haha jack owns.

 

I don't see anything wrong with having different views on abortion. I have said it several times that I hate abortion, I think it's a horrible thing, but what gives you, me or some politician in Washington the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body regardless if she chose to have sex or not? I've heard several people say, "well, the mom can always give up the baby to adoption". Really? That's the answer. In most urban areas there are TONS of kids in the foster care system waiting to be adopted....so I want to know if you or any of your conservative buddies plan on adopting these kids?

I also think you probably need to get the the notion out of your head that politicians or anyone for that matter supports leaving born babies to die a horrible death because that's not reality. I think it's a scare tactics and dirty politics that are suggesting these things and both parties should put a stop to it.

I'm not a hardcore Obama supporter, as a matter of fact I think both candidates would be better than the monkey we have in office now. With that said, if a person came on this website posting a bunch of BS, lies, and scare tactics against John McCain I'd be the first to call them on it because it's all BS. So for me it's not about Obama or McCain, it's the lies and BS that you have posted without checking sources or thinking it through because you heard it on the Sean Hannity show or some other crap.

I think as a voter you have the obligation to look at both sides of the story and CHECK YOUR FACTS before making your decision, and if you always seem to lean to one party based on the facts that's perfectly ok, but the voters who just go party line in my opinion are idiots.

 

Chris,

As reported by CNN. You notice most of the analysts say that both bills were worded almost identically?..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY

I mean, I don't know, can all of this really be wrong? Even reports by extreme left-wing media corps. like CNN and MSNBC? Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but I really don't think I am.

 

I think that A Majority of issues about Obama in my mind stems from trust and judgement. I seem to remember you agreeing with me about "gut feeling" a couple of months ago and my gut and my heart tells me that this man isn't trustworthy. I know if I mention his wife I will get my head chewed off, but she is a partial reflection of him and his views as well and if she isn't proud of this country then he probably shares the same views. He has ties with a terrorist and I, like John McCain could care less about some old washed up piece of scumbag like Bill Ayers, but again we are falling into Judgement issues. Obama should have taken a look at Bill Ayers and said, this isn't someone I want to associate with. I think that I speak for most of the people on this forum, none of us would even acknowledge someone like him, much less sit on a board or launch your political career in his home today or 13 years ago.

Also, his stats about 95% of small business income is lower than $200k is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard in my life. It is a flat out lie. We are talking about Gross income here, how much the business makes in one full tax year. His "facts" about healthcare costing $12,000/yr are bogus lies as well. I sell insurance, health insurance included for Humana One, Blue Cross, Assurant, etc. and the Average cost for a family would be somewhere around $6,000-7,000/yr. and that's not even a group plan.

Obama also plans to start roughly $800 billion in new spending plans, but is going to cut taxes? McCain has brought this up in every debate thus far and Obama has not denied it, he simply said he might have to "hold off" on a few of those programs in the first debate. So, logically you tell me, Spend an extra $800 billion, but cut taxes. How would that work? It wouldn't and Won't. He has specifically said that he would not freeze government spending, he just simply wants to "look over it" and he'll tell us what programs we don't need. Where is our choice on where our money goes?

I'm sorry, but Obama can make his tax plan "sound" good, but if you really sit down and look at it, it is fundamentally flawed. You can not spend more money and collect less taxes. It. Won't. Work.

 

If you look at the facts of both candidates and your gut tells you to go with McCain I think that is great. I'm not trying to change your mind on who you vote for. Nobody has issue with you when you talk about differences in policies and your feeling on them. It's when you get into the Bill Ayers, dead babies and other BS that doesn't matter. You really really really need to stop drinking the Sean Hannity kool aid.

Obama was 8 years old with Bill Ayers committed his act against this country....ok that's a fact. So Obama does NOT have ties to a terrorist. But you are going to say that Obama sat on a Board with probably 20 other community leaders that included Bill Ayers, so that makes him connected to him. I'm probably safe in assuming you've never sat on a board and probably have NO idea how they work, but because he sat on a Board that was ran by a top advisor to Reagan you are going to say that Obama has ties with a terrorist? I mean come on dude.

What if you did some community work locally with individuals you barely knew and found out later that they had previous criminal records. Now you are guilty if you run for office?

Also, regarding Obama's wife....again with the Sean Hannity BS sound bites. Did you listen to her entire remarks?

