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tedinde 02-05-2005 09:14 AM

I was mostly leaning Toward this

http://www.modulardepot.com/product_...products_id=82

The cable isnt just for downloading, you can also hook it to your computer and tune yourself with the downloadable software, which i downloaded, but you cant play with it unless it detects the box.

http://www.sctflash.com/xtreme.php


Now you can fine tune your vehicles SCT Dealer Custom Tune on your personal computer using SCT's all new Xtreme Personal Tuning Software and SCT's new XCalibrator. Adjust and fine tune:

Switched gear ratios? Now you can select your new gear ratio and simply re-flash your vehicle. Added a Cold Air Kit? No problem, fine tune your vehicles air / fuel ratio yourself, without having to bring your vehicle back to your SCT Dealer.

As i stated above i loved my Crane Interceptor and tuning myself. Has anyone tried the downloadable tuning software??

tedinde 02-05-2005 09:32 AM

http://www.mustangtuning.com/sctxc9.html

I notice its for sale here, but no free cable whice is more than just for downloads now, and no downloadable software on the site.

Being able to tweak @ the track by hooking into a laptop is a big advantage, if only somehow, This could be a real time Data logger also. Wishful but doubtful.

Guess ill be the test Guinea Pig

tedinde 02-06-2005 09:49 PM

I ordered it so ill be reporting in how tweakable it is. Ill be running an old laptop in the trunk with my 28 gig MP3 collection tied into my soundsystem.

I ordered this for the visor for easier access to MP3s and video and accessing the SCT Software. Nice touchscreen and i ordered a New Stereo head unit that plays DVDs also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWN:IT


I have a small computer shop and thats what pays the bills. My other vise is fast computers and im a moderator and live @ www.xtremeresourses.com and www.xtremesystems.org

My main computer is a close to 5ghz Vapochill LS - 60celsus cooled computer. So of course i need a computer in my car, and i love tweaking

http://www.sctflash.com/xtreme.php

Hopefully there might be some more features or someway to see anykind of real time engine data in the future for this.

Looking on SCTs site it would be nice to have their data logger

http://www.sctflash.com/raptor.php

And i guess they want you to become a dealer and want big bucks before they would give up their software

http://www.sctflash.com/dealer.php


This really makes me miss my Crane Interceptor, and some old DFI Boxes ive messed with for friends and being able to plug into laptops. Ive been away from Stangs for 10 years. LONG story!!!!

ModMotorRacer 02-08-2005 01:54 PM

You can buy an SCT Pro Racer Package for $795. It includes the ability to tune ALL parameters of your car. It can be purchased in a chip burner form(comes with chip, chip burner, and all neccesary cables) The flasher version includes the xcaliber flasher and all neccesarry cables. Also right now you get the Raptor Datalogger for FREE with the Pro Racer Package!!! Thats alot of sh*t for $810 shipped. You would be able to tune your car yourself no matter what the mods! Not to mention datalogger will work with other vehicles.

www.modulardepot.com only place that sells this.


Adam

FEZ 02-08-2005 04:32 PM

do you think there is anything to be gained on a completely stock car?

WaterDR 02-08-2005 06:21 PM

No...not really. A mail order tune might net you 15. Wiht the Pro Racer's Package you will just have loads of fun tooling with it. If you plan on racing a lot and modding the car quite a bit, this is an awesome tool to have that will easily grow with you.

While $900 seems like a lot of money (and it is) consider my sorted past.

First, I bought a Diablo Chip for $225. It was a dissaster. The tuner screwed up and my tune was all botched up. Took many months before I paid shipping and got my money back. Net cost to me $15 or soo and TONS of lost time.

Then, I got a Superchips tuner (not an SCT). Caused the car to ping like an SOB. Sent that back too...paid the shipping and lost another week. My net cost $15 (for a total of $30).

Then, I dropped $425 on a SCT Flash Tuner. Paid $75 for the cable and another $75 for an extra tune. That is a total of $500 plus the $30 previously spent on shipping.

