Venom Users come in...
 

Thinkin about purchasing this http://americanmuscle.com/vevcn10nikit.html once my car is rebuilt...

So few questions...

I want something that is safe... this is most important
I would also like to rig it to inject the nitrous at a certain RPM window, possible?

Your experience?
Hear anything bad about it?

Installation?

etc?

Kinda scared to put nitrous in... don't want to kill the motor... which is bone stock other then filter, and exhaust (headers back) With 75,000 miles...

If you cant afford to rebuild a motor then a power adder might not be for you. its really not that scary at all you just get yourself a good fuel pump some saftey items and you really wont have to worry much. Think of how many people use nitrous and how little the claims of blown motors from it are.

Other then those words any nitrous kit can be used with a "window switch" like MSd's digital one or old "pill style" and be set to turn on the nitrous at certine rpms and off at another rpm. My only other comment is you have a 5.0 and they love a good amount of nitrous and i would recomend the Nitrous works wet kit that comes with a spray bar that goes between the upper manifold and the TB. I have to freinds that use this on there 5.0's and they make good power and seem to be good at atomoizong the fuel and nitrous well.

check it out:
http://www.barrygrant.com/nitrous/default.aspx?page=94

I can afford to build a motor... I just don't want to for a daily driver...

That kit is only made for smallblocks up to '93... ^^^ or am I mistaken?

I brought up the idea of nitrous a while back... and 4 of 5 people right off the bat said VENOM...

But I don't know nuttin bout this silly laughing gas

I persoanly dont like dry kits very much. I would rather have the nitrous kit add the fuel then have to upgrade other parts to get the fuel i need for my nitrous kit. That kit will work on your car with the SN95 intake adaptor that they use when installing other manifolds onto 94-95 cars. Or get a simple fogger kit with one nozzel from ANY company you like and save alot of money. fyi there are alot of companys other then NX regardless of what many people say.

I would also suggest searching google for some basic nitrous user info because you need to have a good basic understanding of how it works etc.. before you play with it.

well I've been trying to study up on it...

heres what I came up with...

wet kits - more $, need new injectors, bottle warmers, purge (still dont understand purge) and makes more power... injected through fuel injectors straight into combustion chamber...

dry kits - bolt right in, easy to use... no need for warmers and purger etc, injected with the air

Venom kit - will work on stock motor with out any upgrades... and is safe..

Now I aint dead set on a certain brand or wet nor dry...

I just need to know the basics...

but I would like to go with a kit with a very good rep...

Greg, go in the For Sale section and buy a used wet kit. I beleive theres two people selling kits. I've used the Venom before, not on a mustang but in the end it was junk. You will see a better gain with a wet kit over the dry shot. Venom and ZEX both are safe kit's but you can have a wet kit just as safe.

WET kit FTW!

you are the one and only person that has said anything bad about venom...

what exactly didnt you like?

and I don't need the power... I'm not gonna be racing it...

I just want something that if I mash the pedal on the way to work/ school/ wherever... that it will run...

also the dry is cheaper...

and I'd perfer not to buy anything used...

ok, I didnt like the fact that you dont see the power gain you expect. Say you do a 75shot....your gonna see about a 40hp gain. Where a 75wet shot you normaly see 60ish or more HP out of it. Plus the fact the wet kit is already mixed with fuel when entering the engine. I've used nitrous on every car i've owned..even rental car...and dry shot's just wernt that impressive anymore. I mean I run a dry shot and wet shot on my '04 now and i tried a 75wet hit vs. the 80 dry and the wet pulled ALOT harder than the dry shot! I mean dont get me wrong being your 1st nitrous kit if you prefer the dry kit...then it will suit you fine untill you wanna taste more power from it...it is very addicting too lol :kekekegay:

As for price wise..I know 03GTmustang is selling his practicly brand new NX EFI kit for a very very resonable price...i'de be checking his stuff out and it's alot cheaper than the VENOM bs since you paying for PYTHON/VENOM's name on it more than anything.