Stick to the issues that most people give a **** about like taxes, health care and the economy and stop focusing on BS that doesnt' even matter.

 

I can't believe I've missed this entire conversation. Where have I been? lol

 

Dude, you can try to defend Michelle Obama all that you want, but there is no one in this world who can tell me that she doesn't have serious issues. Just listening to her you can tell that she has a major chip on her shoulder and has problems with White people, I'm sorry to bring race into it, but it is just completely obvious. Rev. Wright has proven that plenty for me though his preaching of "Black Liberation Theology" and Obama has called this man a mentor. But you want me to stick to the "facts" which = anything that doesn't publicly make Barry look bad. The fact is that we deserve to know everything that there is to know about the person who could be running this country.

PS. I stuck to the tax and health issues in my last post and you breezed right through it, I guess it was easily overlooked since it's not what you wanted to hear.

 

I didn't address the health care and tax issue because I'm focused on squashing all the other bullshit. Yeah, we disagree on health care and taxes...what else do you want me to say? Both McCain and Obama have plans to spend way more money than we have, and you know what.....they both know they can't do it without the money so they BOTH have said their plans would have to be adjusted or scratched because of the times.

I don't know if Michelle Obama has a chip on her shoulder or not, and I don't really care cause I'm not electing her. You my friend should be more worried about how bad Palin is, not the Obama's wife.

I'm not starting an arguement, just asking........Did you watch the debates last night? I think it was ABC....but one of the major networks had several undecided voters from Virginia, which has voted republican as a state since god knows when.....but they had these people in the room and they asked them questions based on the debate. One of the questions was if they knew someone who won't vote for Obama because of his race. I was shocked when 4 of the 8 or 9 people raised their hand.

 

So how bad is Sarah Palin exactly? The woman who went against her own party to bring reform to Alaska. The woman who has an 80% approval rating in her home state of Alaska. The woman who instead of taking the easy way out is going to raise a child with disabilities. Sounds like a horrible person to me.

I focus on Michelle Obama because, I don't know about you, but my fiance' and I tend to have a lot of the same outlooks on most things. I know that we would not be completely different on a view when it comes to racial views and for the most part we agree on political terms as well. Is that not the same as you and your wife? -- I'm not saying that you agree on every single incident or term, but generally speaking.

I don't care how you swing it, this statement sounds bad and induces doubt in a lot of people. They are asking "If this is how she feels, does he share the same view or opinion?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGjR81pFJI4

Another statement, possibly taken out of context, but words that he has spoken and this is not the only interview where he used the phrase "typical white person."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI

--Yes I did watch the Debate last night and the last 3.

As far as your question of ABC news last night. Do you not know someone who wouldn't vote for him because of his race? IF you answer truthfully then I highly doubt that you do. I for one am not that person, but yes, I do know several people who wouldn't vote for him because of his skin color. It is unfortunate for this day in time, but completely true.

Credit ABC News.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3LXvVlsI4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz1goz0V2Y4
I am not saying that I believe every word of every one of these videos or news reports, but does it not strike you as odd or offensive in the least? Condemning white people in a "church", using the term "god damn america" or blaming America for 9/11? This is a "church" that Sen. Obama attended for 17+ years, but has suddenly distanced himself from because of his campaign. This is yet another example of associating or being a part of radicals and I'm sorry, but this does scare me a little bit.

I feel like I am well within my rights to worry about some of these issues and that it is completely unfair to condemn me or anyone else who shares the same questions. All that we want to know is can we feel safe electing this man as the leader of America, or are there too many skelatons rotting away in the closet and being swept under the rugs to honestly feel secure?.

 

I am not even going to get started about my opinions on Gov. Sarah Palin....

tisk, tisk...

 

I don't think she is a bad person personally. I don't attack candidates personally like WNRacing and his Hannity clones. I don't think she is qualified and I don't give a **** what she did in Alaska, the woman can't or won't answer simple questions about policy. There are a lot of Mayors in this country that represent more people that Palin does in Alaska and have a lot more experience. She is very nice on the eyes though.

WNRacing, don't think I'm not addressing the issues in your last post because I don't have an answer. I'm just tired of going back and forth with you that's all. If wan't to disagree with me on policy issues that is fine, but I'm tired of you bringing up all the other stuff that at the end of the day doesn't matter. Do you think the average person who is struggling to make it gives a **** about William Ayers or that Reverend? I think that if people truly cared about all that junk then Obama wouldn't be the nominee.

