Alright Time for gears!!!

Blue Thunder · 05-03-2006, 09:05 PM

Ok so i went to the track tonight although the track was prepped badly and all and it was hot i still ran very badly. I'm sick of it so i'm gonna get gears this summer. I'm prolly gonna get 3:73 or 3:90 but i wanna use FRPP gears i will likely go with the 3:73's. My question is with 22,000 miles on my car do i need to buy the master bearing kit or should i just purchase the installation kit? Also what do i need to do to get my Xcal 2 reflashed for the gear change? Also should i buy three quarts of the royal purple gear oil? These are my questions. I've made up my mind to not go with 4:10's so don't ry an change my mind i do to much highway driving. It's either likely gonna be FRPP 3:73's or MAYBE Motive 3:90's but i think i'm gonna go with FRPP. I'm tired of embarrasing myself at the track dammit.

MattJ · 05-03-2006, 09:07 PM

motive 390s with 2 quarts of gear fluid. i used the install kit at 40k and i was fine so its up to you with what you want. a lot of people say get bearing kit for cheap insurance.

Blue Thunder · 05-03-2006, 09:10 PM

I heard that motive performance gears were not great quality though. I've always heard FRPP makes the best gears for stangs. So i need two quarts gear oil not three? Once again how do i get my tune changed on my Xcal. 2? Do i mail it back to MT or do they email me a tune or what?

MattJ · 05-03-2006, 09:11 PM

you can edit the tune yourself when loading your tune. yopu just goto custom user adjustments and itll be in there. I have motive 3.90s in mine and they work absolutely fine with zero problems.

mcmmotorsports · 05-04-2006, 04:05 AM

Almost 2 years with Motive 4.10's in my 04 GT with NO PROBLEMS and I have been S/C'd for 10,000 miles too. Nothing wrong with Motive gears AT ALL.
Soon you will realize that not everything you read on teh intraweb is the truth.

Saleen S330 · 05-04-2006, 04:21 AM

I've used motive and FRP and they're both great.

csledd · 05-04-2006, 05:56 AM

hey.. all I do is highway driving and I have 4.10 gears and cams..

it's not the highway driving that gets you.. its the stop and go traffic.

mcmmotorsports · 05-04-2006, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csledd

hey.. all I do is highway driving and I have 4.10 gears and cams..

it's not the highway driving that gets you.. its the stop and go traffic.

He already said he made up his mind NOT to go with 4.10's. That is why I said nothing about how great the 4.10's are, even on the highway.

csledd · 05-04-2006, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mcmmotorsports

He already said he made up his mind NOT to go with 4.10's. That is why I said nothing about how great the 4.10's are, even on the highway.

lol.. I almost went with 3.73's and I'm 239846792347x glad I didn't, it was worth trying lol.

but yeah.. you wont need the bearing kit, and probably not the install kit if you end up using FRPP. Im not sure what all the motive gears comes with.

mcmmotorsports · 05-04-2006, 06:34 AM

I can't believe I forgot about this video.

Keep in mind I am NOT trying to change your mind. Just trying to give you some good FACTS!

Right Click, Save As:
http://www.mcmmotorsports.com/mpg.wmv

matrixpuba · 05-04-2006, 08:03 AM

i would get the frpp gears and master rebuild kit. if you have extra money i would go 31 spline. i got everything shipped from steve on svtperformance for around 500 bucks(frpp gears, cobra trac-lok, axles,girdle, master rebuild kit)

*03gtmustang* · 05-04-2006, 10:50 AM

http://www.mustangboards.com/general...ar-thread.html

RCTrucker7 · 05-04-2006, 11:57 AM

Off Topic, I know, and apologize for, but I just had to say;

MCMMOTORSPORTS: That's one bad-ass sig pic.

mcmmotorsports · 05-04-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RCTrucker7

Off Topic, I know, and apologize for, but I just had to say;

MCMMOTORSPORTS: That's one bad-ass sig pic.

Why thank you. I didn't make it though.

