PI swap/vortech

97stanger · 10-18-2006, 05:33 PM

i have a 1997 auto gt, with basically every bolt on you can do...my next mods are going to be as follows

Mongoose Kit SQ trim

Full PI swap

Custom grind blower cams

just curious as to how much power you guys think ill be making?

PureStang · 10-18-2006, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 97stanger

i have a 1997 auto gt, with basically every bolt on you can do...my next mods are going to be as follows

Mongoose Kit SQ trim

Full PI swap

Custom grind blower cams

just curious as to how much power you guys think ill be making?

dont worry about doing the PI swap...if anything thats the last thing you wanna do cause it raises the compression....you want a lower compression for boosted applications...just get NPI cams and port you existing heads or get some VT stg 2 or miles per hour Race heads

97stanger · 10-18-2006, 05:48 PM

after weeks of talking to people about this concern, I've come to the decision that this was the way to go, I'm only going to be running 8 lbs of boost, so the compression won't be much of a concern, plus im going to get steen to dyno tune my car so i completely trust them...

PureStang · 10-18-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 97stanger

after weeks of talking to people about this concern, I've come to the decision that this was the way to go, I'm only going to be running 8 lbs of boost, so the compression won't be much of a concern, plus im going to get steen to dyno tune my car so i completely trust them...

ok..then with the given mods you should be around 350-380 hp..im planning on a used KB 1.7L and puting a built bottom end in mine w/ low compression pistons if i can so i can boost the S*** outta my car..hhaha..but teh bottom end wont come anytime soon

good luck

also..where are u from? im assuming near steen racing...if ur more north (like around PA area) id recomend going to Lund racing...i know a guy that doesnt go to anyone but him....he got tuned for the street @ 750+hp

97stanger · 10-18-2006, 07:14 PM

i actually live in nj, near atco raceway, where steen is always at...wow thats a lot of hp for a stang!!

PureStang · 10-18-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 97stanger

i actually live in nj, near atco raceway, where steen is always at...wow thats a lot of hp for a stang!!

there are alot of high power stangs in this area...and since u live right next to PA just go to jon lund in PA...i dunno exactly where he is located...but the one thing i do know is that he near me in chester county cause his number is 610 as is mine

lundracing.com

and check out SVTP's "a taste of home" forum...then go to Midatlantic Cobra Association....that all of the Mid atlantic states in 1 forum.haha..look at their sigs and most have tuned by jon lund/lund racing

97stanger · 10-18-2006, 09:09 PM

okay ill definately check it out!

jeredan2003 · 10-18-2006, 09:17 PM

Why do you need a PI swap?? Just run more boost. Youll make around 400whp since thats what your stock bottom end is limited to....

97stanger · 10-19-2006, 07:18 AM

you can't run more than around 10 lbs on your stock block...and 10 lbs on my non pi stuff won't yield much more than 300whp

DropTopPony · 10-19-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 97stanger

i actually live in nj, near atco raceway, where steen is always at...wow thats a lot of hp for a stang!!

your gonna drive all the way down to Steen for a tune? I like them and they will be building my Teksid block but there are a few good tuners in our area. How about Radical Racing in Atco? Craig is very good...or JD's just outside Philly who are good. Then you have Kauffmans in Dilsburg PA who i think are at the top of the list with the best tuners for modulars anywhere. Totally worth the 2 hours drive.

Oh what wheels are they on your car? They look similar to a set i used to have.

97stanger · 10-19-2006, 05:02 PM

well i was thinking of going to JDM, im going to get some prices and see whats the best...by the way, they are 18x9 chrome saleens

ex-ricer98gt · 10-19-2006, 05:11 PM

talk to todd at kaspers korner right in blackwood he'll hook it up he know's his shit

*03gtmustang* · 10-19-2006, 05:15 PM

I recommend Dave @ Kauffmans or Matt Hill @ www.matthillmotorsports.com

stanger00 · 10-20-2006, 01:06 AM

dave is a cool dude tuned a couple of guys cars from dover delaware.

DropTopPony · 10-20-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 97stanger

well i was thinking of going to JDM, im going to get some prices and see whats the best...by the way, they are 18x9 chrome saleens

Those are Saleen wheels in the sig pic?

DropTopPony · 10-20-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ex-ricer98gt

talk to todd at kaspers korner right in blackwood he'll hook it up he know's his shit

Kaspers has a dyno in their new shop?

