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tigerfan2771 01-19-2008 09:57 PM

mid-high 14's??
 
alright so i am going to the track in a few weeks and i am just wondering what kind of timeslips i can expect. i have an 02 auto v6 with some 18 by 9 chrome saleen rims. as far as performance mods:

flowmaster dual exhaust
bbk chrome shorty headers
sct livewire with a custom tune
4.10 gears with a posi-trac
precision industries 3000 stall torque converter
j-mod
maximum motorsports rear lower control arms

so with the above mentioned what kind of times should i see? im hoping to break into the 14's.

stangcharger 01-19-2008 10:11 PM

low 15's most more than likely.

14's are possible though.

you really need a UDP for me to say 14's for sure.

ill say 14's though. that stall should make up ground.

tigerfan2771 01-19-2008 10:22 PM

thats what im hoping to get. is there anything else small that i can do while my mechanic has the transmission down that would help? aluminum driveshaft? or better flexplate?

stangcharger 01-19-2008 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by tigerfan2771 (Post 304336)
thats what im hoping to get. is there anything else small that i can do while my mechanic has the transmission down that would help? aluminum driveshaft? or better flexplate?

not really aluminum drive shaft isnt worth it.

stangcharger 01-19-2008 10:32 PM

what tires on on the back?

and put your 15's on the front plz.

cause if you have 18's all around ill say youll go mid 15's if not high 15's.

tigerfan2771 01-20-2008 09:45 AM

i have toyo proxes 4 tires all around. i think the specs are 225/45/18-not positive though. i still dont see how the 18's can slow the car down almost a whole second??

mustangvsix 01-20-2008 11:32 AM

if you are running a 225 tire on a 18*9 rim, you are really stretching that tire. Even ford puts a 245 tire on a 17*8 rim. But stangcharger is right, if you use your stock tires, at least on the front, you will more then likely run faster.

WaterDR 01-20-2008 12:16 PM

Those tires and rims are like running with an anchor on that car. Eventhough, I would run it the way you have it setup. After all, that is how you drive it.

The 4,10's and especially that converter are your biggest friend, but even so, I would be a bit surprised if it ran in thre 14's. Not out of the question, but be prepared....you may be all the way into the mid 15's.

Just run it and see how you do, then tell us about it.

v6'stang 01-20-2008 03:46 PM

on my buddies g-tech i ran mid 15's and all i had on the car was a bbk cai and dual flow's. but it's a 5spd. even still, i think he's got a good chance of hittin' a high 14 if he drives it like he stole it.

WaterDR 01-20-2008 04:17 PM

Well, all he has to do is stomp on the gas....the car will do the rest.

tigerfan2771 01-20-2008 09:10 PM

well i dont normally like to make stupid comparisons but oh well. ive raced a couple of gt's the same year(s) as mine as well as my friend's 2006 chevy ss intimidator. we got up to about 60mph but i didnt want to go much over that on the street. it was pretty much dead even the whole way. if im correct, those are both 14 second cars. and i have yet to install the torque converter, j-mod, and lca's. i hope that between those three mods i can drop about .3 seconds. im just worried that my car is gonna die off once i hit that fourth gear.

tigerfan2771 01-20-2008 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by mustangvsix (Post 304406)
if you are running a 225 tire on a 18*9 rim, you are really stretching that tire. Even ford puts a 245 tire on a 17*8 rim. But stangcharger is right, if you use your stock tires, at least on the front, you will more then likely run faster.

sry about that. i just checked and they are 245/40/18. does that help me any?

stangcharger 01-21-2008 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by tigerfan2771 (Post 304388)
i have toyo proxes 4 tires all around. i think the specs are 225/45/18-not positive though. i still dont see how the 18's can slow the car down almost a whole second??

beleive it....

from the stock 15in rims to just regular 17in by 8in the guy lost .5 in the quarter. that is half a second. he put his stock rims and tires back on and gained that half back.

with your 18's i would imagine a lose of .7 in the 1/4.

you have to remember for every +10lbs of rotating mass, you lose .1 in the 1/4. add your rims and tires up over what you had i bet you gained 50+lbs if not 60+lbs.

put your stock rims back on at the track or atleast the front ones.

stangcharger 01-21-2008 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by tigerfan2771 (Post 304476)
well i dont normally like to make stupid comparisons but oh well. ive raced a couple of gt's the same year(s) as mine as well as my friend's 2006 chevy ss intimidator. we got up to about 60mph but i didnt want to go much over that on the street. it was pretty much dead even the whole way. if im correct, those are both 14 second cars. and i have yet to install the torque converter, j-mod, and lca's. i hope that between those three mods i can drop about .3 seconds. im just worried that my car is gonna die off once i hit that fourth gear.

the driver of the GT needs to learn how to drive then unless it is an auto/convertable. standard Gt's of your year should be in the low 14's. or atleast under a 14.5 mark, if you raced him with your 18's on and stayed dead even, that GT has some serious problems.

tigerfan2771 01-22-2008 08:13 AM

the gt was an auto. im also thinking about throwing on some asp 25% underdrive pullies. i can do an aluminum driveshaft as well while im getting the torque converter installed. will the aluminum driveshaft help me at all?? ive heard it can knock off around .1-.2 on the quarter.

i have yet to install the torque converter, j-mod, and lca's. i just dont see how 14's arent possible. ive even raced a couple of 99-04 v6's just to see where i stood. one was an auto and the other a 5-speed. they both had dual exhaust. i smoked the hell out of both of them up to around 65mph!!

stangcharger 01-22-2008 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by tigerfan2771 (Post 304693)
the gt was an auto. im also thinking about throwing on some asp 25% underdrive pullies. i can do an aluminum driveshaft as well while im getting the torque converter installed. will the aluminum driveshaft help me at all?? ive heard it can knock off around .1-.2 on the quarter.

i have yet to install the torque converter, j-mod, and lca's. i just dont see how 14's arent possible. ive even raced a couple of 99-04 v6's just to see where i stood. one was an auto and the other a 5-speed. they both had dual exhaust. i smoked the hell out of both of them up to around 65mph!!

aluminum drive shaft wont do anything worth the money. id say .1

take your 18's off and you'll smoke them even worse. i have 17's on atm and i can tell a night and day difference with my stokc 15's on.