Blue Thunder · 05-04-2006, 06:32 PM

Ok maybe i decided prematurely on my gear ratio. I do quite a bit of highway driving, but i also do tons of stop and go driving from streetlights so...... I wanna get a good bang for my buck but i cannot afford to lose gas mileage or else my parents will eat my car! So once again i'm now leanin towards 3.90's. Tell me pros and cons of 4.10's please. Also maybe pro's and cons of 3.73 and 3.90 gears. Thanks for the video by the way.

Zaff03GT · 05-04-2006, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03gtmustang

http://www.mustangboards.com/general...ar-thread.html

go there, it will tell u everything you need to know

Blue Thunder · 05-04-2006, 10:03 PM

Ok so i kust read everyhting in the Official Gear Thread and my questions are not answered. Once again what are the cons of 4.10's, 3.90's, and 3.73's and if you have one of those ratios in your car tell me why you chose that ratio over the others. I do an equal amount of highway and stop and go traffic daily so i need a reasonable gear ratio that won't hurt my gas mileage to badly. Thanks

mcmmotorsports · 05-05-2006, 03:21 AM

I will be brutally honest here. If you are that concerned over gas mileage, you need a 4 cyl daily driver. Stop and go driving with WHATEVER ratio is going to kill you MPG's. Only with hwy driving at a constant RPM will you see GOOD mileage out of a Mustang. Gears won't really help that. If your choices are between 3.90's and 4.10's, do the 4.10's. It is NOT that much of a difference MPG wise. I get between 17-19 MPG stop and go around town. I can squeeze out 21-22 if I shift before 2,000 RPM's and keep it under 55. I know with the sudden increase in fuel costs, it is making fuel mileage a bigger concern for many people. I just learn to live with it because it is something I have no control over. Now, if it was creating a hardship trying to get around town, I would buy me a scooter and be done with it. Either way, keep searching for 5 spd people that HAVE 4.10's and see how many of them love 'em. Again, I said look for people that HAVE them, not people that think they know about them. One last point, N/A my car ran a 13.65 in the 1/4 with the 4.10's just hitting redline as I crossed the line in 4th gear. That was with a crappy 2.05 60 ft. No times yet with my S/C cause I need some slicks or D/R's.
Good luck with whatever you decide.

RCTrucker7 · 05-05-2006, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

Ok so i kust read everyhting in the Official Gear Thread and my questions are not answered. Once again what are the cons of 4.10's, 3.90's, and 3.73's...

I'm not by any means a "do it yourselfer" when it comes to cars, as I just don't have the knowledge base (yet :clap: ) so this info is basically just a relaying of stuff I found out/was told when I was looking into 4.10's.

The main thing that was mentioned over and over, and this was usually a con when measured against daily-driving, was that you essentially took 1st gear out of the driving equation because you had to shift so fast into 2nd, and even 2nd wasn't that forgiving in the "up-shift NOW!" department, so if you lingered to long in those gears you would be reving high all the time, thereby burning up a bunch of gas.

The other thing was the constant up-shifting/down-shifting if you were in a bumper-to-bumper type traffic situation. That gets to be a pain in the ass after awhile. Not to mention in the knee for those of us that have had knee surgery before.

*Lances03SVT* · 05-05-2006, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csledd

lol.. I almost went with 3.73's and I'm 239846792347x glad I didn't, it was worth trying lol.

but yeah.. you wont need the bearing kit, and probably not the install kit if you end up using FRPP. Im not sure what all the motive gears comes with.

Had 3:73's and can't believe how much better the 4:10's are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Lances03SVT* · 05-05-2006, 02:54 PM

Also I think I get better gas mileage on the highway now than with the 3:73's.In town I'm not sure,can't keep my foot out of it long enough to be able to tell!!

Blue Thunder · 05-05-2006, 03:22 PM

Ok well sounds good i'm down to 3.90's or 4.10's. How bout you MattJ? Why did you go with 3.90's over 4.10's?

