The crimped tube doesn't mean they don't fit well...it's just lack of engineering and design on their part. My buddy and I had no problems with fitment during install.

Either way, I like my set and have no complaints thus far (2+ years). I'll let you know when they start to leak.

Mandrel > Crimped


any day.

It's not that the bends are crimped instead of mandrel, there are 2 tubes that are flattened to half their diameter so that they will bolt in and actually fit. When I saw the first set of them, I was like "WTF IS THAT"

appreciate all the feedback. I wanted to wait til everyone made all there posts. For just adding simple mods, it sounds like you guys are suggesting high flow cats, aftermarket mufflers and a set of gears will make me think I'm happy.

I'm not going to get all technical about this, because I don't know nearly enough to be technical. I'm just going to tell you what I experienced.

I spent over $2,000 getting a full exhaust (longtubes, catted X, Loudmouths) that was professionally installed.

I drove without a tune for my headers for a while and honestly didn't feel that much of a gain. Maybe a little bit, but I tend to be skeptical about some things. After I got my 93 octane custom tune, holy hell. It was like it freed up things in my engine I never knew could be there. It felt much faster than it was before and there is no way I can deny or be skeptical about that.

Some of it comes from the tune. Get a good tune and you may see a few more few more horses... but it you most likely will not be anywhere near the 20-30 horses some exhaust manufacturer companies claim, I don't think. A good tune is a far cry from a bad tune or no tune.

Just take your time with your decision. Do your research and just decide if it's something you really want to do. Only you can decide if the HP to $ ratio is worth it to you.

Oh, and my gears are my favorite mod I've done to my car. No power gain, but they are still awesome. :)

I really need to redo the exhaust system on my car with some long tubes and o/r H soon. I am missing a solid 20rwhp or more.