Buy an exhaust..or a shotgun?

PColav6 · 03-08-2008, 06:09 PM

I've been wanting an exhaust system forever, the MAC y-pipe kit would which come to about $360 including new hangers.But I'm not in a rush to get it, it'd just be nice to be able to hear my car from time to time..lol

But since I've turned 18 I also want to buy my first firearm for myself, completely (I already have 4 which I paid for just didn't purchase myself). All of my guns are classics, wood/steel and not what I'd call practical, and I've been wanting to move into more practical firearms that you can add stuff to, figured I'd start with a shotgun since I already have 2 long arms and 2 carbines. I've settled on the Mossberg 590 Special Purpose which is basically the military's Mossberg shotgun but with a thinner barrel (military designation is 590A1). Online stores rate it at $400 but I'll probably see it at a gunshow for around $400-420 (assuming they even have one at a show). The next gunshow here is May 3rd, which is a long ways off. It's entirely possible that I'd be able to buy the exhaust and still have money for the shotgun by that time, but just in case I'd rather prioritize things.

So an exhaust, or this?

*4.6 Love* · 03-08-2008, 06:14 PM

The shotgun.....

SnTBakosFinest · 03-08-2008, 07:16 PM

why are you going to buy a shotgun that is more a less made for combat? atleast buy one to actually kill some animals man..

Plus..its ugly ;x

gotMACH04 · 03-08-2008, 07:18 PM

shotgun

PColav6 · 03-08-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest

why are you going to buy a shotgun that is more a less made for combat? atleast buy one to actually kill some animals man..

Plus..its ugly ;x

Well I love to collect firearms, military ones specifically. and I also like to do marskmanship shooting. I want something that'd be somewhat practical for home-defense situations (an m1 garand, mauser, and m1 carbine aren't ideal for that). And I want something to play around with and actually make a 'build' of (ie..mod it). I don't hunt and to be honest I'd rather shoot a person (no not like going out any killing random people...) than an animal.

How can you call this ugly? :O

SnTBakosFinest · 03-08-2008, 07:47 PM

For a shotgun..its ugly.

And if its marksmanship..theres better to go with.. as far as collecting goes.. I wouldn't collect anything from the military now..

I'd rather go with things like the m1 garand mauser, ect..from earlier war times..

Theres much more suitable things for home defense.. and what are the chances that you will actually have an opportunity for that?

Just get your exhaust bro..

PColav6 · 03-08-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest

For a shotgun..its ugly.

And if its marksmanship..theres better to go with.. as far as collecting goes.. I wouldn't collect anything from the military now..

I'd rather go with things like the m1 garand mauser, ect..from earlier war times..

Theres much more suitable things for home defense.. and what are the chances that you will actually have an opportunity for that?

Just get your exhaust bro..

What kind of shotguns are you used to looking at? The 28"+ barrel hunting ones with wood furniture?

The thing is that I've already got the old stuff, 2 of my rifles are from 1944 and one's from 1949, I'm ready to move on to more modern stuff such as AR15s and the like, but those are out of my price range right now.The only thing more suitable for a home defense firearm than a shotgun would be a pistol, but you need to be 21 to buy one. So I'm just going to wait till I'm 21 so I can get my CCL and a pistol. And it's not so much that I'm anticipating on actually having to use it to defend myself or others, just something nice to have. I know more about firearms than most people I know, I just enjoy shooting them, working on them, learning about them and understanding them. Other than that I can't tell you why I really want one, or any other type of gun that doesn't have historical merit for that matter..it's the same as any other person's hobby.

SnTBakosFinest · 03-08-2008, 08:00 PM

I would much rather prefer one with a wood stock and that is longer..there isn't much of a point to have a shot barrell.. I mean.. the only thing its meant for is to blow people apart..and i've got a .45 semi auto for home defense..

I understand you can't get a pistol yet...but..what all are you really going to be able to do to a shotgun legally... you can improve the choke strap a sling on it..and put a bayonette at the end of it..

And TBH it won't be a collectors item.. hell I would go back even further with collecting military weapons..pick up firearms from like..the civil war ect if you really want to collect..

One of the best looking wartime weapons I have seen is a British .302 .. its also fairly accurate.. the nice thing about guns that are older is you can actually do more visually to them..

PColav6 · 03-08-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest

I would much rather prefer one with a wood stock and that is longer..there isn't much of a point to have a shot barrell.. I mean.. the only thing its meant for is to blow people apart..and i've got a .45 semi auto for home defense..

