auto??
#32
07-23-2005, 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by 96stangGT
were all agreed lets just say this thread is closed
#34
07-24-2005, 12:24 PM
im a fan of a manual cause i think an exhaust sounds 10 times better with one cause u can ride the rpm's high and not even need to get on it.
and blue you pretty much just went outrageous with ur gears and stall and get slicks or dr's. i would do the same thing if i could buy a car that nice to basically make a track car. in that case i would do the same thing. but for a street car i think manuals are the way to go. there just not as boring.
and blue you pretty much just went outrageous with ur gears and stall and get slicks or dr's. i would do the same thing if i could buy a car that nice to basically make a track car. in that case i would do the same thing. but for a street car i think manuals are the way to go. there just not as boring.
#35
07-24-2005, 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by 03stangblue
im a fan of a manual cause i think an exhaust sounds 10 times better with one cause u can ride the rpm's high and not even need to get on it. but for a street car i think manuals are the way to go. there just not as boring.
#36
07-24-2005, 12:53 PM
I'll race ANY 5-speed NA 96-04GT car...I have 247rwhp thru a 130,000 mile auto. Hows that for which one do I think is better.
At the track, about 50% of the people with a stick runs slicks, out of those only about 20% know how to set up there cars, so they are easy prey at the track. If you want the best ET out of the box, go with a stick. If you want consistency go with an auto.
Adam
At the track, about 50% of the people with a stick runs slicks, out of those only about 20% know how to set up there cars, so they are easy prey at the track. If you want the best ET out of the box, go with a stick. If you want consistency go with an auto.Adam
#37
07-24-2005, 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by 03stangblue
im a fan of a manual cause i think an exhaust sounds 10 times better with one cause u can ride the rpm's high and not even need to get on it.
and blue you pretty much just went outrageous with ur gears and stall and get slicks or dr's. i would do the same thing if i could buy a car that nice to basically make a track car. in that case i would do the same thing. but for a street car i think manuals are the way to go. there just not as boring.
and blue you pretty much just went outrageous with ur gears and stall and get slicks or dr's. i would do the same thing if i could buy a car that nice to basically make a track car. in that case i would do the same thing. but for a street car i think manuals are the way to go. there just not as boring.
#38
07-24-2005, 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by 03stangblue
im a fan of a manual cause i think an exhaust sounds 10 times better with one cause u can ride the rpm's high and not even need to get on it.
and blue you pretty much just went outrageous with ur gears and stall and get slicks or dr's. i would do the same thing if i could buy a car that nice to basically make a track car. in that case i would do the same thing. but for a street car i think manuals are the way to go. there just not as boring.
and blue you pretty much just went outrageous with ur gears and stall and get slicks or dr's. i would do the same thing if i could buy a car that nice to basically make a track car. in that case i would do the same thing. but for a street car i think manuals are the way to go. there just not as boring.
Adam
#39
07-24-2005, 01:41 PM
ok what people here fail to see is if there was 2 total stock cars 1 manual 1 auto ...likely the manual would beat the auto in a race....if i lived in the city like NY, yeah i would get auto but for racing id deff go manual......how can u not agree????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????
#40
07-24-2005, 02:00 PM
The auto vs. stick debate will never be over until the end of the world.
I say this "you can drive an auto Manustang, just so long as you know how to drive a stick". If there is some guy on this board who bought an auto just because he could not drive a stick, then you better learn fast or else we will torture you.
Auto, stick...who gives a dam. There are advantages of either. There are very fast cars that are autos and and some that are sticks. It all depends how your car is setup and which you prefer.
For consistent, fast launches it is tough to beat an auto with a converter and the right suspension mods.
I say this "you can drive an auto Manustang, just so long as you know how to drive a stick". If there is some guy on this board who bought an auto just because he could not drive a stick, then you better learn fast or else we will torture you.
Auto, stick...who gives a dam. There are advantages of either. There are very fast cars that are autos and and some that are sticks. It all depends how your car is setup and which you prefer.
For consistent, fast launches it is tough to beat an auto with a converter and the right suspension mods.
#41
07-24-2005, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 96stangGT
ok what people here fail to see is if there was 2 total stock cars 1 manual 1 auto ...likely the manual would beat the auto in a race....if i lived in the city like NY, yeah i would get auto but for racing id deff go manual......how can u not agree????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????
See dude, you are looking at the Mustang Auto tranny the same you would look at a honda auto tranny. If you are talking about a sedan or another non-performance sports car then yeah, THOSE auto's are way slower.
The Mustang GT's automatic transmission is pretty bitching, and you really gotta know what the hell yer doing and be able to do it consistantly to be able to consistanly beat the Auto.
So, what YOU fail to see is that if you had 2 stock Mustang GTs, one auto and one manual, me in the auto and you in the manual, i'd run yer *** consistantly. One you start getting really good you might beat me once in a while. Ive driven stick for the past 12 years, this is the first auto ive owned, and i doubt i would be able to beat the auto more than 50% of the time TOPS, and i am a pretty damn good driver. Once you get to the point when yer racing all the time and really know HOW to do it yeah you would probably whip me everytime.
