Venom 1000 vs Zex Nitrous

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 08:04 AM

i'm seriously considering a dry nitrous system but dont know which one would be best for me. i want one thats easy to use and more on the fool proof side. it seems the venom and zex systems are more of the fool proof kind of nitrous sytems but i wanted to hear from people that had either one of these systems. so lets hear which system you all like better.

cuban3jumper · 09-27-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by phil_the_thrill

i'm seriously considering a dry nitrous system but dont know which one would be best for me. i want one thats easy to use and more on the fool proof side. it seems the venom and zex systems are more of the fool proof kind of nitrous sytems but i wanted to hear from people that had either one of these systems. so lets hear which system you all like better.

Can I ask why you want a dry kit? Wet kits are easier to tune and a bit safer, well in my opinion atleast. Although I would go with zex over venom anyday.

If it matters at all I went with NX.

*03gtmustang* · 09-27-2006, 10:17 AM

Id go with a wet kit and NX.

yeayea0 · 09-27-2006, 11:34 AM

+1 NX wet FTW

StormsGT · 09-27-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cuban3jumper

Can I ask why you want a dry kit? Wet kits are easier to tune and a bit safer, well in my opinion atleast. Although I would go with zex over venom anyday.

If it matters at all I went with NX.

I thought dry was safer. You don't have to worry about pooling in the intake.

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 12:13 PM

yeah i want something on the safer side. i just want a modest kit with maybe a 75 shot or 100 shot max. something that i wont have to get a tune for

spike_africa · 09-27-2006, 12:15 PM

you really wont have a problem with a 75shot wet as long as its sprayed above 3k rpms. If you really have to have dry i would do the ZEX kit.

*03gtmustang* · 09-27-2006, 12:23 PM

Wet is safer, do some research.

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 12:24 PM

i've always heard dry was safer but i havent done that much research. isnt wet harder to install?

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 12:30 PM

so i definantly would have to get a tune with a wet system?

jeredan2003 · 09-27-2006, 12:46 PM

stay away from either zex or venom. Go with a nice wet kit. Much safer and no you dont need a tune to run it. You need one even moreso with a dry kit.

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 12:50 PM

i thought zex and venom were supposed to be good because they kept you from leaning out? im not looking for a badass nitrous kit to run at the track i just want a lil 75 shot from time to time to take car of those ugly ass camaros

*03gtmustang* · 09-27-2006, 01:06 PM

If you dont get a tune with the 75 shot, then you arent doing it safe in my mind. Too rich is bad just like too lean is. PLEASE at least put it on the dyno and look at the a/f.

Ive said it 100 times and Ill say it again...
NX kit with Gen X2
Focus pump
NGK TR6 Plugs gapped at .030
Window Switch
TUNE

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 01:50 PM

but i thought the zex and the venom systems monitored your air to fuel ratio so you wouldnt lean out?

spike_africa · 09-27-2006, 02:39 PM

Venom does so it is techinly safer. ZEX just has a built in Fuel pressure saftey switch so when the fuel psi goes down it shuts off the nitrous. Seriusly though a wet kit is easy to install no other fuel upgrades needed with a 75 shot.

*03gtmustang* · 09-27-2006, 06:19 PM

Yep, nothing is needed fuel wise with the 75 shot. Maybe a focus pump to help the lean spike, but not 100% needed. Just get it on the dyno and check out that a/f.

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 06:20 PM

yeah see thats what i was trying to avoid, having to get retuned. Tune = Money

not tune but dyno time

*03gtmustang* · 09-27-2006, 06:24 PM

A dry kit will require more tuning then a wet kit though. Any power adder will cost money, theres no such thing as a cheap one. You do it cheap, then you pay later because something breaks.

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 06:27 PM

i understand that no power adder is cheap but as i have read the venom 1000 does not require a tune what so ever. as far as i know the zex dry kit does not require a tune either i was just curious if anyone had either of these kits on their car and how they performed. i agree with you 100% that if you dont do it right the first time your ****ed but what about these dry kits that do not call for a tune?

*03gtmustang* · 09-27-2006, 07:28 PM

With the dry kit you have to upgrade injectors and it sprays before or after the MAF. Then you have to rely on the computer to adjust the a/f for that. Im not sure how the Zex or Venom dry kits work that they dont require a tune. But you cant upgrade injectors without a tune so.

phil_the_thrill · 09-27-2006, 07:31 PM

from what i read on here about the venom 1000 it said that it constantly monitored a/f and if it got too lean it shut down

Blk02stang · 09-27-2006, 08:24 PM

I've had both Zex and Venom kit's on previous cars along with NX and NOS and now Compucar. The Venom kit is junk plain and simple. Your paying for their name more than your paying for quality. Many friends have tried the Venom kit before and got rid of it a few days later to a month later...so what does that tell you? As for ZEX, I've had that kit on 2 of my cars and it worked out alright. Using a Dry shot from ZEX or any other company will not give you the full effect that a Wet kit will. If you do a 75 dry shot with a ZEX kit....your gonna see MAYBE a 35hp gain!!!! If you go buy a good NX or NOS or even Compucar wet kit and do a 75shot....you will get at least 60 or more hp out of it. I've seen several cars gain over 100hp on a NX wet kit. With ZEX dry kit, you hook up 3 wires....TPS, power-to switch, and a ground. Pretty simple and splice in 2 vacum lines for it to work safely with a fuel pressure vacum. Honestly it would take you maybe an hour to hook up being your first time. The Venom kit has a lot of different relays and crap.

