Alright.. I need to know a few things. First, what is the firing order of the 4.6 engine? And second, do these engines fire based on a crank signal, or a cam signal? And if they do fire off of a crank sensor, do they still have a cam sensor? TIA.

 

Only question I can help you with is the firing order.

 

Thanks

 

They have both and fire off of the crank, the cam should be for misfire detection.

 

Is there any way a tuner could delete the cam signal?

 

No, because the cam is used for injector timing.

 

Damn. Anyone have a picture of the cam sensor that I could look at?

 

It's on the drivers side of the timing cover, not really much to look at. Cheap too. Whats the problem with it?

Cam Position sensor

 

yes but odds are it requires alot more time/effort/money than you intended on spending


ecu uses cam time to run the injectors, if you go to an aftermarket electronic set up like aem/fast/bigstuff3 etc you can

or you could just go carbureted...all options i don't think you're interested in unless you are doing something seriously nuts

 

I'm contemplating putting in a big block. That's why I asked about the cam sensor. But if that is what controls the injectors, then I have to keep it. Can anyone tell me what type of sensor it is? (i.e. hall effect, etc.) And when I asked for a picture, I was referring to a picture that shows where it sits/how it is triggered.

 

You might be able to use the stuff off of like a 90s-ish F250 that came with a 460. It should be Port fuel injected, it would be alot of details to work out but a place to start.

 

Yeah.. I wanted to use as much of the 4.6's sensors/harness as possible for simplicity's sake, but I might have to mix and match parts. I wonder how the EFI 460's fire the injectors..

 

Getting it to run wont be the issue, passing an inspection will be. I dont know what kind of local laws you have but I'd be tough to get it to pass OBD2. I'm pretty sure they used the 460 up to atleast 96 or 97 so you might be able to use the whole wiring harness and PCM and still have it pass, but I'm just speculating. EEC V Some good info to look over. It covers alot of the basics, I think most '96 and newer fords use that style computer.

 

Last year for the 460 was 97, so they did make an OBDII version. And as far as local testing goes, they just do a code check, and make sure that the required number of monitors have run. One of the guys on the 460 forum suggested that I register it in the next township, which doesn't require emissions testing. I know some of the guys I went to school with did that, but I'm not sure how it works.

 

Yeah as long as there arent any DTC's and all readiness tests are completed it should pass. OBD2 isnt really "emission" testing, it more or less takes the PCM's word for it, so as long as the guy inspecting it doesnt ask too many questions, I think it could be done. Granted, you will definetly have to have it tuned.
As far as the transmission goes, you can use the E4OD but.. I dont know how much trouble it would be to put it in that panther. Its atleast a 4 speed auto.

 

Yeah.. I don't use the official testing center. I use a local shop that has a license to do it, and they're cool about stuff like that. I was thinking of using a C6 trans, because they are cheap. And thanks to someone that has already done this swap, I know a 460 with a C6 fits with ease in a CV. I know C6's are not exactly a model of efficiency (and lack OD,) but that's ok. I'm more concerned about getting everything installed and functional. Then I will worry about making improvements to the setup.

 

There's one more thing that I just thought about... I assume my Vic (which will have ABS) takes its readings from wheel sensors, and not a trans output shaft sensor? If it does take it off of the trans, that might cause some issues.

 

Well that will be a problem with the speedo, I assume Vic's use a similar ABS system to a mustang, which is 4 wheel sensors.

 

If it does take the reading via wheel sensors, then I should be fine. It would still be nice to hook the stock trans up to the 460 though, since that would save me some money. However, I have yet to find/hear about any sort of adapter option to make that possible.

 

Misfire monitor uses CKP signal, not CMP.

 

I believe you are right about 97 being the last year for a 460. Even though it may have an ODBII style connector, it is not ODBII compliant. It is OBDI.

 

Alright, let me try to get this right then. It actually uses the CKP sensor to detect the misfire and the CMP to determine which cylinder was misfiring. Alittle closer to it?

 

Every car since 1996 has to be OBDII compliant. If cars with 460's hadn't been in 96 and 97, then I'm sure Ford would have been fined, etc. for it.

 

Well.. a F250 isnt exactly a car so it may be different, light truck or what not.

 

By car I meant automobile I assumed it applied to everything, but I suppose there's a chance that it didn't.

 

I'm sure the 460 has a way to trigger the injectors, though it would probably use the distributor instead of the cam. In addition, I would not be the least bit surprised if the harness is completely different, especially since the 460 has a distributor (except 96-97 I believe). So, it may be in your best interest to pull out the comp and harness from the donor truck. In addition, watch out because trucks used speed-density FI into the 90's, so try to get one that uses MAF.
As for the speed sensors, the wheels are for ABS, trans for speedo/odometer.