I understand you can't get a pistol yet...but..what all are you really going to be able to do to a shotgun legally... you can improve the choke strap a sling on it..and put a bayonette at the end of it..

And TBH it won't be a collectors item.. hell I would go back even further with collecting military weapons..pick up firearms from like..the civil war ect if you really want to collect..

One of the best looking wartime weapons I have seen is a British .302 .. its also fairly accurate.. the nice thing about guns that are older is you can actually do more visually to them..

You can do a lot of things to tactical shotguns, there's a plethora or legal accessories (mostly not legal in California, mind you) for Mossberg 500/590s and Remington 870s, stocks, grips, shot saddles, slings, lights,optics, foregrips, rail systems, heatshields, and a bayonet if you really wanted one I guess...all kinds of crap. lol

I know a Moss 590 won't be a collector's item but it's a solid modern-era wartime shotgun to have in a military collection. Another would be a Benelli M1014 but to get the same one that's being used by the Marines would cost me over a grand.

As far as doing stuff to old guns is concerned, I'm the opposite. I would never alter a historical weapon anymore than it would have been seen during it's use in war. I put a 1907 sling on my M1 Garand, a GI sling and oiler and a GI stock magazine pouch on my Carbine and that's all I'll ever do to them. I wouldn't mind finding an authentic 10" bayonet and sheath for my Garand but they are upwards of $100.

Another plus to shotguns is that ammunition is cheap, comparatively speaking. .30-06 for my Garand is getting very expensive due to the increase in cost of brass, now it's about $8.00 for 20 rounds. I have about 400 rounds for my M1, and 300 for my carbine but that won't last long if I take some friends to range trips. I need some firearms that are cheaper economically to shoot. My .22 is still cheap to shoot but I don't really get any enjoyment out of shooting it, and the Mauser is terrible inaccurate, plus it's bolt action so not a very entertaining piece to fire. I do have about 1000 rounds for it though.

SnTBakosFinest · 03-08-2008, 08:11 PM

See you can do that. But you actually make those older weapons pretty.. looks great in a case..nothing better then seeing wood shining in a gun cabinent..

And you can do all sorts of shit to a modern shotgun (no not legal here due to retarded gun laws) but..most of it is no use to a civilian.. to each their own I guess..

I'd still go with the exhaust first though ;x

Steeda97 · 03-08-2008, 08:11 PM

the exhaust.

V6_Mustang_Power · 03-08-2008, 08:17 PM

exhaust FTW!!!!!

PColav6 · 03-08-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest

See you can do that. But you actually make those older weapons pretty.. looks great in a case..nothing better then seeing wood shining in a gun cabinent..

And you can do all sorts of shit to a modern shotgun (no not legal here due to retarded gun laws) but..most of it is no use to a civilian.. to each their own I guess..

I'd still go with the exhaust first though ;x

Well I see what you're saying with that, if I had some old rifles in great condition I'd get display cases for them to show them (but that wouldn't happen until I'm older and living on my own), but my Garand isn't exactly a looker. It's been beat to hell and saw extensive use wherever it was since Oct 1943. It has a mix of parts from all of the different companies that manufactured M1s and has mostly post-wartime features. The Carbine on the other hand is a beautiful looking firearm with perfect metal finish and wood condition, but the stock is a replacement that the Italians put on when they had them sent over after WWII, and the parkerizing on the metal was probably re-done in a military armory. It's also not configured like an early WW2 carbine, it has post-war sights and a korean-era bayonet lug, so it's historical value isn't high.

I do want a wooden cabinet with glass windows to store my classic firearms in, but in reality I'd need to get a gun safe and bolt it to my floor.

03DSG · 03-08-2008, 09:11 PM

If your going to get a pump shotgun, get an 870. Mossbergs are huge a POS, IMO of course. But every single person I know that has owned a mossberg has gotten rid of it within a year. I fired one and thought it was sloppy. I own an 870 and that gun has been to hell and back, it looks rough and used but knocks turkeys down at 50 yards without a problem. There is a reason its the #1 selling shotgun in the world. But if you want something more collectible look at an Ithaca.

01FR500 · 03-08-2008, 09:27 PM

I'd pick the exhaust, but that is becuase I have decided to never spend money on a firearm in my lifetime. My Father and I have a collection of 50+ guns, many being for left handed shooters, like my father and I. So I just can't see buying a gun, over a car part. I am obviously influenced by my own situation though. I wouldn't enjoy the Mossberg anyway.

