Chip vs. Programmer - Page 3

Shambles · 01-11-2006, 03:17 PM

XCal and XCal2 are different in that the XCal2 has a programming screen and makes it eaiser to make end user adjustments right on the programmer. The XCal you have to hook it up to the PC to make the changes. The programming files between the two tuners are the same. Actually, the programming files between the two tuners and the SCT 4-Bank chip are all the same.

Each tuner can hold up to four tunes, so getting a regular and premium octane tune is always good. Remember, the better octane tune will give you more HP because we can bump up the timing on the car.

It will help an auto regardless because it will firm up the shift points, making it shift quicker and sooner. You really feel the difference in the Auto's more than the 5-Speeds in my opinion.

WaterDR · 01-11-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MTShambles

It will help an auto regardless because it will firm up the shift points, making it shift quicker and sooner. You really feel the difference in the Auto's more than the 5-Speeds in my opinion.

I installed the older style SCT Extreme Flash Tuner on my friends 2003 GT Auto for her, and the difference was quite noticeable.

inkahootz racing · 01-22-2006, 03:18 PM

if u guys was going to start adding power to a stock 2001 mustang would u buy a tuner or a 125 nitrous kit first . any suggestions would b helpful . thanks rg

Icefreezen · 01-22-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by inkahootz racing

if u guys was going to start adding power to a stock 2001 mustang would u buy a tuner or a 125 nitrous kit first . any suggestions would b helpful . thanks rg

With a 125 shot be prepared to upgrade fuel pump and a few other things.....to be honest a tune isnt going to get you much....a 100 shot on a stock GT is almost perfect.

WaterDR · 01-22-2006, 07:20 PM

I would buy the tuner first no matter what. Why? Because it is a mod that will gorw with your car no matter what you do.

Got juice? Great, the tuner can retard your timing and richen up your fuel.

Got gears? You need the tuner to calibrate the speedo.

Got an o/r x pipe? You need the tuner too.

If you stay with a small shot (75), you can run on a stock tune depending on what system you get. But, if you want a 125 shot, you will need some type of tuning device or at least a way to retard your timing.

98-GT · 01-25-2006, 04:57 PM

So with any programmer i can pass an emissions test with off road x pipes?

xx01GTxx · 01-26-2006, 10:19 AM

I recently bought a SCT xcal2 for $380 from brenspeed.com. It came with an 87, 91, 93 and stock tune. I found it was best bang for buck. Installed it one week ago and works great. I have c&l intake plenum, 75mm BBK tb, k&n cai, meziere electric water pump and underdrive pulleys.

PureStang · 01-26-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 98-GT

So with any programmer i can pass an emissions test with off road x pipes?

no...the inspectors check to see if u have a cat visually and they can read in their computers that it as been turned off....and they also try to throw a CEL by unpluging it from the pipe...well thats wat the dude i go to does....for other people...not me... :banana:

WaterDR · 01-26-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PureStang

no...the inspectors check to see if u have a cat visually and they can read in their computers that it as been turned off....and they also try to throw a CEL by unpluging it from the pipe...well thats wat the dude i go to does....for other people...not me... :banana:

Hold the phone....

That depends on how they do emissions testing.

If they visually look for cats, then no you will not pass. If they read your ECU for egine codes, then you will pass. If they do an actual sniffer test, then you will fail.

I use cats on my car. I think it is the environmentally correct thing to do anyway.

inkahootz racing · 01-26-2006, 01:29 PM

what type of programmer would u guys suggest for a 2001 gt ? and who has the best deals ? thanks rg

xx01GTxx · 01-26-2006, 08:12 PM

i would suggest sct xcal2.....brennspeed.com has um for about 380 i think....i recently aquired one and love it

cook84 · 01-26-2006, 09:35 PM

what about the PMS Programmer....

WaterDR · 01-26-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cook84

what about the PMS Programmer....