Then, I changed my mind and traded my Tuner to someone for a SCT 4 Position Chip. He got the tunes and the cable too. I then paid another $40 to have my tunes put on the chip and another $30 for shipping (long story). So, I have dropped an ugly $600 and all I have to show is an SCT Chip (which I am now happy with).

I could have spent an extra $300 and gotten the Racer's Package.

ModMotorRacer 02-09-2005 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
No...not really. A mail order tune might net you 15. Wiht the Pro Racer's Package you will just have loads of fun tooling with it. If you plan on racing a lot and modding the car quite a bit, this is an awesome tool to have that will easily grow with you.

While $900 seems like a lot of money (and it is) consider my sorted past.

First, I bought a Diablo Chip for $225. It was a dissaster. The tuner screwed up and my tune was all botched up. Took many months before I paid shipping and got my money back. Net cost to me $15 or soo and TONS of lost time.

Then, I got a Superchips tuner (not an SCT). Caused the car to ping like an SOB. Sent that back too...paid the shipping and lost another week. My net cost $15 (for a total of $30).

Then, I dropped $425 on a SCT Flash Tuner. Paid $75 for the cable and another $75 for an extra tune. That is a total of $500 plus the $30 previously spent on shipping.

Then, I changed my mind and traded my Tuner to someone for a SCT 4 Position Chip. He got the tunes and the cable too. I then paid another $40 to have my tunes put on the chip and another $30 for shipping (long story). So, I have dropped an ugly $600 and all I have to show is an SCT Chip (which I am now happy with).

I could have spent an extra $300 and gotten the Racer's Package.

Yes while it does seem like a big investment, I think anyone who plans on modding their car incrementally, should have one. I have had my car dyno tuned once...$400. Once I change gears...it will need it again....$200. Change to 24lb injectors.....$200. Thats $800 right there and these are things that I guarantee I will be doing in the future. Not to mention the Raptor Datalogger is free ($375-450 depending on where you buy from) which is a must have for a car.
If your car is stock, and going to stay that way I wouldn't buy it. Consider this though, people buy timing adjusters, bigger MAF's, TB's and, Plenums, those 4 things would cost WAY more than the SCT software. Not to mention, bolting these on a stock car without the ability to see the changes (datalogger :)) is kind of a waste. Your bolt-ons will net more rwhp if you have the ability to tweak the car to each individual one. The PRP also has more tuning info about cars than you could ever possible acquire anywhere else.
One more thing...the PRP is designed for individuals, but it is the same software that SCT dealers/tuners would use to tune your car if you took it to one. The software is married to your cars computer, so you cannot tune anyone elses car with it..just wanted to add that.

Adam :icon_rr:

FEZ 02-10-2005 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=MT's#1Customer!]No...not really. A mail order tune might net you 15. Wiht the Pro Racer's Package you will just have loads of fun tooling with it. If you plan on racing a lot and modding the car quite a bit, this is an awesome tool to have that will easily grow with you.

I'd like to pick up some additional horsepower "but" this car is still under warranty and I live in Pa. in an area that requires the the toughest emissions test in the state [your next!] so I have a two fold problem. To add to that I don't want to loose too much gas mileage if I can help it. The cat back systems don't seem to deliver much of a power gain although the aftermarket catted X pipes seem to be a better power maker. Do you guy's know if the low restiction cats will pass the Pa. inspection? Any other mods that will keep me in warranty[ I have another year to go]and deliver the most bang for the buck would be appreciated. This state is frustrating in that, here in Montgomery County the '83 Ranger I built with a 302 was legal for 8 years then they changed the rules and I was dead in the water. However if I lived in the county to the west, Berks, I'd be legal!

WaterDR 02-10-2005 05:44 PM

I say "get it." I have read posts from guys who what claimed to have past and some even had cams. But, some have failed with cams.