Dream · 03-08-2008, 09:58 PM

comming from some1 in canada......guns suck. if u wanna kill somethin do it right.

BLOW IT THE FUCK UP!!!!

or u can make like turok and get a sweet bow and arrow style thing. my neighbour collects shit like that. everything from a pocket crossbow to a mini catapult. nothin that goes bang. theyre all kinda cool.

but ne ways. buy urself some claymours and rig them before u leave the house or as u go to sleep. some fuck comes in the night.........u know u got him

PColav6 · 03-08-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 03DSG

If your going to get a pump shotgun, get an 870. Mossbergs are huge a POS, IMO of course. But every single person I know that has owned a mossberg has gotten rid of it within a year. I fired one and thought it was sloppy. I own an 870 and that gun has been to hell and back, it looks rough and used but knocks turkeys down at 50 yards without a problem. There is a reason its the #1 selling shotgun in the world. But if you want something more collectible look at an Ithaca.

What kind of mossbergs were they?

I mean Rugers are tried and true guns for the most part but they have some that suck ass and I would never buy. Same can be said for any gun/car/etc company.

mustangvsix · 03-08-2008, 10:35 PM

ooh that is a tough one. Exhaust I think gets my vote although having a shotgun to go shoot shit with seems like fun.

SnTBakosFinest · 03-09-2008, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PColav6

What kind of mossbergs were they?

I mean Rugers are tried and true guns for the most part but they have some that suck ass and I would never buy. Same can be said for any gun/car/etc company.

Ya...like the fuggin P90..semi auto ruger handguns FTL.

StreetRacer · 03-09-2008, 07:47 AM

i think i would go with the exhaust...i'm a big gun guy myself but sounds like you have enough guns for now and you would have more fun with the exhaust than a shotgun that would just sit on your mantle...then again i'm buying this: http://www.impactguns.com/store/product4887.html so i'm a bit of a kook myself...i would still go with the exhaust in your case

r3dn3ck · 03-09-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 03DSG

If your going to get a pump shotgun, get an 870. Mossbergs are huge a POS, IMO of course. But every single person I know that has owned a mossberg has gotten rid of it within a year. I fired one and thought it was sloppy. I own an 870 and that gun has been to hell and back, it looks rough and used but knocks turkeys down at 50 yards without a problem. There is a reason its the #1 selling shotgun in the world. But if you want something more collectible look at an Ithaca.

Ok... I get to pull my firearms expert card here.

Rem 870 is a fine sporting arm for killing ducks but the single actuator arm from the slide to the bolt is a point of instability that's gotten a lot of cops killed over the years. You try to rack one in the 870 and twist on the handguard too much and you'll jam the gun. 870s are the number one seller because they offered the most sub-models to meet the most needs for the most years, not because of quality. I have 3 of them... I NEVER shoot them. I shoot my Benelli's or my Mossbergs.

mossberg 590 has 2 actuator arms and is built 1000x tougher in the places where stuff actually breaks in combat. A Mossberg 500 is NOT a 590 and will never be no matter how much shit you clip to it.

Ithaca M37's are fun to make slam fire but other than that they're not a safe gun for combat since you have to load through the same hole it ejects through. That's twice the possibility for a jam.

I collect guns... Here's a note, they LOSE value period. Don't invest in them... collect them and shoot the piss out of em. I have one of every model Glock ever made for civilian consumption. I shoot them all when I can.

BTW... Dunno what Ruger mishaps you've had but they've always been about the best gun for the money. I have proabably 20 Rugers or so from a converted Super Blackhawk that shoots .500 Linebaugh (fuckin ouch) down to a 4" barrel Mark 2 (Mk4BL). Every Ruger I have is not a collectible, ever Ruger I have is a tool for pokin holes that ALWAYS works. No they're not a premium brand. They make workin' guns. Treat them like workin' guns. My p95 has had over 300K rounds through it in a torture test. There was zero measurable wear to the frame or slide after the test. The only thing that needed repair was replacement of the main recoil spring.

StreetRacer · 03-09-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

Ok... I get to pull my firearms expert card here.

