I nominate Nick & Gillz for gayest argument with no point of the year.

LOL.

me, i want a 4x4 F150. but i won't be selling my mustang to get one.

if you do sell it, stay american please. don't buy import POSes.

Import POSs????

thats retarded. ALL import trucks sold in the US last longer and break down less than american trucks.

Oh boy... Come on Dave. That's a massive overstatement and even you know it.

on the RWD in snow argument, i do it every year. granted my car is v6, low gears should be used. just because its a v8 shouldnt render it useless. however, if you're not running snow tires, it probably has zero grip.

its snowing heavily right now (more than 3.5") and i'll be driving in it. i drove 30mi to work today in probably 2" of snow and it will likely be worse on the way home.

Lawlrus.


Gillz and King are gay lovers, so much tension between them

I got SUMITOMO HTRz's BALD on my front right now, and new sumitomo HTR+'s on the back and i can manage snow. i know if that machs gonna sell for 16k its gotta have good tires on it. ESPECIALLY all seasons considering where you live. BUT i wouldnt have a mach as a DD, it would sit in my garage till clean warm days. If it was a GT id say screw it, dime a dozen. main point, snow is a problem here in KY, its mountainous, and NEVER flat. I have to climb hills that people would shit bricks on.

Sounds like someone wants a medal.

Why would we shit bricks? I want to see a picture of these hills you have to climb all time.

really? Its a fact, not an overstatement.


All toyotas outlast all fords, chevys and dodges

All nissans do the same

honda doesnt make a truck...

I like american cars as much as the next guy, but jap crap outlasts american crap by far.

guess you like to laugh at the truth. whatev

Alright, I'm not going to argue with you on this one. You're wrong, but there will be no proving that no matter what is said or shown.

I know guys with little 4cyl Rangers that have beat the f'ing tar out of them and they just keep coming back for more, no different than one of your little 'yota's.

PS. Honda does make a truck, it's just on a Mini-van chassis.... :rolleyes: LOL

Don't even bother... I don't live terribly far from him and it very rarely ever snows around here. The only thing that Kentucky/Tennessee usually has to worry about is ice, and that isn't really all that big of a deal anymore either. It snowed here today...... Everyone was freaking out... Didn't even get 1.5" on the ground.. It's almost all melted now...

Im not wrong at all bro.

you named the single most reliable american truck on the market... the ranger... oh...wait...what did you say made it reliable? ...hmm...it kept going and going... guess who made that 4cyl motor...NOT ford. The heart of your Ranger example is japanese.

and PS...a honda ridgeline is NOT a truck.

There is no question that a toyota will out last ANY of the big three's trucks. I can replace Toyota with Nissan and it works out the same.

Im not saying any of this because I have a toyota...its just true.

Sucks that you're going to get rid of the Mach, Nick, but you gotta do what you gotta do. All I can hope is that it goes to a good home where someone will love it and take care of it like you did.

I guess it all depends on how you look at longevity.. How much work can a little 4cyl Toyota/Nissan really do? How much can it haul? I mean, yeah it can run for 400,000 miles, but is that all it can do? Even the larger V6 imports have their limitations.

Americans have and will always be convinced that bigger, louder, stronger is better and you have to expect a bigger, harder working engine is probably not going to last as long as a smaller, lighter and overall less powerful package.

Imports got the longevity part right by putting light engines in light body & frame packages that produced less stress on the drivetrain. But now.... What about the V8 Titans? Or any of the new V8 models produced by the import auto makers? They have just as many if not more problems than any American V8 ever has.

As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to a full Size truck that's meant to work I'll take a Ford anyday over any import. Period.

Now for a light duty, small pickup.. I'd probably go with a Toyota or something similar (Like a Ranger.)

Ok, so, how about this. Go on autotrader, list up all trucks, all makes, etc..

then change the filter so it displays the cars/trucks with the highest mileage.

I did this, within 500 miles of my home, all trucks, all makes, models, years, etc, placed highest mileage first.