Tell ya what though, on these boards you have a lot of people who claim they know how to drive and they have never even been to the track, and going to the track 5-10 times doesent make you a racer. Ill bet at least 7 out of 10 people on the message boards who claims they know what thier doing doesent know an exhaust tip from thier ***.
it takes years and years to get everything down right. No offence, but yer not that old, i'd have a very very very hard time believing you'd beat me even once out of 10 races in a manual vs my auto, stock fer stock.
You dont give the GT auto transmission enough credit, and give yourself way too much.
So far the ONLY thing i would agree with you one, is that manuals are definatly more fun and give you better control. The Auto xmission is a damn good xmission and it doesent F**k up, while people do.
Dont confuse fun with performance.
#42
07-24-2005, 03:35 PM
i havent heard of any real low 14 second 1/4 miles for stock autos. when i hear them about manuals all the time for the 99-04 gt.
#43
07-24-2005, 03:42 PM
I have owned alot of cars since I am as old as dirt. All my muscle cars were manauls before this one. It's faster than my built 66 4 speed Mustang ever was and faster than my 76 400 4 speed Trans am, by alot. I really don't see any difference performance wise between the two type of transmissions other than it takes more skill and effort to drive a manual. I did not start this thread by insulting all automatic owners I have simply replied to the mis-information that has been spewed out. I would love to have a second new edge 2v GT with a manual, just not for my daily driver. Of course I would build the rear end and short block, add high lift cams and 4.56 gears and run 11's then drive it on the street to scare all you weinnies who think adding a shifter and some loud mufflers makes a fast ride.
#44
07-24-2005, 03:49 PM
i think a manual is good for someone who buys a car stock and isnt lookin to get into the 12's. but if your lookin to get into the 12's nothin will beat the consistancy of an auto.
#45
07-24-2005, 04:19 PM
the fastest stock automatic GT time I have ever heard of was 14.0. Mine would not come close to that when it was still stock. I would bet it would have gone no better than a mid 14. The best manual p.i. GT time I have ever seen was a 13.7 something. With a real good driver a manual will beat an automatic simply from the launch. As I have stated in this thread in reality 99 percent of the manual GT's I have seen at the track ran 14.5 - 15.5's due to the skill or lack of by the driver. Racing a manual on street tires is not an easy task and I admire the racers who run low 14's and high 13's stone stock.
#46
07-24-2005, 06:14 PM
ok lets get back to the frickin point shall we..move all driver experience aside and everything else stock manuals are faster!!!!!!!!!!! with a perfect launch..a launch that looks like jennifer anistons body ! and a perfect launch that looks like shikera's badunka dunk shaking ...the manual will and always will come out faster giving you dont blow the engine... ok settled !!!!!!! if anyone with there auto stang wants to challenge me i will barrow my friends ferrari enzo ( manual ) and whip ur car <---figure of speech giving a 02 gt wanted to challenge me a stock 96 gt and say its fair !!! settled!!!!!!!!! :sign17:
#47
07-24-2005, 06:38 PM
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you really cant move driver experience aside. that is the key point to beating an auto. I have a buddy who is a phenominal driver, his ol man is a cop and being a cop's son he gets all kinds of fun perks, they let him go through thier training classes for highscpeed chases and stuff like that.
This guy can freakin drive.
Him in a manual vs my auto, yeah, he would run me every stinking time. However, any of my other buddys wouldnt have a chance of beating my auto.
Hell, when i first got my stang he wanted to give it a test drive, and i let him. Holy crap, we hit this area that winds through a golf course, 35mph speed limit with lots of turns, i can hit it about 60 and still feel like my stang will stick to the road.
This bastard, ok, ran that whole way going about 85mph, He hit those curves so fast that i was afraid to sneeze and cause that one final ounce of weight distribution that would send us smashing into the median and destroy my car before it even had 100miles on it. <rofl>
This dude can pull a hell of a launch, but what he does better than anyone ive met is corner. He can take a car to the edge and beyond where it is going to stick to the road and not lose control. Im not saying he is the best driver out there, but the best ive met.
yeah. he can run any auto with a manual if it is stock fer stock or similar mods.
you just cant assume you can do better than the auto xmission, yeah there are plenty of people who can, but a whole lot more who claim they can and cant.
Take yer stang and find somone with an auto with a similar year/setup, beat him twice in 5 trys, you will see it aint exactly easy.
So dont go trashing auto's if you dont know what yer talking about. It is a performance auto transmission, not some crap *** auto setup from a freakin minivan
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This guy can freakin drive.
Him in a manual vs my auto, yeah, he would run me every stinking time. However, any of my other buddys wouldnt have a chance of beating my auto.
Hell, when i first got my stang he wanted to give it a test drive, and i let him. Holy crap, we hit this area that winds through a golf course, 35mph speed limit with lots of turns, i can hit it about 60 and still feel like my stang will stick to the road.