I'm going to say it again because I listen to Sean Hannity every now and again and you my friend must have recieved a copy of his talking points.

I'm going to do my best not to respond to anymore political threads until after the election.....key word is try. ha ha ha.

 

Yeah i've tried not to chime in. Its pointless.

 

Ok, explain this to me.

Why is it ufair to question a presidential candidates patriotism to this country? I have the answer for you, it isn't, unless they have something to hide.

They have put themselves on the block to be questioned and as an American citizen I reserve the right to 1. ask whatever questions I see fit and 2. voice my opinion whatever it may be.

So far you have compared me to Shawn Hannity, and Steeda has gone so far as to call me a redneck, presumably because I live in the south and apparently demonstrate racism because I am not going to vote for the (1/4) "black" candidate.

I'm sorry that the four of you fail to see that Obama has aligned himself with a cult disguising itself as a house of god that practices racial elitism and that he has socialistic views of taking wealth from the successful and "spreading it around" to the poor and lazy. "There is nothing wrong with taking money from a group of people and giving it to the mass majority of people." Socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

You can argue both of those statements all that you want, until you're blue in the face, but the bottom line is that both statements are cemented truth. The man has been a part of the TUCC for over 17 years, was married by a man that hates America and the white people that live here.

This country deserves a patriot that is going to fight for everyone, not just one demographic or one culture. Call me a radical, I couldn't care less because I will not support someone who's "mentor" is a Racist, hateful, disgusting human being (Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.) who by the way does not deserve the right to be called a reverand, he should be called what he is; a racist piece of dirt.

 

I really wish a moderator would close this thread. Its really annoying.Your way off.


Since when does Obamas wife hate America and white people? Explain this to me. Where do you get your information from?

 

Who cares guys. Jaysus.

Obama sucks the donkeys dick aight?

 

I think Palin is goofy, and i find her hard to take seriously. Then again, i remember when i was a kid, Will Smith was part of DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince. Seeing him cast as the lead in INDEPENDANCE DAY i thought it was rediculous they would cast that idiot, now he is probably my favorite actor.

As for his wife.. She might have made a poor choice of words by the way it could be construed, but keep in mind being a patriot does not mean having blind faith in the leadership and the requirement of immediate approval of all actions by the governing leaders. There are a lot of things this country has done that i dont agree with, ive actually been pretty disgusted with the leadership we have had for the past 8 years, im ashamed that we are piddling away our own rights under the fear of "terrorism" and allowing "Homeland Security" to invade any aspect of our lives because they keep saying TERRORIST, and the problem is the people are allowing the government to get away with it. I dont like the way this country is going. I dont have to like the way this is going, and i can be ashamed of our leaders and still be a patriot because challenging leaders is what keeps the power to the people and the people are the country, not the current administration. I am america, you are america, we are all america, much so more than the bush administration. They are simply the ones we elected to hopefully keep things running smoothly because we need organization.

All i see in that video is her simply expressing a relief and joy about the attitude of the american people towards thier leadership and the recognition that something needs to be done. I dont see her saying that she is ashamed and hates america.

I dunno, personally, i think the use of that video to reenforce your point on her is pretty thin.


typical white person.... i dunno, i really think he just should have worded it differently. You know how many black jokes i tell? Jew jokes? mexican jokes? *** jokes? One of my good firneds is half mexican, one of my absolute best friends is gay, and i knew he was gay when i met him, this isnt the childhood friend coming out of the closet. I dont know a lot of black people, but im about to vote for a black person to be the ******* president.

For me to judge him for a rather fitting phrase that did a good job of summing up his white grandma, would be ludacrisly hypocritical.

His choice of words is easy to take out of context, because his choice of words are questionable, but i dont feel he had any malovelant or spiteful intent behind them, all in all, to me it is just a poor choice of words used to make a rather well stated generalization about older white people that generally dont trust blacks because that is how the culture was back then.

My responce to this... Whoop-tee-doo

I think everyone knows somone who wouldnt vote for him because he is black. I know a lot of people, i know my family, friends, etc, would never vote for mccain simply because obama is black. Well, my grandfather would but he is just a hateful old bastard. lol.

