fan of nitrous so I'll recommend 4.10s, long tubes, x pipe, tune

Btw.. i know a guy with a ls1 'maro.. he has all sorts of **** done to it, headers, slp exhaust, 3.73 gears, hypertech tune, k&n induction, and a cam.. he dynoed at about 310 rwhp.. funny thing though they said his engine has 390 so he has major driveterrain loss issues. i raced him from a roll not long ago and he only pulled a car length on me and he got the head start :shrug:

dom · 05-20-2005, 02:01 PM

only pussies lose to stock ls1s

jus jokin lol. get some nitrous. gears and bolt ons wont allow you to win

trnin · 05-21-2005, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike_africa

race from a dig with practice you can win. I beat a T/A with a lid and cut out with only drag radaisl an cai, off road h-pipe, and mufflers. also 4.10's and spray is a bad combo, it will just smoke your tires in 1st and 2nd you might wanna go 3.73's. me persoanly i am not even gonna do gears with my compucar 125 wet kit i have a hard time as it is with stock gears and my 275 Nittos.

if i do get nitrous ill only run a 50 shot........and i just bought the 4.10's and predator..........will keeping my tires still be a serious issue?????????.....im probably gonna hold off on the drag radials till i complete my exhaust

oohsoobad2 · 05-22-2005, 08:23 AM

4.10's and the Predator wont be enough to keep up with that car. Nitrous is your best bet. Im running a Zex kit on my 99 GT and I have had good luck with it. Get some N20, some Drag Radials and lower control arms to plant the tires. If you spray a 100 wet shot, you will be ok with out a tune, but any more than that and you'll need to get it on the dyno..

trnin · 05-22-2005, 07:07 PM

will the 4.10's.......prdator and a 50 shot beat the ss????

2000 STEEDA · 05-22-2005, 07:47 PM

no, you will need a 100 shot.

Blue03gt · 05-23-2005, 12:23 AM

bolt-ons, gears, and a 50 shot is enough.... if u can drive decently

05-18-2005, 12:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	just pure ugly seeing as i have a 4.6 i think that this fits in this forum..........i raced an ss camaro, must have been about a 98....anyways i have a lightly moded 2001 gt......and i knew he would beat me, but jeezus......he got me by about 15 car lengths....he claimed to be stock...and it was embarassing.......i am a die hard mustang fan and losing that bad to an ss is a real kick in the teeth............i have 900$ and im going to spend it all on my car..........i am for sure getting 4.10's and the install kit.........and this is where the question begins.......where does the additional 600 bucks go........i am a decent wrench hand, but not a mechanical wizard by any stretch of the imagination and these are my options as i see them......the diablo predator.....an x-pipe {no catts} and headers...or the venom 1000 or 500......which one of these...or combo of these will make me embarass this ss bastard.....i need help from my mustang brethrin.... my car has the slp catback, c&l intake plenum, mac throttle body and cai....and its an auto............that is it.......thanx TRNIN :angry4:

05-18-2005, 04:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
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05-18-2005, 05:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ponyman460 Post Whore Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 120	just got to get more gold! the dyno tune will vary based on your car and the facility you use. I was quoted 250 + 75/hr for dyno time. I was told on my car (NA) it prob wouldnt take more than an hour. For a blower car, it may take more __________________ -Rick 98 White Gt Words To Live By: "if you want it bad enough, go get it! "Live by the Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules!"

05-18-2005, 06:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
tripleblack Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 337	No money? No problem. If you don't have deep pockets, and the $1500 list isn't enough to whip the SS, consider the redneck cheat list... Think light - real light. Remove all the speakers (these weigh a ton) and stereo equipment. Put speaker grills back in and buy $5 fake stereo front to cover the hole. Empty everything out of your trunk. Spare tire, jack, etc. Remove back seats, floor mats, etc. Empty gas tank except for 1 gallon of 100 octane racing fuel (if you have a little more money, tune the car for the racing fuel just before the race). Empty the windshield washer. Remove wipers. Remove front roll bar. If you're really desperate, remove door windows. Remove rear wing (it doesn't work, you know). Unscrew antenna. Remore passenger side mirror. This is a case of purely substituting free time for money. You can make a difference of over 300# of dead weight. Its the redneck cheat list, and it will make you faster. tripleblack

05-18-2005, 02:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	I spent a buttload to beat those pesky LS1's and I can only beat the stockers. They are just plain faster than a GT unless it has a power adder. I think 3.90's and a 100 shot will beat most cars out there. Just be carefull to set it up safely. There was a LS1 at the track last night running 12.6's with only exhaust, gears and drag radials. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

05-18-2005, 04:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
SINFUL XEPTNCE Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: las vegas Posts: 26	are you supposed to save the gold to make the rules???? seems all my gold, green, coin ,etc.. goes to my car. ha-ha. how much does a good dyno tune cost?? i need one for my '03 cobra.

05-18-2005, 05:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
SINFUL XEPTNCE Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: las vegas Posts: 26	no doubt huh!!