Going with a Wet kit has a bit more work involved but like others have stated it works a heck of alot better than dry. Yea Dry is harder to tune unless you have a S-AFC controller which allows you to fine tune your Fuel maps in 200rpm sections. With a Wet kit we usually go 1 size larger pill on the fuel side just to be safe than what is called for unless the car has been dynoed before and we know how the A/F is. Altho if you dont wanna get it on the dyno, go buy a Wideband A/F guage and be safe all the time and monitor your A/F without being on the dyno at all. In my opinion, throw a NX wet kit with a 75 shot and have fun with it. Stay away from ZEX and Venom stuff unless you want to waste your money and time and not get the full effect!

*03gtmustang* · 09-27-2006, 08:41 PM

Thats a good point I forgot to menotion. Youll gain more with a wet kit compared to dry. Youll also gain more with a NX wet kit compared to a NOS wet kit because NX rates their jets are the rear wheels compared to NOS where they rate theirs at the flywheel.

Blk02stang · 09-27-2006, 08:47 PM

Yea i forgot to mention that 03gtmustang, bout how NX rates there stuff better than anyone else and garuntees the most power gains. We did a 75 wet shot from NX on a B20-vtec civic and gained over 100hp at the wheels!!!!!

I guess once you've had nitrous on every car you've owned and had all the top named kits, you know which ones are the better and whats not so good. My 1st car when i was 15 was a civic i was building so when i got my license i had a nasty car.....Had nitrous on it while i had a learners permit lol. I'm 23 now and i've owned more Nitrous kits than one could imagine lol.

Also a couple friends and myself put a 80-dry shot on a Wal-mart Homelite brand weed eater.....took it like a champ and still cuts grass! Did a 125 NX wet kit on a Briggs & Stratton riding mower.....still cuts the backyard and does wheelies a year later and this was done several times in an attempt to blow it up which seemed to never happen yet.

09-27-2006, 08:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	Venom 1000 vs Zex Nitrous i'm seriously considering a dry nitrous system but dont know which one would be best for me. i want one thats easy to use and more on the fool proof side. it seems the venom and zex systems are more of the fool proof kind of nitrous sytems but i wanted to hear from people that had either one of these systems. so lets hear which system you all like better. __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f*** out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 10:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,241	Id go with a wet kit and NX. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

09-27-2006, 11:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
yeayea0 01 Cobra Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Arlington Hts., IL Posts: 77	+1 NX wet FTW __________________ 01 True Blue Cobra -Slp catback -BBK fl headers and h-pipe -K&N CAI -SCT 2 tuner -Procharger P1-SC at 8# -Aviator pump -4.10 gears

09-27-2006, 12:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	yeah i want something on the safer side. i just want a modest kit with maybe a 75 shot or 100 shot max. something that i wont have to get a tune for __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f*** out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 12:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,213	you really wont have a problem with a 75shot wet as long as its sprayed above 3k rpms. If you really have to have dry i would do the ZEX kit. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

09-27-2006, 12:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,241	Wet is safer, do some research. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

09-27-2006, 12:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	i've always heard dry was safer but i havent done that much research. isnt wet harder to install? __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f*** out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 12:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	so i definantly would have to get a tune with a wet system? __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f*** out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 12:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
jeredan2003 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 1,788	stay away from either zex or venom. Go with a nice wet kit. Much safer and no you dont need a tune to run it. You need one even moreso with a dry kit. __________________ 2003 DSG GT 5-speed Hellion 62mm and Flowmaster catback..... My bonestock 2v engine had been through 2 years of NX 100 shot, 3 years running 8-12lbs vortech s-trim, got into boost daily while racing on the weekends, had 157,000 miles on it, and was running like new

09-27-2006, 12:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	i thought zex and venom were supposed to be good because they kept you from leaning out? im not looking for a badass nitrous kit to run at the track i just want a lil 75 shot from time to time to take car of those ugly ass camaros __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f*** out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 01:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,241	If you dont get a tune with the 75 shot, then you arent doing it safe in my mind. Too rich is bad just like too lean is. PLEASE at least put it on the dyno and look at the a/f. Ive said it 100 times and Ill say it again... NX kit with Gen X2 Focus pump NGK TR6 Plugs gapped at .030 Window Switch TUNE __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