05-03-2006, 09:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Alright Time for gears!!! Ok so i went to the track tonight although the track was prepped badly and all and it was hot i still ran very badly. I'm sick of it so i'm gonna get gears this summer. I'm prolly gonna get 3:73 or 3:90 but i wanna use FRPP gears i will likely go with the 3:73's. My question is with 22,000 miles on my car do i need to buy the master bearing kit or should i just purchase the installation kit? Also what do i need to do to get my Xcal 2 reflashed for the gear change? Also should i buy three quarts of the royal purple gear oil? These are my questions. I've made up my mind to not go with 4:10's so don't ry an change my mind i do to much highway driving. It's either likely gonna be FRPP 3:73's or MAYBE Motive 3:90's but i think i'm gonna go with FRPP. I'm tired of embarrasing myself at the track dammit. __________________ Bullitt Mods: 4.10 's , Magnaflow Catback, Prochamber (OR), BBK Ceramic Lt's, Custom Tune, MGW Short Throw, SLP Line Lok, MM LCA's, MM XL SFC's, MRT CAI, Steeda UDP'S, Tokicko Illuminas, Steeda Sport Springs, MM CC Plates, X2 Balljoint, Bumpsteer Kit, MSD Coilpacks, Eaton LSD, 31 Mosers, Spec stage 2 clutch, Spec steel flywheel, M/T DR's. Cervini's RA Hood, 04 Cobra F. Bumper, 18" Bullitt Wheels, 20% Tint, HID Kit, Smoked Headlights, Painted interior trim(DHG), Seq. Tailights, Billett Stuff.

05-03-2006, 09:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	motive 390s with 2 quarts of gear fluid. i used the install kit at 40k and i was fine so its up to you with what you want. a lot of people say get bearing kit for cheap insurance. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

05-03-2006, 09:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	I heard that motive performance gears were not great quality though. I've always heard FRPP makes the best gears for stangs. So i need two quarts gear oil not three? Once again how do i get my tune changed on my Xcal. 2? Do i mail it back to MT or do they email me a tune or what? __________________ Bullitt Mods: 4.10 's , Magnaflow Catback, Prochamber (OR), BBK Ceramic Lt's, Custom Tune, MGW Short Throw, SLP Line Lok, MM LCA's, MM XL SFC's, MRT CAI, Steeda UDP'S, Tokicko Illuminas, Steeda Sport Springs, MM CC Plates, X2 Balljoint, Bumpsteer Kit, MSD Coilpacks, Eaton LSD, 31 Mosers, Spec stage 2 clutch, Spec steel flywheel, M/T DR's. Cervini's RA Hood, 04 Cobra F. Bumper, 18" Bullitt Wheels, 20% Tint, HID Kit, Smoked Headlights, Painted interior trim(DHG), Seq. Tailights, Billett Stuff.

05-03-2006, 09:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	you can edit the tune yourself when loading your tune. yopu just goto custom user adjustments and itll be in there. I have motive 3.90s in mine and they work absolutely fine with zero problems. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

05-04-2006, 04:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
mcmmotorsports One Bad Mother Trucker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Eastern, NC Posts: 2,773	Almost 2 years with Motive 4.10's in my 04 GT with NO PROBLEMS and I have been S/C'd for 10,000 miles too. Nothing wrong with Motive gears AT ALL. Soon you will realize that not everything you read on teh intraweb is the truth. __________________

05-04-2006, 04:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	I've used motive and FRP and they're both great.

05-04-2006, 05:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	hey.. all I do is highway driving and I have 4.10 gears and cams.. it's not the highway driving that gets you.. its the stop and go traffic. __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

05-04-2006, 06:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
mcmmotorsports One Bad Mother Trucker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Eastern, NC Posts: 2,773	I can't believe I forgot about this video. Keep in mind I am NOT trying to change your mind. Just trying to give you some good FACTS! Right Click, Save As: http://www.mcmmotorsports.com/mpg.wmv __________________

05-04-2006, 08:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
matrixpuba Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tennessee Posts: 1,103	i would get the frpp gears and master rebuild kit. if you have extra money i would go 31 spline. i got everything shipped from steve on svtperformance for around 500 bucks(frpp gears, cobra trac-lok, axles,girdle, master rebuild kit)