Never heard of it.

cook84 · 01-27-2006, 03:33 AM

you can get it from Anderson Ford Motorsports it is a piggy back programmer you can tune for any mods your car has and you can change the tune if you change something on your can with without pulling and sending chips off for reburn....it cause bout a grand but it will be the last programmer mustang owners will ever need....heck go check it out at www.andersonfordmotorsport.com they have it for 4.6L and 5.4L and 5.0L and 5.8L they cover all years of the fuel injected mustang...

inkahootz racing · 01-28-2006, 04:52 AM

thanks for the info . is the sct complicated to use ? can i get my self in trouble with it ? (mis-tuning ......)

WaterDR · 01-28-2006, 06:14 AM

Most of the changes that are user controlled are not big changes to avoid getting people into trouble. Regardless, you really should not make adjustments w/o knowing what you are doing.

cook84 · 02-02-2006, 10:35 PM

so i guess no one on here has ever used or heard of one??

WaterDR · 02-03-2006, 06:57 AM

I guess not. I don't see the difference between the PMS and say a $375 Xcal. The XCal can grow with your car no matter what alterations you do to it. A tuner can email tunes to you that you can upload to your car w/o ever pulling a chip and mailing. Which, BTW, I use a chip. Why? Because a chip is the only way you can change a tune on the fly.

stock03GT(fornow) · 03-02-2006, 07:03 PM

One more programmer question for you guys .. are all the changes that are made specific to the tunes?? For example, lets say that I got a Diablo or Xcal and it came with a couple tunes that worked good for my car .. now I go and get gears. Can just plug the tuner in and say .. now I got 4.10's or do I have to get all my tunes changed to recognize the 4.10's?? The same question would be for all of those variables (rev limiter, traction control, etc)??

Thanks

PureStang · 03-02-2006, 07:20 PM

they will have to be changed manually but u yourself can do it.....u can chage pretty much any parameter on the tuners ur self....

stanger00 · 03-02-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PureStang

they will have to be changed manually but u yourself can do it.....u can chage pretty much any parameter on the tuners ur self....

unless its a custom tune. mine i can only adjust my shift pressures add a little bit of fuel take out fuel and my shift points. i never used mail order tune with the x cal. the diablo was real easy to use easier then the x cal when it comes to shift points. the x cal will shift at miles per hour while diablo sets it by rpms.

stock03GT(fornow) · 03-03-2006, 03:27 AM

^^ so you can't change your gears, or any of the other options on yours without getting another custom tune??

GT Ninja · 09-20-2006, 02:38 PM

I ended up getting an SCT SF Xcal2. Where is a good place to get additional custom tunes (not dyno tunes) for a decent price that you can download or get sent via e-mail?

WaterDR · 09-20-2006, 05:27 PM

You just need to find any SCT dealer. Mustaning Tuning, for example.

01-11-2006, 03:17 PM	#61 (permalink)
Shambles The Baninator! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Springfield, PA Posts: 2,652	XCal and XCal2 are different in that the XCal2 has a programming screen and makes it eaiser to make end user adjustments right on the programmer. The XCal you have to hook it up to the PC to make the changes. The programming files between the two tuners are the same. Actually, the programming files between the two tuners and the SCT 4-Bank chip are all the same. Each tuner can hold up to four tunes, so getting a regular and premium octane tune is always good. Remember, the better octane tune will give you more HP because we can bump up the timing on the car. It will help an auto regardless because it will firm up the shift points, making it shift quicker and sooner. You really feel the difference in the Auto's more than the 5-Speeds in my opinion. __________________ Chris "Shambles" Chamblee

01-22-2006, 07:20 PM	#65 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,304	I would buy the tuner first no matter what. Why? Because it is a mod that will gorw with your car no matter what you do. Got juice? Great, the tuner can retard your timing and richen up your fuel. Got gears? You need the tuner to calibrate the speedo. Got an o/r x pipe? You need the tuner too. If you stay with a small shot (75), you can run on a stock tune depending on what system you get. But, if you want a 125 shot, you will need some type of tuning device or at least a way to retard your timing. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

01-26-2006, 10:19 AM	#67 (permalink)
xx01GTxx Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Loganville, Georgia Posts: 4	good price for xcal2 I recently bought a SCT xcal2 for $380 from brenspeed.com. It came with an 87, 91, 93 and stock tune. I found it was best bang for buck. Installed it one week ago and works great. I have c&l intake plenum, 75mm BBK tb, k&n cai, meziere electric water pump and underdrive pulleys.

