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zag189 11-04-2008 02:38 PM

Turbo/Suercharger question.
 
I have a 2002 3.8L v6. Auto trans, CAI, and 65mm throttle body. I am looking to add some power to this set up and want to do so with a turbo/supercharger. If anyone has some info that can help me out on choosing the right one for my car and any other things I should do to increase the power I would greatly appreciate it.

Lazerred6 11-04-2008 02:41 PM

Procharger makes a good kit

I think vortec does too

zag189 11-04-2008 02:48 PM

so then would you recommend a supercharger or a turbo/twin turbo system?

Lazerred6 11-04-2008 03:29 PM

I don't know enough about them to tell you I think it's mainly a matter of you preference

audikillsbmw 11-04-2008 04:58 PM

Hey zag.. You should try searching YouTube for videos of V6 Mustangs with forced induction setups. Seeing the various systems in action may help you make a decision.

engineman312 11-04-2008 04:58 PM

twin turbo can get expensive. if you are intrested check out http://www.tmaturbo.com/ but if i were you i'd just get a blower.

King 11-04-2008 05:00 PM

Zag, resize your sig. Seriously dude, it's like a regular sig on viagra.

audikillsbmw 11-04-2008 05:20 PM

The overall price for a forced induction setup really depends on how far you plan to take it. I'm considering doing a twin-turbo setup in the Vic that I'm going to buy. Since I will be doing a low boost setup with stock internals, the projected cost is around $1600. That price does not include "hidden" costs, including welding charges for the new exhaust, as well as tuning costs/dyno runs. Of course, I will be doing most of the work myself. Someone who is taking their vehicle to a performance shop/buying a pre-built kit will pay more.

stangcharger 11-05-2008 10:09 AM

A procharger type system will be easiest to install if you havent much experience with doing it and has less over cost opposed to a turbo.

however the gains of the turbo will be much more at a lower boost than a supercharger. The real question is how far do you want to go.

300-350rwhp can be gotten easily with a supercharger. but can be even more easily gotten with a turbo and the turbo leaves alot of room to grow. more so than a supercharger.

so it is purely your want in your build.

zag189 11-05-2008 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by stangcharger (Post 362282)
A procharger type system will be easiest to install if you havent much experience with doing it and has less over cost opposed to a turbo.

however the gains of the turbo will be much more at a lower boost than a supercharger. The real question is how far do you want to go.

300-350rwhp can be gotten easily with a supercharger. but can be even more easily gotten with a turbo and the turbo leaves alot of room to grow. more so than a supercharger.

so it is purely your want in your build.

so how much work on my block would have to come with getting to that 300-350rwhp out of a supercharger?

3.8for the win 11-05-2008 10:38 AM

i think the block holds 400hp im not sure tho.

zag189 11-05-2008 10:49 AM

so if I run a procharger at 11psi my block and internals will be fine as is?

audikillsbmw 11-05-2008 12:08 PM

Personally, I would not feel comfortable doing 11psi on stock internals. I think you'd be asking for trouble with that setup.

zag189 11-05-2008 02:16 PM

so then what would you suggest? more around 8 or 9?

spike_africa 11-05-2008 02:25 PM

You can run the 11psi procharger kit no problem with a good tune, lots of people do on the 3.8L motor. You need to figure out what you want to do with the car then you can pick turbo or supercharger. you can add either on with stock internals and run on low boost levels and still make nice power in the 300+ rang with either one. A turbo setup is gonna cost more hands down unless you make a kit yourself and do most of the work yourself then it would be cheaper to go turbo for sure. Otherwise a nice ATI procharger kit is the way to go and they can be had used as well.

There is also nitrous to :devil2:

stangcharger 11-05-2008 02:29 PM

350rwhp is the safe limit on stock internals....

11psi procharger will get you near 300rwhp. it is perfectly safe with a compitent tuner.

youll need the 11psi kit from procharger, and 42lb injectors.

audikillsbmw 11-05-2008 03:06 PM

I was just stating that based on what I've seen, which is more than one 4.6 blowing before reaching 10psi. Of course, the 3.8 is a completely different engine.

zag189 11-05-2008 07:36 PM

so 11 psi is ok with a good tune. thanks for all the help guys.

stangcharger 11-06-2008 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by audikillsbmw (Post 362374)
I was just stating that based on what I've seen, which is more than one 4.6 blowing before reaching 10psi. Of course, the 3.8 is a completely different engine.

2v 4.6L gets iffy when you get near 400rwhp. the new 4.6L gets iffy when you get like 420-430+rwhp. some go more with a good tune and have no problems, but others blow motors.

stangcharger 11-06-2008 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by zag189 (Post 362438)
so 11 psi is ok with a good tune. thanks for all the help guys.

correct

audikillsbmw 11-06-2008 10:32 AM

Yup. The most recent one that I've seen blew its engine @ 389rwhp. He was running 9.5psi.

Grady Rogers 11-08-2008 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by stangcharger (Post 362362)
350rwhp is the safe limit on stock internals....

11psi procharger will get you near 300rwhp. it is perfectly safe with a compitent tuner.

youll need the 11psi kit from procharger, and 42lb injectors.

