Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper

Possible.... then again, everything is always **** over there. I guess it would depend on who decides to get froggy and attacks who.

Originally Posted by GREG@SN95

USA is over there... thats an issue already

Isreal is bombing desert 1

and a bunch of other deserts are pissed and retaliating against Isreal

And N Korea sucks big nuclear missile dick...

and the rest of the world... I mean, the European countries are a bunch of bitches

Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper

Lol..... is any of this really new info though?

I dunno, china is distancing themselves from N Korea, i dont think they will get involved much at all. The euro nations are always a bunch of *****s....

what exactly is the standard definition of criteria to call something a world war? anyone?

Originally Posted by GREG@SN95

USA killing the rest of the world

Originally Posted by 95bstallion

I'm gonna have to say no. This fighting has been going on for a long time and it will probaly never stop. We see alot more on our tv through the advancement of technology + we are already fighting our own war over in irag. It will all stop soon enough and they'll go back to attacking eachother by suicide bombers:bash:. Imo also the u.s+oil companies use any kind of civial war or incidents to raise gas prices. This is all working in their favor by cnn always poking their nose in overseas business. Just my 2 cents though.

Originally Posted by MattJ

USA is struggling to get 25,000 troops out of lebanon. Things have always been the way they are over there. We did nothing but interupt their own problems. When you deal with people whos concept of war revolves around religion, its a whole new breed of fighting. They believe when they die fighting this war, you are given a one way ticket straight for heaven. This gives the courage to have more and more of your own people fight not only on the lines, but secretly behind them as well.

I think we should get out and stay out of this problem because its going to get big, and its going to get big QUICK.

Originally Posted by Icefreezen

Well said unfortnitely that wouldnt be the George Bush way of "Lets stick our nose in" but whatever I really dont like war we'll win easy as that but the consequences and the lives lost are just not worth it.

Originally Posted by GREG@SN95

honestly... I think that the bush talk is a bit :offtopic:

I was trying to start a thread that makes sense...

My mother was on the phone and I overheard her talking about Isreal and all this other ****... and I started to think... what if WW3 is around the bend?

Originally Posted by MattJ

uuhh isnt that the reason why this topic was started??
lol
:wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

Originally Posted by SlicK

I don't think WWIII will happen anytime soon, if it ever does. I also think that if it does come. the apocalypse will soon follow. We all know what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and with hydrogen bombs and VX gas that do literally over 100x the damage the A-bomb did, I'm guessing we'll send one to someone, they'll send a few back, we'll send a few back and maybe to someone else too and it'll all be over.

Originally Posted by jjtgiants

The whole thing is very scary.....that's why all of us should get as many chicks as possible and drink as much beer as possible so if the world does go mad we can at least say we had a good time while it lasted! ha ha ha

Originally Posted by jjtgiants

The whole thing is very scary.....that's why all of us should get as many chicks as possible and drink as much beer as possible so if the world does go mad we can at least say we had a good time while it lasted! ha ha ha

Originally Posted by GREG@SN95

wow... read this... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203453,00.html

those ****in rag heads flew a plane filled w/ explosives into an isrealian war ship...

if thats the best they got they don't stand a chance against us... we'll blow their arses up with 100 missiles from 100 miles away... bwa ha ha ha...

Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper

"Look at the warship that has attacked Beirut, while it burns and sinks before your very eyes," Nasrallah said

LOL.... who the hell is this guy? sounds like a cheezy villian from some crappy old spy movie.

Originally Posted by MattJ

USA is pulling out troops as we speak. You know whats stupid? The government tried making a deal with the soldiers to have them pay the 150-200 dollar plane ticket home. **** that, you are over there fighting, you come home free. **** this pay ****. Id shoot someone if they told me I have to buy my way home if I was stuck in Labonon and they are being heavily attacked. Luckily, Condoleza Rice waived that.

Originally Posted by Shambles' Myspace

Personally, im not too sure what to think of the current crisis on Israel, and what side I am even on. I'm a little more concerned of the ramifications of the current conflict and how it will end up dictating the middle east's political climate for years to come.

These attacks by Israel and Hezbolah are going to move the peace process backwards a few years, and there is no doubt about that. However, sadly, nothing is as it seems. Hezbolah is controlled by Syria and, more importantly, Iran. This extremist group is one of many Islamic extremist groups in the region, but it's significance is more than just that of being a terrorist group. Oddly enough, they have their power because of the struggle in the area for the Middle East Democracies. Lebanon recently had Democratic elections, as did Iran, and Hezbolah was able to get a seat in the government. They are now able to help dictate the policies of the government to push their own agenda, that of removing the Israli state. Personally, I believe that the push for such democracies in the area isn't what the area needs, for the corruption in the government's and in the elections, as well as the turmoil in the area, seems to be shooting the whole idea in the foot. What would work well in the area? You've got me. With the current climate in the area, im not too sure what would work.

