yup

 

it would but why would you want to they sound horrible.

trust me and everyone else here GO AFTER MARKET

 

Ok, but useing a stcok gt h-pipe and going with an aftermarket exhaust would be fine right? How much of the sound actually depends on the mid pipe? The reason I''m asking this is because I found some local guy selling his mid pipe for near nothing and it seems to be fine.

 

need a sixer h pipe and then any gt takeoff system. Spike corrected me on that one

 

now its right

 

hehe i figured that was a given

 

just adding a little clarification

 

Ok, thanks for the info. Seems that DJ_Nate and I are wanting the same/similar things. If that clarifys anything said so far in this thread. Only differences being that he has a bit more cash to spend and seems to know some basics. The overall reason I'm interested in upgrading my v6 is because I like the v6 gas milage and insurance rates. The stock version seems just a bit...(plain?) to me and I want to do something to make it "my car" if you get that. Sorry if this is a repeat of anything I've said so far but I just want to get things clairified. So far I've been hung up on exhaust and CAI's.
Can you guys sugest anything else? I"ve heard a little bit about pulley systems but will they reduce power to my accessories?

 

Well you say its plain seems to me you want to change that so add some looks to your car. Mach 1 chin spoiler. mach 1 delete grill kit. get some 232 or 3.8 badges. get a gt rear bumper. get some fr500 rims or some saleen rims.

for the exhaust, like i said b4 go to a local shop say what would you recommend for an exhaust system and have them make one for you it take 1-2 hours max and 300-500 bucks easy your done dont make this really hard on your self. just about anything is going to make a difference

 

Ok, thanks. I'll try some rims and check out some local shops and I think I'll get to work on getting those stripes and other things done, any one know what goes well with the 'true blue' color, I was thinking maybe graphite? Is a pulley system any good? I know I'm looking for mostly looks but they seem to add a bit of horse power and add some looks to the engine. Are the gains they claim realistic, 8-15 from most of the ones I've seen?

 

I like the flat black and graphite colors with true blue. Just avoid yellow and bright greens cuz those will look like azz by default. Didn't you ever take an art class in high school? Do they still teach the color wheel?

Other than that, cheddar nailed it. If looks is your bag, mach 1 chin spoiler and grill delete are a great start. Any old take-off gt rims will help too and be cheap as hell as these things go.

 

I didn't think that black would show up on that dark of a blue.Graphite seems to be a pretty good choice, another color I was thinking of was a gunmetal color.I have a scale model of a 2002 mustang a relative sent me awhile ago, he's a car enthusiast who got me interested in stangs, I've been getting some stripe tape from a hobby store to test out some design ideas if I could find my camera I would post some pictures of it with a design I've been thinking about and my real mustang. As for art class, I have zero art skill and get little enjoyment out of it, so I never really considered an art class.

 

that is the best bang for the buck right there and they look gr8

another idea that would be cool for appearance and a [B]small[B/] bit of hp is a shaker system.

 

that is the best bang for the buck right there and they look gr8

another idea that would be cool for appearance and a small bit of hp is a shaker system. but... they are a little pricey

 

You mean the Mach 1 air intake shaker system? If so, I've been eyeing that kit for $800. That's very appealing to me, the 2004 mach 1 is my dream car, lol. It's no shelby but I love that shaker...not sure why that one aspect makes it my dream car though. Maybe its the uniqueness, not many cars out there with a shaker.(Doesn't the dodge ram have one?) Anyway Isn't the shaker just an expensive CAI? And yeah gt rims look pretty good in my book.

 

yes thats what im talking about. 400 bucks on ebay. not its not a cai. Its ram air and if you have a shaker you can also have a CAI sorta thing also

 

So what is the difference between a ram air system and a CAI? As far as I know the ram air is a more direct version of the intake system placed for having air "rammed" into it such as on the hood and behind the grill. CAI cools the air with surface area over the filter and something to do with the intake pipe. Right?
Haven't seen one for $400 though seen some going for $700 just now though through a quick browse through.