Ok yeah, personally i think somone oughtta just drag that idiot in the street and shoot him like a dog. I think the same about Al Sharpten, jesse Jackson, and all the other black politicians that polarize thier entire political views around racism against white people.

As far as obama's relation to him, and being in the church for 17 years, and this lunatic marrying Obama and his wife...

well, a lot of the time people dont just start out they way they currently are, i have to take in with a grain of salt. This im sure is the church his bklack grandma and mom and dad go to. It really appears to be a church of ignorance, however, obama left that church. Why did he stay in it for so long? Maybe it was a good opportunity to see some of his family, maybe he really diddnt believe all the rhetoric that this idiot spouts. Maybe this guy married obama and his wife because obama's mom insisted that they use him because he was thier family preacher. And maybe this guy wasnt like this 10 years ago. He may be spiraling down the deep end the last few years and while he probably always hated white guys now as he gets old and times are more lax for black people he can just spout whatever he wants and he knows h will have the support of al sharpton and jesse jackson.

I Did notice that he is not obamas running mate.

And as for crazy people, My mother in law 10 years ago was a normal intelligent and sane woman. Now she thinks the government is tracking her and that cannibals are kidnapping and eating innocent people.

And i certainly dont hold rebecca accountable for her moms rediculous beliefs, nor to i expect her to shun her mother out of her life.

A lot of churches, the members look at the pastor/ priest/ minister as family. Just cause you dont like them, doesent mean you would be willing to just outright condemn them.

As for Obama's actions, i really have never seen any evidence that he is racist against whites. Black politicians who hate whites are generally pretty damn outspoken about it like al sharpton.




This statement is great. it really is. I mean, you have the Skeletons right? wait, im sorry, Rotting Skeletons, thats good because it adds a touch of vileness to the skeleton, rendering it putrid and half rotting! Brilliant! And of course the closet mention, skeletons in the clost, scary scary scary secrets, locked away, from prying eyes, horrible horrible things lurking beneath! ready to pounce!

And swept under the rugs! We all know that for something to be swept under a rug that others are involved, which means we have a conpiracy afoot! A cloak of back alley shady dealings with untrustworthy foul lurcking people, behind the scenes pulling the strings, sweeping the horrible secrets under the rug and out of the view of good niave trusting people!

Sorry man, it is the rediculous statements like that which i have a hard time taking seriously.

 

Lol! More priceless and groundless rhetoric. .... ya know, the more i click on the links and look into the accousations you make, the thinner your arguement looks.

i mean wow..., you really believe all that dont ya?

Like i said, my mother in law believes fully that the government is tracking her by a chip in her dentures and cannibals lurk the streets at night to kill unsuspecting prey.

she believes all that, just as much as you believe the rediculous links that you have attached to obama.

doesent mean either of you are right.

And i assume your mention of socialism has to do with the 800 billion bailout right?... funny, i diddnt realize obama had the ability to construct and pass that all on his own! i mean, its not like hundreds of other elected officials worked on it, and then congress and the senate PASSED it... no, blame that whole thing on obama.

OMG! HEY! There is an accomplishment that you keep asking for from Obama! The 800 billion dollar bailout plan that was clearly crafted and constructed and passed by nobody but OBAMA!

 

You're behavior is that of a 12 year old Chris. You say that I exxagerate things, yet you come back and do the same ****. You're a ******* hypocrite.

There was not one mention of the bailout in anything that I have said so far in this entire discussion, in fact I posted a link to what I was referring to and if you're too ******* blind to see it then I don't know what to tell you. And I believe that nearly every video clip that I have posted in this later discussion has had Obama speaking directly, no media speaking for him. We're talking words directly from his mouth.

The facts that surround Obama's "church" are just that. The video clips that are on the web are taken directly from videos produced and sold by the church. IF you want to disalow them as factual then it just goes to show how blind you truly are. If you want to consider a 17 year relationship to the "church" a rediculous link then you are even more opaque then even I have give you credit for.

And by the way, just because you think you are right (as you said of your Grandmother) doesn't mean you are. So keep bashing.

 

Pcola FTMFW

 

I don't know about that PColav6, looks like McCains been sucking on something...



A friend sent that to me, said it was from last nights debate.

 

This thread has runs its course.

 

On that note, im closing the thread.

Everyone has seen eachothers sides, as absolutly rediculous as some of those sides may be, all that is gonna happen now is people are gonna start getting mad and throwing poop at eachother.