just a lil bit of treason
 

i should say first that i like jimmy carter..i think hes one of the most courageous old guys i ever saw the way he still travels the world and fights for his beliefs over 80 years old but for a former president to go against his country internationally...wow...friggin unbelievable...and then for him to start revealing things he knows should remain classified.....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/...ure/index.html

im sure the guy knows he probably gonna croak soon, so he figures what does he really have to lose if he reveals something, not a whole lot. but i think it's stupid and a tarnish on his image, morals, values, and integrity.

never did care for the guy or his administration, this just goes to show what a piece of garbage he was, is and will continue to be.

He's probably getting grumpy and bitter in his old age. Yeah, I don't think a former Prez should be saying those things in public, but the man speaks the truth! Hell I don't care if we torture terrorists if it means keeping one of those ass hats from strapping a bomb to their back and blowing up the government building I work in or any other building/subway ect..... I understand my statement can be a slippery slope, but those people are nuts!

im all for torturing the terrorists. whatever means necessary, to get the information we need, to save lives. to hell with the Geneva Convention, and to hell with the terrorists. I say we need to find the terrorists families, kidnap them, bring them to the prison's and execute them in front of the prisoner, until they give up the info we need.

i don't understand how we're supposed to play by the rules, when these guys don't. makes no sense to me.

My thoughts exactly....How on earth are we supposed to fight against terrorists when we have a bunch of rules, but they don't. That is the exact reason why I think it's hard for us to win wars like Iraq. Back in WWII we would have carpet bombed those cities and just destroyed things until people said they had enough. Now we go house to house trying to fight and that shit doesn't work because we are trying to fight people that are hiding with the common people.

same here. and it's not like we're putting them through anything our military doesn't do anyways (at least the special forces).

It's definitely different over here...

being out there, do you have any insight that us sittin in the us might not have?

Well one thing that i just read that makes me sick is people trying to decipher what we should get paid. There was an article that i just read where someone compared us(military) to a police officer. The article was saying how a police officer starting out at 22k is too little, yet an enlisted service member out of bootcamp is making less than 15k a year. Granted we arent deployed year round(but army is deployed for 14 months at a time) we are deployed for 7 month cycles. The claim was that a police officer risks their life everyday so they should get paid more than military. When we are deployed we make 'hazard pay', imminent danger pay, and a few other SMALL "bonuses", but its no cake walk over here. I'd much rather walk through streets of New York(the articles city of choice) then the streets of Ramadi. This place wears you out mentally, physically, and spiritually. You dont get to see family/friends, shower once a week if your lucky, or sleep in you OWN REAL bed ...sorry ranting...
But the people over here, as far as the terrorists, dont care about us or their own people. There was a female iraqi that went to a post of ours BEGGING us to help her stay alive. Her parents were pressured, by terrorists, to kill their children or they would kill their entire family. The parents had already killed the girls little brother and she was next. Thats the type of influence the 'bad guys' have over here. They have no mercy on us(the beheading videos) nor do they have any of their fellow countrymen. Why should we be so merciful to them if they hold no value towards their own people.

i totally agree with you...

I agree. Personally i feel that giving them any human rights is an insult to decent people. We should grant them no more quarter than they afford to us. For every one of us they behead i think we should behead 50 of them, and put thier heads on pikes and let them rot in the sun in the middle of town for all of them to see.

I believe all iraqis should be held responsible. Untill they decide to get off thier asses and clear out thier own house, i dont see the point in tiptoeing around. Grab a random 50 and behead them. Maybee that will get tghem thinking and they will start turning in thier brothers, sisters, and friends who are involved in the killing of us troops.

The only reason Saddam managed to rule that place is cause he diddnt put up with any bullshit. People were too goddamn afraid of him to give him any trouble. Unless they hold the same fear of us, they will continue this and the land will be plagued by terror and anarchy.

The insurgents, the terrorists, the bad guys, they will never respect us and behave, unfortunatly america is not the monster saddam was, so they do not fear us either.

I believe we should always try to play by the rules first out of respect of our opponent and out of respect for human life, but if they do not play by the rules i think america should roll up its sleeves and get dirty with the full might of the most powerful military force this planet has ever witnessed, and show them exactly how nasty we can be.

Maybe if we make saddam look like a pussy we can finally have some god damn peace and quiet.

but we wont.

so... we gonna be there a long goddamn time.

The idea of morality and the "higher standard" is just something to make us feel better about war. The fact is war is messy. war is killing. The more restrictions we place on the military the more bodybags filled with our friends, brothers, sisters, children, we will see.

If we fought as they do, with the capability we have, they would never show thier faces again.


ill probably get slammed on this one.

lol

its a new world that needs new rules...i am no friend of the jewish state but i have to say that they are on the money in their policy to terrorists :

you blow up anything and we kill your entire blood line


that works...so we need to adopt that policy and lets face it...sadaam was the leader for that culture...maybe he raped murdered and pillaged with his fun loving sons but at least his people could walk the streets...then they only had sadaam to worry about...now they have nothing to keep them safe


but as for jimmy....yes he is telling the truth...but somethings are classified for a reason

I've been there and done that too, and couldn't agree more. It also kind of chaps my ass that one of the things that you protect in the military is people's right to say that stuff....

and for all who think torture is a bad thing ask yourself this:

if a terrorist hides a really nasty bomb somewhere in your hometown and you catch him but not the bomb, what would you do? your wife, girl, boyfriend, mom, sister, brother, dad, whatever is at work in that town and might be sitting on top of it. you politely ask the terrorist where it is as per rules of the geneva convention and he laughs in your face before spitting in it...WHAT WOULD YOU DO? i'd go get a wrench, a spoon, a blowtorch and a bottle of ketchup and find out where he put it..wouldnt you? make no mistake that you wake up in the morning because somewhere out there are men who have to do that every day, and we really dont need an ex president trying to put those men in jail or stop them from doing what they have to

Ok ok ok... wait a second...

I get the wrench.... i can even figure out some good ideas with the spoon. The blowtorch sounds great, but WTF is with the bottle of ketchup?

yeah i was wondering about the ketchup myself...you plan on chopping him up and eating his flesh with some ketchup on it!?

it would probably work well for a scare tactic. some benign thing like a bottle of ketchup, sitting with the other things. making you wonder.

probably traumatize you so much you never eat ketchup again

lol....

information gained from torture is never reliable. If you think that's ever wrong, let me torture you for a while... you'll tell me lie after lie to get me to stop peeling you like an orange.

South american rebels used to sodomize people they were torturing with a coke bottle. The reason was because the coke bottle is so ubiquitous, it would fuck up their head whenever they saw that logo for the rest of their life.