A mid pipe is oh, so easy to pull off before an emissions test and put back on the car if you run into any trouble.

Warrenty question? Crap, there is so much inconsistancy on that topic. Make friends with the service manager and hope for the best. Personally, I believe that if someone is really concerned about warrenty, do not mod the car at all. Ford can always make your life difficult by claiming the mod caused a failure.

loadedgt 06-13-2005 09:26 AM

Does anyone make a programmer like the diablo for a 96 gt? There are chips everywhere but I would much rather have a programmer

808GT 10-07-2005 03:33 PM

when i order the sct 4bank chip, do i need to mention k&n filter drop? will it matter? :confused:

WaterDR 10-07-2005 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by 808GT
when i order the sct 4bank chip, do i need to mention k&n filter drop? will it matter? :confused:

Things like exhaust (except for o/r x pipe or headers), plenun, UDP's, TB's and CAI's, don't really alter a tune. Just having a K&N filter certainly won't change a tune, but you can always mnention it anyway.

95StockStang 10-12-2005 11:53 AM

Do they make
 
a programmer for a 95 Mustang GT? :confused: What are my best options to increase performance in my car. The only after market stuff I have done is put in a K&N Air filter, take out the cats, and put in Dynomax mufflers. It is an automatic 5.0L.

I am by no means a techie when it comes to cars. I have heard a "chip" will increase performance and sometimes fuel consumption. Let me know what you think and what products a on the market at a reasonable price that will help me. I'm not looking to make it a race car, but I do often travel across the state (monthly), usually with the cruise control on about 85-90mph.

The really sweet thing about my car is that it has been garage kept and only has 43,000 miles on it. :rolleyes:

808GT 10-14-2005 04:05 PM

can someone direct me to how do i install the sct chip on my 99gt? how do i get to the computer? sorry im young dumb and _________________ :D

WaterDR 10-14-2005 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by 95StockStang
a programmer for a 95 Mustang GT? :confused: What are my best options to increase performance in my car. The only after market stuff I have done is put in a K&N Air filter, take out the cats, and put in Dynomax mufflers. It is an automatic 5.0L.

I am by no means a techie when it comes to cars. I have heard a "chip" will increase performance and sometimes fuel consumption. Let me know what you think and what products a on the market at a reasonable price that will help me. I'm not looking to make it a race car, but I do often travel across the state (monthly), usually with the cruise control on about 85-90mph.

The really sweet thing about my car is that it has been garage kept and only has 43,000 miles on it. :rolleyes:

I am a dope when it comes to the 5.0's. I wish I could help, perhaps someone can chime in.

WaterDR 10-14-2005 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by 808GT
can someone direct me to how do i install the sct chip on my 99gt? how do i get to the computer? sorry im young dumb and _________________ :D

1 - Disconnect the battery and keep the keys out of the ignition.

2 - Open the passenger side door and remove the plastic door sill.

3 - This will allow you to remove the kick plate forward of the door.

4 - The computer box is located behind this kick plate.

5 - You need to remove the screws that hold the bracket which holds the computer in place. The computer is a big metal box. It is about 8 x 9 inches or so.

6 - Before you can drop the computer down, you need to loosen the bolt that holds the wire harness in place. It is about a 12 mm bolt or something close to that.

7 - Pull the computer down and out of the car. It is a lot easier to remove then to install.

8 - At the top of the box is an opening that has a plastic cover on it. Pull this off and you will be able to see where the chip plugs into. The connectors needs to be cleaned with sand paper etc..., PLEASE FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS THAT COME WITH THE CHIP WHEN CLEANING THESES CONTACTS. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU FOLLOW THEM CLOSELY. OTHERWISE THE CHIP WILL NOT WORK. You may need to pull the cover off the box.

9 - Re-install everything.

10 - Hook the battery back up and try to start the car.

Now, for the tricky part. If the car starts, then either you forgot to clean any of the contacts or you did everything right. If you did a half-arse job at cleaning the contacts, then the car will not start.

