3.8 potential

the gillz · 06-21-2006, 02:33 PM

is it possible to get a 99-04 3.8L manual to run at best a 14.5 with NO power adders?

WikidStang · 06-21-2006, 04:25 PM

Highly unlikely...the best I ran with an auto was a high 16.

customstang · 06-21-2006, 04:39 PM

WikidStang · 06-21-2006, 04:54 PM

the best thing to do is run flowmasters 40 series and hollow out the cats...I done mine this way and running against a few trucks. Im also running H pipe about to run X to see if there is a major change. This weekend im running againts an SRT10 last weekend I ran a SS camaro and only lost by two car links. So yea it does give the v6 some power.

spike_africa · 06-21-2006, 04:56 PM

You can run 14.5 all motor with traction gears and some mods.

customstang · 06-21-2006, 05:06 PM

4.10 gears, trac-lok differential (31 spline), 31 spline axles, drag radials or 315 street tires, headers, midpipe, catback, intake, dyno tune. May get you there, otherwise you may need to do cams.

Teal_Beast · 06-21-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by customstang

4.10 gears, trac-lok differential (31 spline), 31 spline axles, drag radials or 315 street tires, headers, midpipe, catback, intake, dyno tune. May get you there, otherwise you may need to do cams.

CAM its OHV not OHC

but yea 14.5 is very do-able with no power adder

customstang · 06-21-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Teal_Beast

CAM its OHV not OHC

but yea 14.5 is very do-able with no power adder

Sorry, I'm not used to the V6. Wanna fill me in? (I'm not being a smartass)

Teal_Beast · 06-21-2006, 06:02 PM

your car is a mod motor, the 4.6 cobra and GT are over head cam motors aka OHC, they have the cams in the heads, the cobra has 4 the GT has 2. the 3.8lv6, much like the 5.0l has an over head valve configuration, it has 1 cam and pushrods.

so when buying a cam, or cams

you buy
1 cam for a 3.8
2 cams for a GT 4.6
4 cams for a cobra 4.6

got it?

styles · 06-21-2006, 06:05 PM

dont know about you guys but there was nothing i could do to my v6 that could make a big difference

cuban3jumper · 06-21-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by styles

dont know about you guys but there was nothing i could do to my v6 that could make a big difference

You didn't try hard enough then.

customstang: Good advice but he won't need the headers or the 31 spine axles. If he's going to run slicks he should go and get a 8.8" rear out of a GT.

WikidStang: If you lost to an SS by only two car lengths the SS driver blows. As far as hollowing out the cats eh at this point it's not that great of a gain except in your mind.

You can get a 99+ manual into the mid 14's with a good driver, traction, gears, bolt-ons, and a tune. Throw in a nice custom N/A cam some P&P heads and intakes you'll break into the low14's to high 13's N/A.

95STANG · 06-21-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WikidStang

Highly unlikely...the best I ran with an auto was a high 16.

BTW you'd prob run faster w/o the 20s on. But hey, it is only a sixer so i guess it comes down to style before performance to some guys. Not to flame or anything just telling you.

Teal_Beast · 06-21-2006, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by styles

dont know about you guys but there was nothing i could do to my v6 that could make a big difference

nothing eh? i slapped on a TT kit and made like 250% hp

customstang · 06-21-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cuban3jumper

customstang: Good advice but he won't need the headers or the 31 spine axles. If he's going to run slicks he should go and get a 8.8" rear out of a GT.

I guess if it was my car and I was running slicks, I would want the heavier duty axles to handle the abuse, so I wouldn't come home on a trailer. Even though he's not making as much power as my V8, any time you keep the tires from spinning puts all of that torque on the axles. Heck people are breaking stock axles on Mach 1's with street tires...

And the headers would be one of the last, along with the cam, depending on how much money he wants to spend.

EDIT: and ya he should get a 8.8" differential

cuban3jumper · 06-22-2006, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by customstang

I guess if it was my car and I was running slicks, I would want the heavier duty axles to handle the abuse, so I wouldn't come home on a trailer. Even though he's not making as much power as my V8, any time you keep the tires from spinning puts all of that torque on the axles. Heck people are breaking stock axles on Mach 1's with street tires...

And the headers would be one of the last, along with the cam, depending on how much money he wants to spend.

EDIT: and ya he should get a 8.8" differential

99+ exhaust manifolds flow well enough for up to 350rwhp. He won't be making that n/a...

And he won't need the 31 spines trust me. Not yet.

Saleen S330 · 06-22-2006, 06:24 AM

My friends o4 V6 has Mac straight shot,pypes x pipe and catback, 3.73 gears and Tlok, UDPs,superchips tuner, and ran a mid 15 in the quarter and was spinning in 1st and 2nd gear, stock rims and tires. So mid 14's wouldn't be hard. Drag radials, ported heads, cam and your there.

I wouldn't use slicks and dump it at 3 or 4K rpms on stock axles. They might take it for awhile but awhile is all. I would use Drag Radials, slip the clutch and then give it hell.

Teal_Beast · 06-22-2006, 06:28 AM

well we know the v6 can go into the 12's all motor, Tom Y went 12 flat with his build H/C/I 4.3l stroker in his green foxbody.

and i remmber seeing a couple people go 13's with topend swaps and traction

Saleen S330 · 06-22-2006, 06:31 AM

If you have the money, anything is possible. It's pretty cool seeing a V6 run like that, i definitely give props to you guys.