97stanger · 10-20-2006, 09:14 AM

oh sorry, no they're zenettis...my saleens are my summer rims

r3dn3ck · 10-20-2006, 09:25 AM

if I might pop in for just a second. You want to run 8psi on a 10:1 compression motor with hypereutectic pistons. If you're really sure you want to do that (don't get me wrong, I know this to be a really powerful combo but let me finish) then you really should build the bottom end. Sorry to be a negative nancy but I've seen it before enough times and it's just a matter of time before the bottom end gives out and you're stuck with a rebuild (just bolts and gaskets are $300+, assembly is 1000-2500). Or you can find a 99+ short block and just bolt it up so to speak.

You've got PI heads and intake, find yourself a 4.6 block on craigslist for cheap and spend the 300 bucks to machine it then buy a forged rotating kit and have it all put together. It's gunna be kinda expensive and it'll take a while but when you're done you can be happy knowing your motor will hold together when you're smoking a chebbie.

Mug11 · 10-20-2006, 09:37 AM

costing me about $2k to build my shortblock right now. so if yours blows dude, you can have my stock one.

But blower cams FTW. See pm... lol

r3dn3ck · 10-20-2006, 09:48 AM

2K... lucky! I've got that and then some in the 5.4 I'm building now and there's still another 3K to go.

10-18-2006, 05:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	PI swap/vortech i have a 1997 auto gt, with basically every bolt on you can do...my next mods are going to be as follows Mongoose Kit SQ trim Full PI swap Custom grind blower cams just curious as to how much power you guys think ill be making? __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

10-18-2006, 05:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	after weeks of talking to people about this concern, I've come to the decision that this was the way to go, I'm only going to be running 8 lbs of boost, so the compression won't be much of a concern, plus im going to get steen to dyno tune my car so i completely trust them... __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

10-18-2006, 07:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	i actually live in nj, near atco raceway, where steen is always at...wow thats a lot of hp for a stang!! __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

10-18-2006, 09:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	okay ill definately check it out! __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

10-18-2006, 09:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
jeredan2003 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 1,788	Why do you need a PI swap?? Just run more boost. Youll make around 400whp since thats what your stock bottom end is limited to.... __________________ 2003 DSG GT 5-speed Hellion 62mm and Flowmaster catback..... My bonestock 2v engine had been through 2 years of NX 100 shot, 3 years running 8-12lbs vortech s-trim, got into boost daily while racing on the weekends, had 157,000 miles on it, and was running like new

10-19-2006, 07:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	you can't run more than around 10 lbs on your stock block...and 10 lbs on my non pi stuff won't yield much more than 300whp __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

10-19-2006, 05:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	well i was thinking of going to JDM, im going to get some prices and see whats the best...by the way, they are 18x9 chrome saleens __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

10-19-2006, 05:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
ex-ricer98gt Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 194	talk to todd at kaspers korner right in blackwood he'll hook it up he know's his shit __________________ mods now: flownmaster 40's, mac long tubes, mac prochamber, Motive 4.10's, diablosport tune, k&n fipk waiting to be installed: pi intake and cams

10-19-2006, 05:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,245	I recommend Dave @ Kauffmans or Matt Hill @ www.matthillmotorsports.com __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

10-20-2006, 09:14 AM	#17 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	oh sorry, no they're zenettis...my saleens are my summer rims __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

10-20-2006, 09:25 AM	#18 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 7,014	if I might pop in for just a second. You want to run 8psi on a 10:1 compression motor with hypereutectic pistons. If you're really sure you want to do that (don't get me wrong, I know this to be a really powerful combo but let me finish) then you really should build the bottom end. Sorry to be a negative nancy but I've seen it before enough times and it's just a matter of time before the bottom end gives out and you're stuck with a rebuild (just bolts and gaskets are $300+, assembly is 1000-2500). Or you can find a 99+ short block and just bolt it up so to speak. You've got PI heads and intake, find yourself a 4.6 block on craigslist for cheap and spend the 300 bucks to machine it then buy a forged rotating kit and have it all put together. It's gunna be kinda expensive and it'll take a while but when you're done you can be happy knowing your motor will hold together when you're smoking a chebbie.

10-20-2006, 09:37 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mug11 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lubbock/Houston, TX Posts: 909	costing me about $2k to build my shortblock right now. so if yours blows dude, you can have my stock one. But blower cams FTW. See pm... lol __________________

10-20-2006, 09:48 AM	#20 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 7,014	2K... lucky! I've got that and then some in the 5.4 I'm building now and there's still another 3K to go.

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