350rwhp with stock intern's. And you are refering "only" to his stock v6 right ?

stangcharger 11-10-2008 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Grady Rogers (Post 362934)
350rwhp with stock intern's. And you are refering "only" to his stock v6 right ?

yes.

i stated other stock limits or close to in other post.

99-04 v6 mustangs 350rwhp and the new 05+ v6's can go alittle farther than 350rwhp and be safe.

Grady Rogers 11-19-2008 07:02 PM

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ok, i'm gonna play it REAL safe with my eaton s/c @ 5psi.

spike_africa 11-19-2008 07:30 PM

The 3v motors are good for around 450rwhp with a good tune. 5psi is a waste of money, and so is using an Eaton blower off a cobra or lightning which I assume is what your plan is.

95stangEATER 11-20-2008 06:28 PM

Just go with a nice big bottle of NOS and you will be set. It will only cost you around 2-$300. I have that in my 95 civic and it is just awesome. Good luck buddy.

Lazerred6 11-21-2008 10:27 AM

To bad it's a civic

dOcV6 11-21-2008 07:51 PM

do the pro-charger kits come with everything you need?

stangcharger 11-21-2008 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by dOcV6 (Post 365980)
do the pro-charger kits come with everything you need?

my kit came with everything but injectors.

khojaq 03-28-2009 03:47 PM

T3/T4 TWIN TURBO KIT
 
Hey Stang Bros/Sis! :cool: It's my first time and I'm glad to be here hoping to learn a lot from you guys.:) I have a 00 MUSTANG V6 COUPE that I am going to modify and would like some input on what else might be needed.
Here's what I intend to do;
*T3/T4 Twin Turbo Kit
*Injectors :confused:
*MAF :confused:
*Throttle body:confused:
*Under drive pulleys (aluminum)
*Focus/Cobra SVT fuel pump
*410 gears
*Diablosport Tuner (of course)
Well, there it is. Looking forward in hearing from you guys.:)

khojaq 03-28-2009 04:16 PM

Oh! I forgot about the Flowmaster Exhaust System.

spike_africa 03-28-2009 04:43 PM

I would make my own thread and you will get more answers.

Deathdiesel 03-28-2009 05:57 PM

Im not so sure youll need a MAF but then again idk anything about S/C or Turbos

engineman312 03-28-2009 09:07 PM

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stangcharger 03-30-2009 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by khojaq (Post 394698)
Hey Stang Bros/Sis! :cool: It's my first time and I'm glad to be here hoping to learn a lot from you guys.:) I have a 00 MUSTANG V6 COUPE that I am going to modify and would like some input on what else might be needed.
Here's what I intend to do;
*T3/T4 Twin Turbo Kit
*Injectors :confused:
*MAF :confused:
*Throttle body:confused:
*Under drive pulleys (aluminum)
*Focus/Cobra SVT fuel pump
*410 gears
*Diablosport Tuner (of course)
Well, there it is. Looking forward in hearing from you guys.:)

first off keep stock gearing with turbo kit or 3.55's, but not 4.10's way to much gear.

second a TB is a waste of money.

MAF and injectors will be needed. 42lb injecotrs are fine till 400rwhp.

go with SCT, diablo sucks.

khojaq 03-31-2009 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by stangcharger (Post 395234)
first off keep stock gearing with turbo kit or 3.55's, but not 4.10's way to much gear.

second a TB is a waste of money.

MAF and injectors will be needed. 42lb injecotrs are fine till 400rwhp.

go with SCT, diablo sucks.

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What kinda MAF and why the SCT/

khojaq 03-31-2009 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by stangcharger (Post 395234)
first off keep stock gearing with turbo kit or 3.55's, but not 4.10's way to much gear.

second a TB is a waste of money.

MAF and injectors will be needed. 42lb injecotrs are fine till 400rwhp.

go with SCT, diablo sucks.

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What size MAF and why SCT, what's the difference?

khojaq 03-31-2009 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Deathdiesel (Post 394715)
Im not so sure youll need a MAF but then again idk anything about S/C or Turbos

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Thanks anyways

stangcharger 03-31-2009 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by khojaq (Post 395456)
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What size MAF and why SCT, what's the difference?

i have an 80mm lightning and like it, or your could go with a MAF extender on the stock MAf depending how high in hp you go.

Diablo's customer support is crap. I used to have one. Not to mention all of the best tuners out there use SCT mainly. they might tune with diablo if you have it, but most prefer SCT because if there is an issue they know it can get solved.

Spoolinup 06-02-2009 09:19 PM

I'm a turbo junkie by nature...started using them and have never looked back...however, I fabricate my own kits, from researching for unit, piecing fuel system together, bending/welding/designing hot and cold sides, etc....if you are not extremely dedicated to research and fabrication, I'd say just go with a supercharger kit...cheaper as a pre-fab kit and will get the power you want...I believe the turbo kit(homemade) would be a much better deal if you can swing it, but it can get a lot more complicated. The turbo, properly sized, should create quite a bit more torque "under the curve", which is what ultimately we all crave as muscle car enthusiasts.


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