Grimmz · 06-22-2006, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teal_Beast

your car is a mod motor, the 4.6 cobra and GT are over head cam motors aka OHC, they have the cams in the heads, the cobra has 4 the GT has 2. the 3.8lv6, much like the 5.0l has an over head valve configuration, it has 1 cam and pushrods.

so when buying a cam, or cams

you buy
1 cam for a 3.8
2 cams for a GT 4.6
4 cams for a cobra 4.6

got it?

hey sry not to hijack the thread, but how much do you think it would cost to get a new set of cam's installed? thats after buyin the cams, and new rockers and stuff

cuban3jumper · 06-22-2006, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimmz

hey sry not to hijack the thread, but how much do you think it would cost to get a new set of cam's installed? thats after buyin the cams, and new rockers and stuff

Cam bro cam not cams. Install prices vary from state to state region to region etc. Espect to pay atleast $500 probably more around 7-8. But if you're doing a cam swap you might as well swap the P&P heads and intakes while the top end is of anyways.

06-21-2006, 02:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
the gillz OG, double OG, tripleOG Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 302	3.8 potential is it possible to get a 99-04 3.8L manual to run at best a 14.5 with NO power adders?

06-21-2006, 04:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
WikidStang Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ar Posts: 192	Highly unlikely...the best I ran with an auto was a high 16. __________________ Exterior : Demon Body Kit Molded in 18" DrifZ Black powdercoat wrapped on Riken Raptors 18x8/8x40x245 front and 18x9.5/18x35x275 rear Black Shorty Antenna M3 Side Mirrors V2 1/4 window scoops Performance: CAI Hedman Headers PYPEs 2.5 X Pipe with Flowmaster 40's Posi Trac Rearend

06-21-2006, 04:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
customstang Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 263	Yep. __________________ 2004 Torch Red Mach I (Manual) Everything Stock Mods Before It's Paid Off (Hopefully): Flowmaster Super 40 Mufflers Black "MUSTANG" Rear Bumper Inserts Possible Mods After It's Paid Off: Gears Tune Supercharger

06-21-2006, 04:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
WikidStang Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ar Posts: 192	the best thing to do is run flowmasters 40 series and hollow out the cats...I done mine this way and running against a few trucks. Im also running H pipe about to run X to see if there is a major change. This weekend im running againts an SRT10 last weekend I ran a SS camaro and only lost by two car links. So yea it does give the v6 some power. __________________ Exterior : Demon Body Kit Molded in 18" DrifZ Black powdercoat wrapped on Riken Raptors 18x8/8x40x245 front and 18x9.5/18x35x275 rear Black Shorty Antenna M3 Side Mirrors V2 1/4 window scoops Performance: CAI Hedman Headers PYPEs 2.5 X Pipe with Flowmaster 40's Posi Trac Rearend

06-21-2006, 04:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,953	You can run 14.5 all motor with traction gears and some mods. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

06-21-2006, 05:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
customstang Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 263	4.10 gears, trac-lok differential (31 spline), 31 spline axles, drag radials or 315 street tires, headers, midpipe, catback, intake, dyno tune. May get you there, otherwise you may need to do cams. __________________ 2004 Torch Red Mach I (Manual) Everything Stock Mods Before It's Paid Off (Hopefully): Flowmaster Super 40 Mufflers Black "MUSTANG" Rear Bumper Inserts Possible Mods After It's Paid Off: Gears Tune Supercharger

06-21-2006, 06:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
Teal_Beast V6 Power Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 944	your car is a mod motor, the 4.6 cobra and GT are over head cam motors aka OHC, they have the cams in the heads, the cobra has 4 the GT has 2. the 3.8lv6, much like the 5.0l has an over head valve configuration, it has 1 cam and pushrods. so when buying a cam, or cams you buy 1 cam for a 3.8 2 cams for a GT 4.6 4 cams for a cobra 4.6 got it? __________________ '94 v6 Mustang Custom twin turbo kit by Justin @ vmp Split port engine swap from a 2000 v6 mustang 388whp 435wtq Want to go fishing in the Florida Keys? http://www.rustyiv.com/

06-22-2006, 06:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	My friends o4 V6 has Mac straight shot,pypes x pipe and catback, 3.73 gears and Tlok, UDPs,superchips tuner, and ran a mid 15 in the quarter and was spinning in 1st and 2nd gear, stock rims and tires. So mid 14's wouldn't be hard. Drag radials, ported heads, cam and your there. I wouldn't use slicks and dump it at 3 or 4K rpms on stock axles. They might take it for awhile but awhile is all. I would use Drag Radials, slip the clutch and then give it hell.

06-22-2006, 06:28 AM	#17 (permalink)
Teal_Beast V6 Power Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 944	well we know the v6 can go into the 12's all motor, Tom Y went 12 flat with his build H/C/I 4.3l stroker in his green foxbody. and i remmber seeing a couple people go 13's with topend swaps and traction __________________ '94 v6 Mustang Custom twin turbo kit by Justin @ vmp Split port engine swap from a 2000 v6 mustang 388whp 435wtq Want to go fishing in the Florida Keys? http://www.rustyiv.com/

06-22-2006, 06:31 AM	#18 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	If you have the money, anything is possible. It's pretty cool seeing a V6 run like that, i definitely give props to you guys.

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