Post more if you have questions or get stuck.

808GT 10-16-2005 11:56 PM

Thanks MT#1costumer, i just installed the chip today...my 92oct setting pulls like a mofo. i thought it was going to be hard to install but it was so simple. cleaning was simple too

WOOHOO...im a happy camper, well not really 'cause a high octane gas cost me 3.61 a gal :( :mad:

Flo Bee 10-27-2005 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by 95StockStang
a programmer for a 95 Mustang GT? :confused: What are my best options to increase performance in my car. The only after market stuff I have done is put in a K&N Air filter, take out the cats, and put in Dynomax mufflers. It is an automatic 5.0L.

I am by no means a techie when it comes to cars. I have heard a "chip" will increase performance and sometimes fuel consumption. Let me know what you think and what products a on the market at a reasonable price that will help me. I'm not looking to make it a race car, but I do often travel across the state (monthly), usually with the cruise control on about 85-90mph.

The really sweet thing about my car is that it has been garage kept and only has 43,000 miles on it. :rolleyes:

You have to chip a '95.

I wouldn't normally say to upgrade the tune in a basically stock 5.0, but since yours is an automatic, it could probably help out quite a bit. I'd also recommend a set of gears (3.73 if you're really not trying to go racing, but 4.10 if you race it from time to time) and a SpeedCal to go along with that.

Those changes help out a lot on the automatics.

WaterDR 10-27-2005 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Flo Bee
You have to chip a '95.

I wouldn't normally say to upgrade the tune in a basically stock 5.0, but since yours is an automatic, it could probably help out quite a bit. I'd also recommend a set of gears (3.73 if you're really not trying to go racing, but 4.10 if you race it from time to time) and a SpeedCal to go along with that.

Those changes help out a lot on the automatics.

By the way, Matt is a qualified tuner.

TEXASPAUL 01-11-2006 03:12 PM

what is the difference between the xcalibrator and xcalibrator2?

and

could i get a tune for premium and one for regular?

and

does it help a automatic enought to make a difernece?

Shambles 01-11-2006 03:17 PM

XCal and XCal2 are different in that the XCal2 has a programming screen and makes it eaiser to make end user adjustments right on the programmer. The XCal you have to hook it up to the PC to make the changes. The programming files between the two tuners are the same. Actually, the programming files between the two tuners and the SCT 4-Bank chip are all the same.

Each tuner can hold up to four tunes, so getting a regular and premium octane tune is always good. Remember, the better octane tune will give you more HP because we can bump up the timing on the car.

It will help an auto regardless because it will firm up the shift points, making it shift quicker and sooner. You really feel the difference in the Auto's more than the 5-Speeds in my opinion.

WaterDR 01-11-2006 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by MTShambles
It will help an auto regardless because it will firm up the shift points, making it shift quicker and sooner. You really feel the difference in the Auto's more than the 5-Speeds in my opinion.

I installed the older style SCT Extreme Flash Tuner on my friends 2003 GT Auto for her, and the difference was quite noticeable.

inkahootz racing 01-22-2006 03:18 PM

if u guys was going to start adding power to a stock 2001 mustang would u buy a tuner or a 125 nitrous kit first . any suggestions would b helpful . thanks rg

Icefreezen 01-22-2006 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by inkahootz racing
if u guys was going to start adding power to a stock 2001 mustang would u buy a tuner or a 125 nitrous kit first . any suggestions would b helpful . thanks rg

With a 125 shot be prepared to upgrade fuel pump and a few other things.....to be honest a tune isnt going to get you much....a 100 shot on a stock GT is almost perfect.

WaterDR 01-22-2006 07:20 PM

I would buy the tuner first no matter what. Why? Because it is a mod that will gorw with your car no matter what you do.

Got juice? Great, the tuner can retard your timing and richen up your fuel.

Got gears? You need the tuner to calibrate the speedo.