Go back and do more research what you have learned about wet and dry kits is very wrong.

wet kits -
more $ : Yes Wet kits typicly do cost more.
need new injectors: Not true at all since a wet kit sprays it's own fuel for the added oxygen in the nitrous
bottle warmers: No you don't need one but you will want one trust me.
purge: Again not something you need but something you want. And to explain you purge your nitrous line before spraying to get a "clean" harder hit of nitrous. You are getting rid of oxygen in the nitrous supply line and replacing it with nitrous.
makes more power: Yup sure do!
injected through fuel injectors straight into combustion chamber: Wrong, some kits specificly NOS's Nozzle kit does that but not all wet kits are like that.

dry kits -
bolt right in: SO do wet kits,
easy to use: So are wet kits, you are doing nothing extra between a dry kit and a wet kit after install. Not to mention Wet kits are easier to tune.
no need for warmers and purger: WRONG! See above. These accesories are not needed with either but you will want them no matter what kit you go with.
injected with the air: So is anything you spray into an engine:tongueout:

Get a Wet kit. Oh and he's not the only person who has said bad things about Venom I have too. They suck there is a reason you rarely see those kits at the strip or on the street. Unless they're in 16 year old's cars who don't know shit and still get beat by people like me when I'm N/A. And shit just gets ugly once I spray a real nitrous kit.

well in that case then the venom kit is out...

ok... more info...

I want to purchase the nitrous kit, nothing else... I dont want to have to buy injectors or a cam or anything like that...

I plan on a dyno before spraying as well...

what are some good, affordable kits?

and how bout that RPM switch? where can i find one of them...

I would also like to stay away from heavy wiring...

I just want something safe, simple, and fun...

Sounds like a zex kit if for you then. They are easy to install dont make as much power as others but have built in fuel pressure saftey switches and are easy to hookup. For a beginner a ZEX kit is a good kit.

as for the MSD digital window switch i know Jegs and summitracing.com both carry it. I got mine from summit.

And like cuban said your first learnings on nitrous couldnt of been any worse.

Like Spike said, the ZEX kit is the easiest and a decent kit for a noobe to nitrous. You will get a power gain but not a huge one...enough to make a difference that is! It's a easy 3 wire hook-up...power/ground/TPS. Along with 2 vacum lines...couldnt be any easier. Max 2 hours to install.

Greg, check some of the other threads in this section and there's discussions on Wet vs. Dry kits.

any particular ZEX kit?
Wheres a good place to purchase one?

ZEX has 2 main kits...the Dry kit and the Wet kit. They usually run anywhere from $430+ new and you get that nice purple bottle! :kekekegay: I'de look on Ebay...theres usually a decent amount of ZEX kits out there forsale brand new. Be sure your gettin the kit stated for a mustang of your year too!

IMO I still say go to the Classifieds in the For Sale section and checkout 03gtmustang's NX EFI kit he is selling pretty cheap!! It's not a hard hook up either, I did my Compucar kit which is the same thing as NX and NOS and others in just under an hour. That's minus the BS wiring of the switches and push buttons.

I will not buy a used kit...

nothing wrong with a used kits. I would get this kit but shop around for better prices http://www.compperformancegroupstore...NITROUSSYSTEMS

I didnt see any ford efi only kits.

OK after a few mins i found what you need its the ZEX kit part number 82023. If you go to zex's website they sell "scracthed and dented kits" for cheap. They have some of that modle for sale there. Other then that you should really shop and read up on your nitrous use.

oh I'm sure I can find it cheaper else where... not too bad

when the time comes I'll check there...

Thanks... Good thing you guys posted up... I woulda ended up with a venom kit... then you woulda chimed in "ba that sucks" then I woulda shit...

LOL

thanks

really you just need to understand that you have to pull about 1* of timing for every 50hp of nitrous. You also need to change your plugs to copper spark plugs that are 1 heat rang colder for 75-125hp more then that you need 2 heat ranges colder etc. You also should really invest in a fuel pump upgrade with any wet nitrous kit for the saftey and extra fuel should you want to spray the 150shot your car really wants. and never spray before ruffly 3,000rpms to keep the manifold from puddling and blowing.

ok...

Plugs...
Pump...