05-18-2005, 06:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,205	race from a dig with practice you can win. I beat a T/A with a lid and cut out with only drag radaisl an cai, off road h-pipe, and mufflers. also 4.10's and spray is a bad combo, it will just smoke your tires in 1st and 2nd you might wanna go 3.73's. me persoanly i am not even gonna do gears with my compucar 125 wet kit i have a hard time as it is with stock gears and my 275 Nittos.

05-18-2005, 04:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
01ARM Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 64	Save... you will be glad when you get a supercharger, because you will be nearly done. Plus any future mods will yield more h/p than without the poweradder. __________________ Ford Ordinance 01ARM 2001 Anti-Rice Missle

05-18-2005, 07:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	so specifically for 900 dollers can i get that will allow me to beat this fool............it was really bad and every time i get in my car it just keeps on poping into my head....i lost to a camaro....my car is my child and i am its parent.....well my kid just got his ass kicked in school.......i need to know if i can beat this botie bastard with that budget.....like i said...im a diehard mustang fan and losing to a chevy kills me.....please help.........god im being dramatic :angry5:

05-18-2005, 08:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Blue03gt Stoplight Assassin Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Palo Alto, Ca Posts: 64	gears, drag radials, 100 shot + tune = :icon_bigg because you can put down close to 500 ft lbs of Torque!!! __________________ 2003 True Blue Mustang GT - 5 speed - Premium package - Mach1000 2x10" subs - JLT Ram Air Intake - Flowmaster 40 SS Delta Flow Mufflers - Motive 3.90 Gears w/Abbot Speedcal - Mustang Tuning Short Shifter - FRPP Shift Knob - Mach1 Chin spoiler & Grille delete 1997 Pearl White Mistubishi 3000GT VR-4 (sold) - AWD - 6speed - Twin Turbo -13.67@101mph bone stock

05-18-2005, 10:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	nitrous gives you much more hp than trq.....you will be sitting around 350 lbs of trq.........but hp would be nice too!!!

05-19-2005, 12:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	just thought i de keep yall posted....i just bought the 4.10 gears and the diablo programmer........im gonna go ahead and see what the results are.....i probably wont quite get that ss bastard with these but at least it wont be embarrassing.....p.s. ....is my next move the x-pipe???????????? :blob3:

05-20-2005, 12:42 AM	#18 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	will the 4.10's and programmer get me close to this ss jerk off??? :director:

05-20-2005, 05:29 AM	#19 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	I'm not a fan of nitrous so I'll recommend 4.10s, long tubes, x pipe, tune Btw.. i know a guy with a ls1 'maro.. he has all sorts of ** done to it, headers, slp exhaust, 3.73 gears, hypertech tune, k&n induction, and a cam.. he dynoed at about 310 rwhp.. funny thing though they said his engine has 390 so he has major driveterrain loss issues. i raced him from a roll not long ago and he only pulled a car length on me and he got the head start :shrug: __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch** - low budget project

05-20-2005, 02:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
dom whos gonna ban me next? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: baltimore, MD Posts: 1,268	only pussies lose to stock ls1s jus jokin lol. get some nitrous. gears and bolt ons wont allow you to win __________________ 2007 explorer limited procharged 2002gt sold new project: 427w c4 9" fox

05-22-2005, 08:23 AM	#22 (permalink)
oohsoobad2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	4.10's and the Predator wont be enough to keep up with that car. Nitrous is your best bet. Im running a Zex kit on my 99 GT and I have had good luck with it. Get some N20, some Drag Radials and lower control arms to plant the tires. If you spray a 100 wet shot, you will be ok with out a tune, but any more than that and you'll need to get it on the dyno..

05-22-2005, 07:07 PM	#23 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	will the 4.10's.......prdator and a 50 shot beat the ss????

05-22-2005, 07:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
2000 STEEDA Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 326	no, you will need a 100 shot. __________________ 2600 RPM Converter 4:10 gears Steeda Engine 80mm cobra MAF MAC fenderwell CAI MAC H pipe Flowmaster 40 series mufflers Steeda Brake upgrade Cross drilled rotors Oval 281 badges Spring Tech coil overs and rear shocks H&R 2" lowering springs Saleen S281 body kit Diablo chip 18" 2000 Cobra R rims

05-23-2005, 12:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
Blue03gt Stoplight Assassin Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Palo Alto, Ca Posts: 64	bolt-ons, gears, and a 50 shot is enough.... if u can drive decently __________________ 2003 True Blue Mustang GT - 5 speed - Premium package - Mach1000 2x10" subs - JLT Ram Air Intake - Flowmaster 40 SS Delta Flow Mufflers - Motive 3.90 Gears w/Abbot Speedcal - Mustang Tuning Short Shifter - FRPP Shift Knob - Mach1 Chin spoiler & Grille delete 1997 Pearl White Mistubishi 3000GT VR-4 (sold) - AWD - 6speed - Twin Turbo -13.67@101mph bone stock