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jasons 97 cobra 02-20-2005 04:28 PM

vortech install
 
Hopefully Someone Can Help Me Out.i Finally Got My Vortech Supercharger Hooked Up On My 97 Cobra.but It Run Like Crap.i Haven't Got A Chip Yet For It.but It Says It Will Run Without It.i Am In The Process Of Getting One,but Wanted To Run It Anyhow.i Currently Have A Msd Dis-4 Ignition, 42# Injectors But Not A Matching Maf Meter,it Is Blowing Black Smoke,shuts Off At Idle,and I Also Noticed That My Bassani X-pipe Was Glowing Red Hot.will The Chip Solve These Problems Or Is It A Combination Of Things?any Help Would Be Greatly Appreciated.jason

WaterDR 02-20-2005 04:53 PM

Dude, someone is blowing smoke up your arse. Do not run that car w/o a dyno tune, or you will have no motor left. You can not run a blower w/o a custom tune especially with differen injecotrs and MAF. To be honest (and perhaps a bit harsh), I am shocked that you would know how to install a blower, but not know that you need a dyno tune.

You car is running horribly rich. The red hot mid pipe is due to unburned fuel getting into the mid-pipe and actually burning inside the mid pipe. If you have cats on the car, they are probably toast. I would hate to imagine what your plugs now look like and the inside of your cyclinders.

Do you mean to tell me that the instructions make this claim about not needing a tune/chip? If so, they should be put out of business.

jasons 97 cobra 02-20-2005 05:18 PM

All I Did Was Run It To Check It For Leaks.vortech Claims You Can Run It As Long As You Don't Exceed 4300 Rpms Without The Chip.i Am Aware Of Tuning.i Guess You Answered My Question.thanks

venom 02-20-2005 05:41 PM

Bottom end on your Cobra is the weak link so dyno tune is a must. Dont run the car until you do.

WaterDR 02-20-2005 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by jasons 97 cobra
All I Did Was Run It To Check It For Leaks.vortech Claims You Can Run It As Long As You Don't Exceed 4300 Rpms Without The Chip.i Am Aware Of Tuning.i Guess You Answered My Question.thanks

Jason, I did not mean to flame you. I was just soo shocked reading your post. If you just ran it for leaks, I guess I might have tried the same.

I must assume that you put in the larger injectors etc.. when you did the swap. If so, that is why you are running pig rich.

Do you have a tuner local to you? Hopefully you do.

You might be able to get a mail order tune from an SCT dealer who is experienced with this specific blower. If you want some advice on this, I can send you in the right direction. Might even be close enough to run the car. The tuner will be able to tell you.

jasons 97 cobra 02-20-2005 06:47 PM

Are You Saying Take It To Someone And Have It Put On A Dyno,or Is It Ok To Have A Custom Chip Burned And Install It Myself?i Know The Dyno Would Be Better But This Thing Is Getting Expensive.

venom 02-20-2005 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by jasons 97 cobra
Are You Saying Take It To Someone And Have It Put On A Dyno,or Is It Ok To Have A Custom Chip Burned And Install It Myself?i Know The Dyno Would Be Better But This Thing Is Getting Expensive.

Not as expensive as a new engine.

WaterDR 02-20-2005 07:38 PM

Jason, if I were in your shoes, I would talk to a few experienced tuners for their feedback. Consider this, you can buy a Steeda blower kit at certain authorized Ford dealers. It comes with everyting you need and a new computer (as in no dyno tune). If your setup is "standard" adn you don't have too much else done to the car, a mail order tune may be good enough.

I will send you a PM.

spike_africa 02-20-2005 09:08 PM

if you had stock injectors and a FMU then you dont need a tune. but you are not using one form what i can tell and you have 42#ers thats why it runs like ****.

WaterDR 02-20-2005 10:06 PM

Spike, you think he would be fine with just smaller injectors?

spike_africa 02-21-2005 07:35 AM

no it needs a tune and or stock injectors and a FMU.

Plus the maf ant helping things either. if it was me i wouldnt run the car at all like this.

Smaller injectors wont help out because the computer is still thinking it has 19#ers so hes screwed without the tune or FMU.

WaterDR 02-21-2005 09:47 AM

Yeah, got it. Makes sense. I don't know why I asked.

Samsstang 02-24-2005 09:48 AM

I thought Vortech kits came with a Superchips chip :icon_scra and a fuel pump all included?? you probably need a tune either way!

spike_africa 02-24-2005 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by Samsstang
I thought Vortech kits came with a Superchips chip :icon_scra and a fuel pump all included?? you probably need a tune either way!

They come with FMU, like most kits do.

FEZ 02-24-2005 04:31 PM

On your comment about being harsh, some of us have been building cars and bikes for decades and are very well versed in engine building, but are not experts on computer controls ,yet! I got on this site in hopes of learning something I don't know, and a condescending attitude never helps! I would be glad to share anything I've learned in the past 40 years with anyone without any negative comments.

WaterDR 02-24-2005 04:52 PM

Hey Fez, welcome aboard! Glad to see someone here older than me (lol).

I can't wait to read some of your posts, I am sure you will be able to help a lot of guys here. Some of us are experts in some areas, but not in others....collectively we are pretty scary.

Don't wory about any body teasing you...it will probably happen anyway...in fun.

Hey a youngin on this site once told me that "nitrous was for four bangers only". Believe that? We got guys of all ages here and everyone chips ins.

Glad you joined us.

be sure to introduce yourself anbd talk about your background here:

http://www.mustangtuningforums.com/f...splay.php?f=61

Samsstang 02-24-2005 07:57 PM

40 damn!! Iam feelin old :sad3:

JUSTGOGOGO 02-28-2005 01:13 AM


Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
Dude, someone is blowing smoke up your arse. Do not run that car w/o a dyno tune, or you will have no motor left. You can not run a blower w/o a custom tune especially with differen injecotrs and MAF. To be honest (and perhaps a bit harsh), I am shocked that you would know how to install a blower, but not know that you need a dyno tune.

You car is running horribly rich. The red hot mid pipe is due to unburned fuel getting into the mid-pipe and actually burning inside the mid pipe. If you have cats on the car, they are probably toast. I would hate to imagine what your plugs now look like and the inside of your cyclinders.

Do you mean to tell me that the instructions make this claim about not needing a tune/chip? If so, they should be put out of business.

YOU PROBABLY FIGURED IT OUT BY NOW. COULD ACTUALLY RUNNING LEAN, NOT RICH. IVE SEEN CATS GLOW FROM BEING LEAN ALOT MORE OFTEN THAN FROM RICH, ALTHOUGH IT DOES HAPPEN. HOPE YOUR PROBLEM WAS SOLVED.
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