Got an o/r x pipe? You need the tuner too.

If you stay with a small shot (75), you can run on a stock tune depending on what system you get. But, if you want a 125 shot, you will need some type of tuning device or at least a way to retard your timing.

98-GT 01-25-2006 04:57 PM

So with any programmer i can pass an emissions test with off road x pipes?

xx01GTxx 01-26-2006 10:19 AM

good price for xcal2
 
I recently bought a SCT xcal2 for $380 from brenspeed.com. It came with an 87, 91, 93 and stock tune. I found it was best bang for buck. Installed it one week ago and works great. I have c&l intake plenum, 75mm BBK tb, k&n cai, meziere electric water pump and underdrive pulleys.

PureStang 01-26-2006 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by 98-GT
So with any programmer i can pass an emissions test with off road x pipes?

no...the inspectors check to see if u have a cat visually and they can read in their computers that it as been turned off....and they also try to throw a CEL by unpluging it from the pipe...well thats wat the dude i go to does....for other people...not me... :banana:

WaterDR 01-26-2006 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by PureStang
no...the inspectors check to see if u have a cat visually and they can read in their computers that it as been turned off....and they also try to throw a CEL by unpluging it from the pipe...well thats wat the dude i go to does....for other people...not me... :banana:

Hold the phone....

That depends on how they do emissions testing.

If they visually look for cats, then no you will not pass. If they read your ECU for egine codes, then you will pass. If they do an actual sniffer test, then you will fail.

I use cats on my car. I think it is the environmentally correct thing to do anyway.

inkahootz racing 01-26-2006 01:29 PM

what type of programmer would u guys suggest for a 2001 gt ? and who has the best deals ? thanks rg

xx01GTxx 01-26-2006 08:12 PM

sct xcal2
 
i would suggest sct xcal2.....brennspeed.com has um for about 380 i think....i recently aquired one and love it

cook84 01-26-2006 09:35 PM

what about the PMS Programmer....

WaterDR 01-26-2006 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by cook84
what about the PMS Programmer....

Never heard of it.

cook84 01-27-2006 03:33 AM

you can get it from Anderson Ford Motorsports it is a piggy back programmer you can tune for any mods your car has and you can change the tune if you change something on your can with without pulling and sending chips off for reburn....it cause bout a grand but it will be the last programmer mustang owners will ever need....heck go check it out at www.andersonfordmotorsport.com they have it for 4.6L and 5.4L and 5.0L and 5.8L they cover all years of the fuel injected mustang...

inkahootz racing 01-28-2006 04:52 AM

thanks for the info . is the sct complicated to use ? can i get my self in trouble with it ? (mis-tuning ......)

WaterDR 01-28-2006 06:14 AM

Most of the changes that are user controlled are not big changes to avoid getting people into trouble. Regardless, you really should not make adjustments w/o knowing what you are doing.

cook84 02-02-2006 10:35 PM

so i guess no one on here has ever used or heard of one??

WaterDR 02-03-2006 06:57 AM

I guess not. I don't see the difference between the PMS and say a $375 Xcal. The XCal can grow with your car no matter what alterations you do to it. A tuner can email tunes to you that you can upload to your car w/o ever pulling a chip and mailing. Which, BTW, I use a chip. Why? Because a chip is the only way you can change a tune on the fly.

stock03GT(fornow) 03-02-2006 07:03 PM

One more programmer question for you guys .. are all the changes that are made specific to the tunes?? For example, lets say that I got a Diablo or Xcal and it came with a couple tunes that worked good for my car .. now I go and get gears. Can just plug the tuner in and say .. now I got 4.10's or do I have to get all my tunes changed to recognize the 4.10's?? The same question would be for all of those variables (rev limiter, traction control, etc)??

Thanks

PureStang 03-02-2006 07:20 PM

they will have to be changed manually but u yourself can do it.....u can chage pretty much any parameter on the tuners ur self....


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