This bastard, ok, ran that whole way going about 85mph, He hit those curves so fast that i was afraid to sneeze and cause that one final ounce of weight distribution that would send us smashing into the median and destroy my car before it even had 100miles on it. <rofl>
This dude can pull a hell of a launch, but what he does better than anyone ive met is corner. He can take a car to the edge and beyond where it is going to stick to the road and not lose control. Im not saying he is the best driver out there, but the best ive met.
yeah. he can run any auto with a manual if it is stock fer stock or similar mods.
you just cant assume you can do better than the auto xmission, yeah there are plenty of people who can, but a whole lot more who claim they can and cant.
Take yer stang and find somone with an auto with a similar year/setup, beat him twice in 5 trys, you will see it aint exactly easy.
So dont go trashing auto's if you dont know what yer talking about. It is a performance auto transmission, not some crap *** auto setup from a freakin minivan
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#49
07-24-2005, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 96stangGT
ok manual is faster if u think auto is well then :bs:
If you get a chance, re-read my last post, and you will realize how stupid your last comment was
Here, lemme translate that to something you might understand.
Sry, i gess i shuda maed answur short. all dem bigazz wurds prolly twisted yer dome yo.
If u geta few secs plz, again-red lst post plz, an u realize u sho wack fo shizzle yo.
#51
07-24-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 96stangGT
lets take a break.... 
ok im arguing with someone.do jet packs really exist..he doesnt think so . iv seen it on mail call ...help me
ok im arguing with someone.do jet packs really exist..he doesnt think so . iv seen it on mail call ...help meheh, i saw a commercial for Mythbusters, they were trying to figure out if it is possible to do a full loop on a swingset, so they put thier crashtest dummp on the swing with what looked like a jetpack, his *** was flying all over the place. damn near fell outta my chair when i saw it
#53
07-24-2005, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ColoradoStang
and whoever said JOhn Force prefers an auto your'e a f'ing idiot.....first off the pro's "autos" have manual valvebodies, controlled and monitored by CPUs and they have all of like 3-5 seconds to shift going 200 mph, so it's impossible to shift like a manual trans
So he has an auto right? I mean, I can manually shift my auto, it's controlled and monitored by my EEC, and it shifts in less than a tenth of a second, so I guess I have a "pro" transmission.
Let's break this down in Barney-speak, so you can understand. If it doesn't have a third pedal that you have to push to shift, it's an auto. Guess what, F1 cars are autos too.
Not only do you sound like a complete *** for changing what I said (I never said he "prefers" an auto, I said point blank that its better, and that John Force is a perfect example of that), you re-iterated my point that an auto is better for drag racing than a manual.
The object of drag racing is to get from point "A" to point "B" is the shortest amount of time. That's why they invented things like delay boxes, trans-brakes, racing slicks, and wheelie bars, so that you know, every time, that you are going to do just that, and not have to worry about missing that pesky 1-2 shift while your front wheels are still off of the ground.
Shut yer mouth and go climb a mountain, new guy. :****:
#55
07-24-2005, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SpringsStang
doesnt matter what tranny you have..colors determine how fast a car goes...and yellow by far is the fastest
Rally stripes give you 250 extra rwhp, this has been proven through dyno testing. <grin>ill bet that fuel door gave you an extra 10hp though!
#58
07-25-2005, 09:41 AM
This whole thread is a mess, lol. The original poster states that he has a problem with a Mustang with an automatic tranny. That's his opinion plain and simple. As far as performance goes he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a neewb and does not have much practicle knoweldge of drag racing. He refuses to listen to those who have experience with both manual and automatics. If you want to think my car sucks because it's an automatic that's fine just note one thing, my puss automatic runs 12.8's at 106 with only 251 rwhp. I race with many GT owners around the country and I have yet to see a manual with 251 rwhp go 12.8's. And to the rest of you performance haters who think my car is a track only set up you don't know jack squat either. I have only 3 power mod's on my car. A damn plenum and throttle body worth 8 hp, a set of Steeda pullies a whopping 5-7 hp and full exhaust with headers. Not exactly a radical machine. The reason my car can run these times is the automatic tranny and computer which controls it. Please refrain from trying to debate this topic until you have actually raced at the track several hundred times and are not a complete clueless moron. As far as racing a Ferrari goes it would be fun. My best guess is I'd kill him off the line and he would run me down on the top end since he has double the power. Just like racing a 03 Cobra or Viper, you get the brief feeling of superiority then they blow by you like your going 20 mph. Of course I could spray a 100 shot and then he would have to explain why his 350K car got beat by a 23k AUTOMATIC.
#59
07-25-2005, 11:26 AM
yes. yes . yes. this guy who says i wil be faster with a manual, would know? he has never been in triple digit trap speeds, so how would he know anything. have a nice life being a un-successful loser, when your middle aged and lack the money and knowledge to own a powerful car. it takes true ***** to critique a particular muscle car when your car is slower than a honda civic si bone stock. pusssy.