And I'm gonna take it to a dyno....

Nitrous used to have a bad history when in its early days... so I don't want to take any chances...

anything else I should look at that'd keep it a little safer...

I don't about spending money if it'll make it safer...

and I doubt I'll be using the nitrous alot... so the plug would work fine with everyday cruisin too right?

and about how much does it usually cost to fill the bottle?

if you just want to play a bit with nitrous and keep your setup to 100 shot or less and don't want to spend a lot of money then I would go with a decent dry kit like Zex or Venom.

I don't understand why people say venom kits are expesnive. They are cheap as hell. These are complete kits for $600. Besides a bottle warmer, you don't need anything else.

If you want larger shot of the juice, then wet is better suited. For a good wet setup will all the bells and whistles, you can spend a lot of money (new prices).

Nitrous is nitrous. No matter if you add it wet or dry, the same amount of nitrous makes the same amount of power. Nitrous works because it has oxygen in it. There is nothing magical about wet kits that allow the nitrous to "make" more oxygen. The disparity in what you see is how the nozzles are rated. Saying a nozzle is a 100 shot means what? 100 hp? at the tires or at the flywheel? All the kits are different.

If you push x amount of nitrous through a nozzle for a wet kit it will make the same power as a dry kit that pushes x amount of nitrous (as long as the tune is the same).

its a 5L get a wet kit set it up right and spray a 100-150 shot on it like everyone else does to those motors.

what do you think a good shot would be?

well i am not scared of it and i know countless people running 150shots thought that motor. So i would use the 150pills. Start at 100hp and get used to it. Once you upgrade the fuel system, and once you have the balls to do it put the 150jets in there.

well I aint scared of the power... I've driven MUCH faster cars...

But I am worried about throwing a rod or burning up a valve etc etc etc

First off, it is not the shot size that matters, but the actual amount of added hp that you actually add. So, with ths in mind, on a stock block, you really probably don't want to add more then 125 hp, but it depends on other mods.

What do you mean by "early days"?

well the motor is stock... bone stock...

Its fast enough for me... I can can beat s2ks, and 350z, and similar cars because I'm a much better driver then most...

but everynow and then it'd be nice to go real fast... and beat them srt4s

My big worry is safety... I want to go with a well known, very safe kit that no one has had problems with (not including bad installs / tunes)

I also want to buy a kit that is reasonable priced...

I don't need to make gobs of power...

and like i said, used is out of the question...

Safety with a nitrous kit...haha you can take all the safety precautions you want...there is always the chance of a nitrous mishap!! ZEX...yea it's "the safest kit" as people claim.....i've seen mishaps like just out of the blue the intake exploding when on the dyno. Altho the 1st pull on nitrous no problem at all, but not so lucky on the 2nd. We put a NX efi kit on a '02 gt and it was tuned very very well....melted down a piston. A s2k with a little 50shot...everything you could imagine for safety measures since his dad didnt want it to pop...1st try on the kit with 1 pill larger on the fuel side....intake exploded.

Greg, most kits are going to run $400+ and a ZEX kit is a great kit for starters being easy install like stated before and it's a very resonable priced too i think they run around $450 or so for a dry kit. Since you just want that sudden boost of power with the flip of a switch sit on a 75shot and see how you like it. Your going to def. feel the difference and like it...but you will get used to it after awhile and want to step it up and thats when you do so. Once you step a dry shot up to 100....i wouldnt recoment any high unless you sold the dry and got a wet kit. In the long run the Wet kit would be the better buy and they arent much more than a dry setup. Then you have one complete kit and can start out small and step up to a 150shot when your ready to say screw it and go all out cause a 150shot is lots of fun...Dustin I know you can verify the feel of a 150 hit!!

Yeah when a 150hits its rather rediculous i love it. For the track or racing way faster cars i use a 150shot. For the street and regular use i run 125jets. But this is a 5L motor and that thing is tuff and can take a good amount of nitrous. Like i said a zex wet kit is a great starter kit for someone who doesnt wanna deal with tons of wires etc.. and its "rather" safe. Get it run a 100shot and see how you like it.