01-26-2006, 08:12 PM	#71 (permalink)
xx01GTxx Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Loganville, Georgia Posts: 4	sct xcal2 i would suggest sct xcal2.....brennspeed.com has um for about 380 i think....i recently aquired one and love it __________________ 2001 GT c&l intake plenum, 75mm BBK tb, k&n cai, march underdrive pulleys, meziere electric waterpump, sct xcal2

01-28-2006, 06:14 AM	#76 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,304	Most of the changes that are user controlled are not big changes to avoid getting people into trouble. Regardless, you really should not make adjustments w/o knowing what you are doing. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

01-22-2006, 03:18 PM	#63 (permalink)
inkahootz racing back in black (2001gt) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: houston indiana Posts: 6	if u guys was going to start adding power to a stock 2001 mustang would u buy a tuner or a 125 nitrous kit first . any suggestions would b helpful . thanks rg

01-25-2006, 04:57 PM	#66 (permalink)
98-GT Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 56	So with any programmer i can pass an emissions test with off road x pipes?

01-26-2006, 01:29 PM	#70 (permalink)
inkahootz racing back in black (2001gt) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: houston indiana Posts: 6	what type of programmer would u guys suggest for a 2001 gt ? and who has the best deals ? thanks rg

01-26-2006, 09:35 PM	#72 (permalink)
cook84 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Searcy, AR Posts: 3	what about the PMS Programmer....

01-27-2006, 03:33 AM	#74 (permalink)
cook84 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Searcy, AR Posts: 3	you can get it from Anderson Ford Motorsports it is a piggy back programmer you can tune for any mods your car has and you can change the tune if you change something on your can with without pulling and sending chips off for reburn....it cause bout a grand but it will be the last programmer mustang owners will ever need....heck go check it out at www.andersonfordmotorsport.com they have it for 4.6L and 5.4L and 5.0L and 5.8L they cover all years of the fuel injected mustang...

01-28-2006, 04:52 AM	#75 (permalink)
inkahootz racing back in black (2001gt) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: houston indiana Posts: 6	thanks for the info . is the sct complicated to use ? can i get my self in trouble with it ? (mis-tuning ......)

02-02-2006, 10:35 PM	#77 (permalink)
cook84 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Searcy, AR Posts: 3	so i guess no one on here has ever used or heard of one??

02-03-2006, 06:57 AM	#78 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,304	I guess not. I don't see the difference between the PMS and say a $375 Xcal. The XCal can grow with your car no matter what alterations you do to it. A tuner can email tunes to you that you can upload to your car w/o ever pulling a chip and mailing. Which, BTW, I use a chip. Why? Because a chip is the only way you can change a tune on the fly. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

03-02-2006, 07:03 PM	#79 (permalink)
stock03GT(fornow) Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22	One more programmer question for you guys .. are all the changes that are made specific to the tunes?? For example, lets say that I got a Diablo or Xcal and it came with a couple tunes that worked good for my car .. now I go and get gears. Can just plug the tuner in and say .. now I got 4.10's or do I have to get all my tunes changed to recognize the 4.10's?? The same question would be for all of those variables (rev limiter, traction control, etc)?? Thanks

03-02-2006, 07:20 PM	#80 (permalink)
PureStang WE ARE PENNSTATE Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Downingtown/West Chester, PA Posts: 4,418	they will have to be changed manually but u yourself can do it.....u can chage pretty much any parameter on the tuners ur self.... __________________ Brandon J My Ride sig by purestang

03-03-2006, 03:27 AM	#82 (permalink)
stock03GT(fornow) Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22	^^ so you can't change your gears, or any of the other options on yours without getting another custom tune??

09-20-2006, 02:38 PM	#83 (permalink)
GT Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The hard streets of Cali! Posts: 125	I ended up getting an SCT SF Xcal2. Where is a good place to get additional custom tunes (not dyno tunes) for a decent price that you can download or get sent via e-mail? __________________ 2003 Stealth Mustang GT Parts List:

09-20-2006, 05:27 PM	#84 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,304	You just need to find any SCT dealer. Mustaning Tuning, for example. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email