Try it. you'll see.

Joyrider564 01-22-2008 09:02 AM

One off the wall question too.... what altitude are you at there? Im at a mile high and full bolt on 03/04 Cobras have trouble breaking into the twelves. Bolt on 99-04 GT run low 14s. Just something else to take into consideration...

At least I do... with my 7000ft DA's and all :(

tigerfan2771 01-22-2008 09:12 AM

well i live in new orleans where we are way below sea level. the track that i will be bringing my car to lists the altitude at 12ft above sea level. would this help me out very much?

i know that putting my stock rims will be an obvious difference but there is a reason that i spent over $1500 on rims/tires-i wanted my car to look nice. i dno, maybe its just me, but i feel like my car is a lot faster than a mid 15 second car even now.

stanger00 01-22-2008 09:14 AM

18's do slow you down. i have a auto and when it was N/A i ran 14.0 secs in the quarter and when i switched to the 17's i would run 13.5's all day hot lapping. thats my comparison

tigerfan2771 01-22-2008 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by stanger00 (Post 304706)
18's do slow you down. i have a auto and when it was N/A i ran 14.0 secs in the quarter and when i switched to the 17's i would run 13.5's all day hot lapping. thats my comparison

well im not saying that the 18's dont slow me down tremendously in the quarter. and what mods did you have running 14.0's n/a on 18's?

stanger00 01-22-2008 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by tigerfan2771 (Post 304712)
well im not saying that the 18's dont slow me down tremendously in the quarter. and what mods did you have running 14.0's n/a on 18's?

half a second is not tremendous....

forgot to mention that my car is a GT and the only mods i had back then were 70mm TB and magnaflow cat back.

tigerfan2771 01-22-2008 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by stanger00 (Post 304713)
half a second is not tremendous....

forgot to mention that my car is a GT and the only mods i had back then were 70mm TB and magnaflow cat back.

well for someone who is trying to get into the 14's, half a second is tremendous. just out of curiosity, is your car an auto or a 5-speed?

stanger00 01-22-2008 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by tigerfan2771 (Post 304716)
well for someone who is trying to get into the 14's, half a second is tremendous. just out of curiosity, is your car an auto or a 5-speed?


Originally Posted by stanger00 (Post 304706)
18's do slow you down. i have a auto and when it was N/A i ran 14.0 secs in the quarter and when i switched to the 17's i would run 13.5's all day hot lapping. thats my comparison


stangcharger 01-22-2008 10:22 AM

and it will even do worse than it did to his GT. GT's have torque from being a v8. the v6's dont have much torque unless you get into the 4.2L truck motor then it has torque.

So without the torque to drive those massive 18's your car will prolly loose in the neighborhood of .7-.9 in the 1/4 mile. and please quote me on that.

i run 17's and whish i had 15's that could hold the tire i need for my HP.

WikidStang 01-22-2008 02:20 PM

i have 18's on mine and I have a lot better pick up than my stock set up ever had. i have 275 on the back thinking about going a little wider though.

tigerfan2771 01-22-2008 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by WikidStang (Post 304749)
i have 18's on mine and I have a lot better pick up than my stock set up ever had. i have 275 on the back thinking about going a little wider though.

do you have chrome rims? and have you ever run it on the quarter mile? if so, what is your et?

v6'stang 01-22-2008 04:19 PM

so do u kno when ur going to take it to the track? i'm kinda curious to see how it's gonna do.

tigerfan2771 01-22-2008 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by v6'stang (Post 304785)
so do u kno when ur going to take it to the track? i'm kinda curious to see how it's gonna do.

not totally sure yet. im still waiting to install my torque converter and j-mod. after that im gonna see what remains of my winter break savings and i might get pullies, transmission cooler, aluminum driveshaft, and lca's!!

i know you guys have been around v6 mustangs more than me and have more experience racing, but my car is a hell of a lot faster then it was stock, even with the 18's. even when i put them on, i didnt really feel that much of a difference. and i feel that with the torque converter,j-mod, and probably lca's, i can cut off another .4 of the quarter. but that might be my noob experience!!

stanger00 01-22-2008 08:34 PM

transmission cooler is a MUST with a torque converter. with that stall slipping your going to cook your tranny. 60 bucks is a lot better than 1500-2000 bucks.

stangcharger 01-23-2008 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by tigerfan2771 (Post 304775)
do you have chrome rims? and have you ever run it on the quarter mile? if so, what is your et?

WORD!!

i run 17's with a 275in drag radial on the back. i guarantee you dont need bigger tires.

again put your stock tires back on. im not saying traction isnt better with bigger tires, but acceleration is.

and for yall's mods those huge rims and tires arent needed for traction.

I went 14.8 @ 95mph with stock rims and a 225in rear street tire. and that was with bolt-ons. did a 2.1 60ft not great but good for the tire out back.

upping the rims size for looks on a v6 mustang and also wanting it fast is the worst thing to do. you'll lose minimum of half a sec and have to make that up with other mods.


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