1) 2000 Ford F350, 397,000 miles
2) 2003 Dodge Ram = 364,000 miles
3) 1999 toyota tacoma, 320,000 miles
4) 2000 ford F350 319,000 miles
5) 1999 ford F350 307,000 miles
6) 1998 dodge ram, 307,702 miles
7) 1986 Chevrolet Silverado 300,000 miles
8) 1999 Ford F350 296,000 miles
9) 1995 ford F250, 291,000 miles
10) 1999 ford F150 285,000 miles


so.... we have one toyota, and 6 fords, 2 dodges, and one chevy.

i dunno man, your statement doesent seem to hold up very well.

lets go a bit further so we can find more imports

11) 1997 chevy cilverado 284k
12) 1986 nissan pickup, 279k
13) ford f350, 279k
14) chevy silverado, 275k
15) ford F250 274k
16) ford f250 273k
17) Ford F250 267k
18) chevy silverado 264k
19) chevy silverado 262k
20) Ford F350 259k miles.

huh... thats wierd... looks like all the running trucks with real high mileage are domestic trucks from the big 3, outnumbering toyota and nissan 19 to 1.

:D

put that in your toyota and smoke it.

:t:

EDIT: Ya know, it really does take a while before you start finding imports, i kept searching down, out of 50 trucks over 200,000 miles, 3-4 were imports, the rest are domestic.

what happened to all the super reliable imports? .. oh yah, they got junked at 163,000 miles.

HAHAHAHAHA

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...00198.1-lg.jpg


yes they do.

LOL... :rolleyes:

It's really not a truck.. It's basically a Honda Mini-Van that's missing the back half.. ROTF.

You can't really use this as a basis for your example though. Just because the imports with high mileage aren't up for sale, doesn't mean they aren't still running hence why the owner doesn't want to give it up. Hence why you don't see them on autotrader. American cars get a bad rap, but I think a lot of the reliability comes down to the person who takes care of the car. My uncle has a 99 F150 with over 300,000 miles on it and hasn't had to do any major repairs. He changes the oil on time and that's about it. I've seen imports last a long time and not last that long. Same for american.

I bought my car used with about 60,000 miles on it. It has 135,000 now and runs strong. I've replaced the battery and spark plugs and that's it. Oh and brakes, but that was an upgrade. I do my oil change every 3000ish miles and she keeps on going.

Gillz, I stand corrected. I could've swore that I had mentioned that I'm upside down on my loan here...but then again I've got a thread like this going on on several sites.

Anyway, when I bought it the economy was thriving -- I had a secure job, and was confident that I could make this work. Then I left my job for school and when I came back there were no jobs to be had for 10 months. Then I fell into the emissions job I've got today, and I've only had this since August. But last summer book for my car dropped over $6,000...you don't usually expect that to happen. So am I a dumbass? No, just got caught in a bad situation along with millions of other folks once the economy tanked.

As far as RWD cars are concerned, most are easy to drive in the snow - V6 Mustang's included. But when buying a V8 Mach 1 in the Spring you're not thinking about the weather that's going to be coming in the end of the year. I don't care who you are, that is not running through your mind. So, like I said in another thread, 'ignorance is bliss' I suppose.

Anyway, I gracefully accept my nomination for gayest argument of year because it really has been. Hell, I almost went to the Stephen level for comments there for a little while, and that sickens me. So I'm done with all of that.

But fact of the matter is that in my current financial situation, keeping the Mach does not make sense.

And Evan, I can't fit in Ford Rangers. I'm 6'5''.

I also can't fit into any of the 90s Nissan Pathfinders, and a few other vehicles. (just thought that I would throw that random fact out there for everybody)

those are ones for sale... has NOTHING to do with longevity. They outnumber imports because chevy alone cranks out more trucks than all the imports combined here in the states.

Another reason you dont see many yodas for sale, is that ppl love them and are still driving them and they havent let them down in any way at all. Your example not only doesnt apply to the topic, but its a skewed view of the market based on for sale ads and units produced.




If you think that a ridgeline is a truck...you are a moron.

oh horseshit, you absolutly CAN use that information as a basis on a statement.

That absolutly shows that there are more high mileage domestic trucks in running condition on the road.

The idea that import owners just dont ever sell thier high mileage trucks is rediculous. Trucks are trucks, cars are cars, most people who buy them eventually sell them. The lack of high mileage toyotas on the list clearly shows that there is a lack of high mileage toyotas that are in running condition, especially when comparing them to domestic trucks.