 

ok i will explain to the best of my knowledge. Ram air is usually a shorter tube and CAI is longer tube. Ram air is Hot, CAI air is colder

http://www.americanmuscle.com/ramairshscsy.html
http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/...0%201&comp=LRS
http://motors.search.ebay.com/Shaker...QQsofocusZmppf

 

Ok, thanks for the links. The third item down looks promising comes with a hood and everything, but its for a gt...but since it comes with a gt hood it should be fine right, or would it connect differently? Not sure if you can answer this but how does the ram air get hot? Isn't it just the temperature of the outside air? Then again that would mean you couldn't drive it anywhere cold cause of hot engine+cold air inside = crack, I'm sure there's a way that it does it then.
CheddarBob you've been a great help, answering my questions and putting up with the newbie intelligence.

 

Pretty sure the cooler air is what you want, not hot air.
Cooler air is more dense..=more flow
Hot air lingering inside the intake = blah


I have been wrong before, though.

 

not quite.

Ram Air is a myth. You can't force air through a tube into the motor unless your inlet is giant and then it still wouldn't help much. You're simply trying to maintain a high pressure area in front of the linlet. It's not cooler, or hotter...it's just from a different place.

The Boss429 mustang was the last one made with a scoop that was big enough to actually do its job but it was placed poorly to do its job. Too bad the 429cid engine drank way more air than that scoop could ever provide.

You're dead on right this time.

Here's the facts of the matter:

CAI usually isn't. It intends on picking up air that's cool and dense from the fenderwell or some other protected area. It does end up smoothing flow over the corrugated stock tube but temp isn't affected enough by most kits to trade them for 2 squirts of cold ****.

Ram Air is a Myth. Period. It's for silly people that believe marketing over cold hard science. It's a neato cool factor for sure but as far as "forcing" cold air down the engine's throat... hahahahahaha don't make me laugh so hard. You have to realize the volume of air ingested by a v8 engine under load and high rpm. There's no keeping up with it short of a mechanical compressor (blower, turbo) period. If you want to "ram" air in then you'll need a scoop with frontal area sufficient to capture 600+ CFM of air at ambient pressure with no losses out the sides of the contraption while maintaining the speed you need to scoop that much and negating the drag caused by such a large scoop. RAM AIR = B S.

If you want a CAI then it's for bling. Get a K&N kit. THe plastic inlet tube doesn 't conduct heat as well as aluminum or steel and so the intake charge stays cooler. That's science, that's real. that's worth about 1-5hp.

 

well also a CAI gets its power in the higher rpms and a ram intake gets its power down low but for very short time with minimal gain

 

...ok, what I got out of that is that ram air and CAI's hardly do anything if that and are for looks. What I meant by how the air gets hot is that, I thought that if a cold air hit the hit hot engine it would crack like when you put ice water in a glass that's really hot and vice versa and I was wondering how this would work out for mach 1 owners in snowy climates or going through a cold area.

 

if you take a hose and spray cold water on your engine when its hot then yes you will prob crack something... air's just air you won't crack your manifold from air

 

i think your getting the wrong idea from this "cold air intake". The intake doesn't cool the air as it travels... for example the K&N intake takes the "cooler" air out of your engine bay since its protected from the heat of the engine by the heatshield. The air tahts going into your car is going to be whatever temperature your fender area is. For example the K&N just takes in more air than a stock one. Just think of it like this the Mach1 shaker does the same thing but it takes the air from a different location. If its cold outside your fender area and outside are going to be a fairly equal temperature. Just showing how its impossible for cold air to crack your manifold

EDIT: if that doesn't make sense just don't worry about messing anything up from a CAI =)

 

K &N seems to be the way to go with CAI, is it possible to combo the Ram air and a CAI? Maybe adding both miniscule gains together makes somehing not completely worthless? Oh yeah still wondering about those pulley systems.

 

yea you can if you want. Jack did it here are pictures: https://mustangboards.com/pictures/2...stuff-all.html
If you can find a used K&N FIPK I guess do it but if not just do one or the other or use the stock intake with the Shaker and add a K&N filter. Pulley's are not worth it

 

not sure if this would work since its a six but it might
http://www.stangmods.com/JLT-Intake-p/00451.htm

 

throttle body is different so it wont

 

yeah and so is the entire manifold and plenum