Rem 870 is a fine sporting arm for killing ducks but the single actuator arm from the slide to the bolt is a point of instability that's gotten a lot of cops killed over the years. You try to rack one in the 870 and twist on the handguard too much and you'll jam the gun. 870s are the number one seller because they offered the most sub-models to meet the most needs for the most years, not because of quality. I have 3 of them... I NEVER shoot them. I shoot my Benelli's or my Mossbergs.

mossberg 590 has 2 actuator arms and is built 1000x tougher in the places where stuff actually breaks in combat. A Mossberg 500 is NOT a 590 and will never be no matter how much shit you clip to it.

Ithaca M37's are fun to make slam fire but other than that they're not a safe gun for combat since you have to load through the same hole it ejects through. That's twice the possibility for a jam.

I collect guns... Here's a note, they LOSE value period. Don't invest in them... collect them and shoot the piss out of em. I have one of every model Glock ever made for civilian consumption. I shoot them all when I can.

BTW... Dunno what Ruger mishaps you've had but they've always been about the best gun for the money. I have proabably 20 Rugers or so from a converted Super Blackhawk that shoots .500 Linebaugh (fuckin ouch) down to a 4" barrel Mark 2 (Mk4BL). Every Ruger I have is not a collectible, ever Ruger I have is a tool for pokin holes that ALWAYS works. No they're not a premium brand. They make workin' guns. Treat them like workin' guns. My p95 has had over 300K rounds through it in a torture test. There was zero measurable wear to the frame or slide after the test. The only thing that needed repair was replacement of the main recoil spring.

so r3d what do you think of the one i'm buying...its really just for a goof...i just wanna piss off my bosses next time we are at the shooting range at work...plus its a cool thing to have around....novelty factor aside, what do you think of it as a gun?

http://www.impactguns.com/store/product4887.html

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PColav6 Saving for new car. lol Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 4,550	Buy an exhaust..or a shotgun? I've been wanting an exhaust system forever, the MAC y-pipe kit would which come to about $360 including new hangers.But I'm not in a rush to get it, it'd just be nice to be able to hear my car from time to time..lol But since I've turned 18 I also want to buy my first firearm for myself, completely (I already have 4 which I paid for just didn't purchase myself). All of my guns are classics, wood/steel and not what I'd call practical, and I've been wanting to move into more practical firearms that you can add stuff to, figured I'd start with a shotgun since I already have 2 long arms and 2 carbines. I've settled on the Mossberg 590 Special Purpose which is basically the military's Mossberg shotgun but with a thinner barrel (military designation is 590A1). Online stores rate it at $400 but I'll probably see it at a gunshow for around $400-420 (assuming they even have one at a show). The next gunshow here is May 3rd, which is a long ways off. It's entirely possible that I'd be able to buy the exhaust and still have money for the shotgun by that time, but just in case I'd rather prioritize things. So an exhaust, or this? __________________

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03DSG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 560	If your going to get a pump shotgun, get an 870. Mossbergs are huge a POS, IMO of course. But every single person I know that has owned a mossberg has gotten rid of it within a year. I fired one and thought it was sloppy. I own an 870 and that gun has been to hell and back, it looks rough and used but knocks turkeys down at 50 yards without a problem. There is a reason its the #1 selling shotgun in the world. But if you want something more collectible look at an Ithaca. __________________ 03 DSG 2V 5-Speed Mods: Flows, drop in airhog, SCT tune, Motive 4.10 gears (no whine) Dyno(pre-tune): 236 wrhp, not sae corrected Exterior: Mach 1 chin spoiler, Black Bullets (self done), full tint, red calipers(self done), sequential tailights, shorty antenna(self-made) Interior: auto-meter gauges(lunar series), silver center stack and door pieces (self-done, soon to be DSG).

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Dream Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 778	comming from some1 in canada......guns suck. if u wanna kill somethin do it right. BLOW IT THE FUCK UP!!!! or u can make like turok and get a sweet bow and arrow style thing. my neighbour collects shit like that. everything from a pocket crossbow to a mini catapult. nothin that goes bang. theyre all kinda cool. but ne ways. buy urself some claymours and rig them before u leave the house or as u go to sleep. some fuck comes in the night.........u know u got him

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StreetRacer Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,639	i think i would go with the exhaust...i'm a big gun guy myself but sounds like you have enough guns for now and you would have more fun with the exhaust than a shotgun that would just sit on your mantle...then again i'm buying this: http://www.impactguns.com/store/product4887.html so i'm a bit of a kook myself...i would still go with the exhaust in your case Last edited by StreetRacer : 03-09-2008 at 07:53 AM.