Im not saying that domestics are any more reliable than imports, but i AM saying that zigs statement that a toyota truck is far more reliable than any american truck is complete and utter bullshit.

no offence zig.

lol

Ok then "Mr. i swing from the nuts of toyota"

Im gonna stump you real quick with this.

"Back up your statement with valid proof that toyota trucks are more reliable than any fo the big 3"

and dont just give me some shit about them being better than the 02 ram, or the 99 ranger, i want proof that toyotas trucks in general are better and more reliabe than the big 3.

because all i see are a lack of any toyotas running around with over 200k miles.

to me it looks like 95% of them blew the fuck up.

lol

EVEN IF the big 3 produce more trucks, if toyota was so goddamn reliable then we should STILL see more and more toyota trucks, because they should all outlast the fords, chevys and dodges.

but we dont see that either

;)

This is an interesting study by KBB.. Doesn't necessarily prove anything, but I thought the information was well.. Interesting.

http://mediaroom.kbb.com/kelley-blue...ation-declines

I dug around a bit, i cant find anything that shows imports trucks to be more reliable than domestic trucks... ir vica versa..

but you know me..

Nothing gets my attention faster than taking a hardball stance on a subject and making unverified or unvalidated statements and declaring them as fact.

personally i think that is whats wrong with the world today, people generally believe any summarization that sounds good to them, without bothering to see if it is true or not.

:D

Ok jack, whatever. I have proof here in my driveway. So do about 20 other people I know.

Im not going to rely on trucks that are for sale for a basis of reliability. Those trucks are for sale because the person selling them doesnt want them anymore...wonder why. Combine that with how chevy/dodge/ford make hundreds of thousands more trucks than toyota/nissan (US market) and its no wonder why you can find 20 or 2000 high mileage american trucks for sale and hardly any japanese trucks.

You are smart enough to know that if you have 10,000 of one thing and 100 of another, that more of the 10,000 group will be represented in a market, than the 100 group.

Why is your beater a Honda? Cause you know that it doesnt matter if it has a billion miles on it...it will still work. cant say the same thing about a chevy cavalier, or dodge neon, or ford escort.

New jap trucks are failing faster and faster... well shit...they are made in america. go figure. (it pains me to say that, but its true)

I am glad this thread exists. It kept me occupied for 10 minutes while I was bored. haha

soooo...... you are basically saying you cant backup what you said.

there is nothing wrong about liking toyota, i dont have any issues with imports myself

but i dont undertsand the practice of making wild claims of import vs domestic and bashing domestics when you cant provide a shred of proof other than "i like toyota"

;)

:t:

EDIT: Ya know what? when you change the filter to go off price or anything other than high mileage, all of the sudden there are plenty of those toyotas for sale.

so i guess the new ones are junk, the old ones dont get sold? lol

Damn dude 6'5' how do u fit in the mustang then? I'm 6'1' and mine doesn't fit me to well. I also drive a 99 ranger that I fit in more comfortably than most everything I have drove. Sucks to c u sell ur car, its one of my favorite cars on here. Hope u sell it quick b4 u change ur mind.

What part of KY u from? I live on the border of OH and WV in Ashland.

The old ones dont get sold all too often.

The old ones are more reliable than the new ones it seems.

I included Nissan. "I like toyotas" has nothing to do with any of this.

Claiming that Japanese vehicles are more reliable than american vehicles is hardly a "wild" claim.

I dont need to back up what I am saying... whats more reliable? Japanese or American? Seriously?

The answer is obvious. No back up needed.

American car makers are getting better these days it seems...hope they keep it up.

My stang was dead nuts reliable...but it likely wouldnt be with 200k on the odo like my toyota.

well without anything to back up your claim it is just a misguided opion.

lol.

sorry man, im at work, and im just real real bored.

lol

My dad's recently retired 1981 Mustang ran fine with 267k miles on it. It was a 6 cylinder.

FWIW.

whats your paypal? steve's mustang is slow as shit... I R WANT MACHS!

Lol, my stang's 5-speed was going out with 121k. I vote your dad's was a fluke

FUCK YOU NICK!

EDIT: yer no fun nick

LOL

"Nitto extreme tires with great traction" LOL

lol... its a very sensible car

You know you want it.

I REALLY want it gone by the weekend so I can pick up this light SUV I want.