05-04-2006, 10:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
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05-04-2006, 06:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Ok maybe i decided prematurely on my gear ratio. I do quite a bit of highway driving, but i also do tons of stop and go driving from streetlights so...... I wanna get a good bang for my buck but i cannot afford to lose gas mileage or else my parents will eat my car! So once again i'm now leanin towards 3.90's. Tell me pros and cons of 4.10's please. Also maybe pro's and cons of 3.73 and 3.90 gears. Thanks for the video by the way. __________________ Bullitt Mods: 4.10 's , Magnaflow Catback, Prochamber (OR), BBK Ceramic Lt's, Custom Tune, MGW Short Throw, SLP Line Lok, MM LCA's, MM XL SFC's, MRT CAI, Steeda UDP'S, Tokicko Illuminas, Steeda Sport Springs, MM CC Plates, X2 Balljoint, Bumpsteer Kit, MSD Coilpacks, Eaton LSD, 31 Mosers, Spec stage 2 clutch, Spec steel flywheel, M/T DR's. Cervini's RA Hood, 04 Cobra F. Bumper, 18" Bullitt Wheels, 20% Tint, HID Kit, Smoked Headlights, Painted interior trim(DHG), Seq. Tailights, Billett Stuff.

05-04-2006, 10:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Ok so i kust read everyhting in the Official Gear Thread and my questions are not answered. Once again what are the cons of 4.10's, 3.90's, and 3.73's and if you have one of those ratios in your car tell me why you chose that ratio over the others. I do an equal amount of highway and stop and go traffic daily so i need a reasonable gear ratio that won't hurt my gas mileage to badly. Thanks __________________ Bullitt Mods: 4.10 's , Magnaflow Catback, Prochamber (OR), BBK Ceramic Lt's, Custom Tune, MGW Short Throw, SLP Line Lok, MM LCA's, MM XL SFC's, MRT CAI, Steeda UDP'S, Tokicko Illuminas, Steeda Sport Springs, MM CC Plates, X2 Balljoint, Bumpsteer Kit, MSD Coilpacks, Eaton LSD, 31 Mosers, Spec stage 2 clutch, Spec steel flywheel, M/T DR's. Cervini's RA Hood, 04 Cobra F. Bumper, 18" Bullitt Wheels, 20% Tint, HID Kit, Smoked Headlights, Painted interior trim(DHG), Seq. Tailights, Billett Stuff.

05-05-2006, 03:21 AM	#18 (permalink)
mcmmotorsports One Bad Mother Trucker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Eastern, NC Posts: 2,773	I will be brutally honest here. If you are that concerned over gas mileage, you need a 4 cyl daily driver. Stop and go driving with WHATEVER ratio is going to kill you MPG's. Only with hwy driving at a constant RPM will you see GOOD mileage out of a Mustang. Gears won't really help that. If your choices are between 3.90's and 4.10's, do the 4.10's. It is NOT that much of a difference MPG wise. I get between 17-19 MPG stop and go around town. I can squeeze out 21-22 if I shift before 2,000 RPM's and keep it under 55. I know with the sudden increase in fuel costs, it is making fuel mileage a bigger concern for many people. I just learn to live with it because it is something I have no control over. Now, if it was creating a hardship trying to get around town, I would buy me a scooter and be done with it. Either way, keep searching for 5 spd people that HAVE 4.10's and see how many of them love 'em. Again, I said look for people that HAVE them, not people that think they know about them. One last point, N/A my car ran a 13.65 in the 1/4 with the 4.10's just hitting redline as I crossed the line in 4th gear. That was with a crappy 2.05 60 ft. No times yet with my S/C cause I need some slicks or D/R's. Good luck with whatever you decide. __________________

05-05-2006, 02:54 PM	#21 (permalink)
Lances03SVT Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Carthage, Missouri Posts: 9,219	Also I think I get better gas mileage on the highway now than with the 3:73's.In town I'm not sure,can't keep my foot out of it long enough to be able to tell!! __________________ _______________________ 2003 Cobra SOLD

05-05-2006, 03:22 PM	#22 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Ok well sounds good i'm down to 3.90's or 4.10's. How bout you MattJ? Why did you go with 3.90's over 4.10's?