09-27-2006, 01:50 PM	#14 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	but i thought the zex and the venom systems monitored your air to fuel ratio so you wouldnt lean out? __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f*** out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 02:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,213	Venom does so it is techinly safer. ZEX just has a built in Fuel pressure saftey switch so when the fuel psi goes down it shuts off the nitrous. Seriusly though a wet kit is easy to install no other fuel upgrades needed with a 75 shot. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

09-27-2006, 06:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,241	Yep, nothing is needed fuel wise with the 75 shot. Maybe a focus pump to help the lean spike, but not 100% needed. Just get it on the dyno and check out that a/f. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

09-27-2006, 06:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	yeah see thats what i was trying to avoid, having to get retuned. Tune = Money not tune but dyno time __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f*** out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 06:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,241	A dry kit will require more tuning then a wet kit though. Any power adder will cost money, theres no such thing as a cheap one. You do it cheap, then you pay later because something breaks. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

09-27-2006, 06:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	i understand that no power adder is cheap but as i have read the venom 1000 does not require a tune what so ever. as far as i know the zex dry kit does not require a tune either i was just curious if anyone had either of these kits on their car and how they performed. i agree with you 100% that if you dont do it right the first time your **ed but what about these dry kits that do not call for a tune? __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f* out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 07:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,241	With the dry kit you have to upgrade injectors and it sprays before or after the MAF. Then you have to rely on the computer to adjust the a/f for that. Im not sure how the Zex or Venom dry kits work that they dont require a tune. But you cant upgrade injectors without a tune so. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

09-27-2006, 07:31 PM	#21 (permalink)
phil_the_thrill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Troy, Missouri Posts: 246	from what i read on here about the venom 1000 it said that it constantly monitored a/f and if it got too lean it shut down __________________ Now accepting donations! If you do the speed limit then get the f*** out of my way! "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." -Eleanor Roosevelt Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.

09-27-2006, 08:24 PM	#22 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	I've had both Zex and Venom kit's on previous cars along with NX and NOS and now Compucar. The Venom kit is junk plain and simple. Your paying for their name more than your paying for quality. Many friends have tried the Venom kit before and got rid of it a few days later to a month later...so what does that tell you? As for ZEX, I've had that kit on 2 of my cars and it worked out alright. Using a Dry shot from ZEX or any other company will not give you the full effect that a Wet kit will. If you do a 75 dry shot with a ZEX kit....your gonna see MAYBE a 35hp gain!!!! If you go buy a good NX or NOS or even Compucar wet kit and do a 75shot....you will get at least 60 or more hp out of it. I've seen several cars gain over 100hp on a NX wet kit. With ZEX dry kit, you hook up 3 wires....TPS, power-to switch, and a ground. Pretty simple and splice in 2 vacum lines for it to work safely with a fuel pressure vacum. Honestly it would take you maybe an hour to hook up being your first time. The Venom kit has a lot of different relays and crap. Going with a Wet kit has a bit more work involved but like others have stated it works a heck of alot better than dry. Yea Dry is harder to tune unless you have a S-AFC controller which allows you to fine tune your Fuel maps in 200rpm sections. With a Wet kit we usually go 1 size larger pill on the fuel side just to be safe than what is called for unless the car has been dynoed before and we know how the A/F is. Altho if you dont wanna get it on the dyno, go buy a Wideband A/F guage and be safe all the time and monitor your A/F without being on the dyno at all. In my opinion, throw a NX wet kit with a 75 shot and have fun with it. Stay away from ZEX and Venom stuff unless you want to waste your money and time and not get the full effect! __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II

09-27-2006, 08:41 PM	#23 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,241	Thats a good point I forgot to menotion. Youll gain more with a wet kit compared to dry. Youll also gain more with a NX wet kit compared to a NOS wet kit because NX rates their jets are the rear wheels compared to NOS where they rate theirs at the flywheel. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

09-27-2006, 08:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	Yea i forgot to mention that 03gtmustang, bout how NX rates there stuff better than anyone else and garuntees the most power gains. We did a 75 wet shot from NX on a B20-vtec civic and gained over 100hp at the wheels!!!!! I guess once you've had nitrous on every car you've owned and had all the top named kits, you know which ones are the better and whats not so good. My 1st car when i was 15 was a civic i was building so when i got my license i had a nasty car.....Had nitrous on it while i had a learners permit lol. I'm 23 now and i've owned more Nitrous kits than one could imagine lol. Also a couple friends and myself put a 80-dry shot on a Wal-mart Homelite brand weed eater.....took it like a champ and still cuts grass! Did a 125 NX wet kit on a Briggs & Stratton riding mower.....still cuts the backyard and does wheelies a year later and this was done several times in an attempt to blow it up which seemed to never happen yet. __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II