What is a little more concerning in this entire conflict is not the fact that the peace process has completely stalled out, but that Iran and Syria are able to now push for what they wanted, the removal of the Israli state by force. Iran especially is in a state where they are wanting to create as much havok as possible, not beacuse the people want it, but because their leader wants it. Unfortunately, it almost seems that the worst case scenerio is unfolding, and nobody can do anything to stop it. The powerhouse that is Iran can make some sweeping changes in the area, and with the US in Iraq, it puts our troops in danger for just about any diplomatic move that we make. There has already been a missle fired into Israel that was produced by Iran, so there is no doubt that there is an influence by the extremist states in the region on the conflict.

But what does this mean for the US and its troops? Well, unfortunately, its hard to say. The entire international community is in a quagmire of sorts. The community is correct that Israel does have the right to defend itself. They are also correct in denouncing Hezbolah because of their capture and murder of Israli soldiers (they did cross the border of Israel to capture them). However, with Israel's very forceful bombing of Lebanese targets, it almost seems like overkill. A diplomatic resolution will probably not be able to come out of this since both sides seemingly do not want it, even though they say they do. The Lebanese government want Israel to stop bombarding so that they can get the captured men back, and Israel wants the troops back, and then they will stop the bombing. Who is right in this situation? The US can't put full support w/ Israel on this because of the fact that it puts the troops in Iraq in danger of a huge backlash by the insurgency in that area. The insurgency could easily gain momentum and make times even tougher for the troops. Most of the extremist Arab world wants Israel destroyed, and if we decide to back Israel 100% we might end up shooting ourselves in the foot for the progress, if any, we have made in Iraq.

On the flipside of this, we can hardly back Hezbolah or Lebanon. We can ask for a stop to the shelling, and denounce Israel for its almost overkill approach in its tactics, but if we decide to back Lebanon, then we are almost backing Hezbolah and its capture of the Israli troops (at least, thats how I see it). If the Lebanese government wants to save their people, THEY need to step up and get those Israli troops to safety on their time, and not let a faction like Hezbolah completely dictate how their countries youth feel. The long term ramifications of this are that the youth in Lebanon might end up backing a group such as Hezbolah, giving them more propaganda to use and more people to arm for a possible large-scale attack.

So whats the worst case scenerio? Well, unfortunately, its seemingly unfolding right now. Iran and Syria are both going to be in this conflict one way or another. This means a large step upwards in the intensity of attacks. What concerns me the most, however, is that Saddam, over the course of 10+ years, has moved his chemical weapons stockpiles into Syria of all places. If Syria is attacked by Israel, who is to say that a possible strike by Syria might come into play, and a nerve agent launched into the game. This concerns me currently, and I have a funny feeling that with the way things are going, it very well could take place. Iran can also provide some of these weapons, and with their proximity to Iraq, who knows what might happen there. They also have the long-range missle capibilities, so they can basically be a factor from where they reside.

All in all, I don't see a quick resolution to this conflict. In fact, I can only see it growing in intensity and size. I dont think that the retrevial of the Israli soldiers will stop what has begun and in fact, I think this entire conflict has finally hit that powder keg that everyone has been wanting to avoid hitting. Time will only tell what will happen, and im hoping that someone can extinguish this wildfire of extremism and violence before it envelopes the entire region.

Originally Posted by Shambles' Myspace

The creation of the Israli state post WWII is where this all started, but im referring to the current conflict between Israel and Lebanon.

Lebanon is basically controlled by Syria and Iran through Hezbollah. However, post-Lebanese civil war, Lebanon had the chance to disarm Hezbollah, but couldnt because of Hezbollah's might. All other militias were disarmed, but not Hezbollah. Couple to that the seemingly imminent failure of any democracy in the Middle East and you have a superpower that stretches throughout the region. Two democratically elected nations (Iran and Lebanon) have had their governments taken over by radical Islamic fundamentalists.

What makes this even worse is the appeal of Hezbollah to the youth of the nation. You join the cause, you are basically made for life. No need to worry about your needs.

This current military escallation, however, is directly caused by both Israel and Hezbollah, and if Hezbollah was disarmed, im sure you would see a decrease in their presence in Lebanon.

Originally Posted by MTShambles

The US isnt pulling troops out, they are pulling out American families living in Lebanon.

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