Can a Muslim be a good American?????? - Page 2

pony power1 · 07-20-2007, 12:27 PM

no im saying muslims r thay r the killers you just don't hear of other religions killing ppl for there religions thats the point im trying to make

07-20-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pony power1

no im saying muslims r thay r the killers you just don't hear of other religions killing ppl for there religions thats the point im trying to make

christian crusades......

slaem witch trials....

the spanish inquisition.....

im sure i could think of another dozen examples of catholics and christians killing in the name of god if i wasnt in a hurry

lol

r3dn3ck · 07-20-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheddarbob

Islam actually has the bible as one of there history books.
so are you saying Christians are mass murderers??

yeah they think jeebus was a prophet rather than God incarnate though. They consider the christian doctrine of trinity (not to mention the whole son-o God thing) to be something like heresy.

And yeah... christians are historically mass murdering f\/ckheads if you read the history books. So are: jews, hindus, bhuddists, shinto's, and people from new jersey. See... religion is bad. No doubt about it. Don't worry though... I hear there's a special place in hell for religious people. I understand it's supposed to be quite nice. Satan is said to have popped for a Ferrari cake.

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Originally Posted by pony power1

no im saying muslims r thay r the killers you just don't hear of other religions killing ppl for there religions thats the point im trying to make

Uh... read much news of the past say... 1000 years? Wikipedia yourself up some history before you pop off with dumb stuff like that. Try the zealots, the assiens, ROME, the army of f\/cking DAVID KING OF THE JEWS wiping out the residents of Canan, crusades (there were several of these blood lettings), the whole damned history of Egypt, Salem witch trials, the reason the Mormons moved to BFE fuggin Utah, need I go on. It's endemic to religion that people will take it too far. People become morons when they believe BS stories that seem to require tithing to get more of.

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Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper

christian crusades......

slaem witch trials....

the spanish inquisition.....

im sure i could think of another dozen examples of catholics and christians killing in the name of god if i wasnt in a hurry

lol

woot... preach it brutha!

07-20-2007, 01:37 PM

lol... Yeah, Any religion can be a great thing for moral guidance, and all relgiions have had thier share of mass murders and genocides in the name of thier gods.

all religions have hit both ends of the spectrum. To sit there and say islam is the most violent religion is absolutly ludacris. do some reading of the history of the other major religions and you will see there is not much difference. The only REAL difference is back when the christians were mass murdering people they diddnt have explosives, so they just had to hack and slash thier way through the women and children rather than blow themselves up.

PColav6 · 07-20-2007, 02:39 PM

I'm Catholic, I'll kill all you ****ers in the name of the Pope.

BRING IT!

00blkstanggt · 07-20-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PColav6

I'm Catholic, I'll kill all you ****ers in the name of the Pope.

BRING IT!

We don't need to worry about Catholics killing us. We just need to worry they are going to rape our little kids in the butt.Thats their real threat.hahaha

PColav6 · 07-20-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 00blkstanggt

We don't need to worry about Catholics killing us. We just need to worry they are going to rape our little kids in the butt.Thats their real threat.hahaha

Your Californian little boys can do that all on their own

Cheddarbob · 07-20-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PColav6

Your Californian little boys can do that all on their own

you keep forgetting were straight here

Cheddarbob · 07-20-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

And yeah... christians are historically mass murdering f\/ckheads if you read the history books. So are: jews, hindus, bhuddists, shinto's, and people from new jersey. See... religion is bad. No doubt about it. Don't worry though... I hear there's a special place in hell for religious people. I understand it's supposed to be quite nice. Satan is said to have popped for a Ferrari cake.

If you dont believe in religion or a god how can you believe in a "hell"

WaterDR · 07-20-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zigzagg321

I work next to a guy from Dubai...he is muslim. He's a cool dude. peaceful, helpful, courteous etc.

The same was said about some of the guys who flew planes into the World Trade Center.

WaterDR · 07-20-2007, 10:07 PM

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07-20-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WaterDR

The same was said about some of the guys who flew planes into the World Trade Center.

Oh well, this guy is no terrorist.

Babii C · 07-24-2007, 02:31 AM

LOL @ the thread. In Australia, we're a very multicultural society, so I go to school with a large portion of girls who are from a Buddhist, Muslim or Atheist tradition. In my area, when walking down the street you will find many people to be of a muslim or middle eastern background, so hence, many of my friends are from the same background. Quick Run down.
Karima - one of my kindest MUSLIM friends, she wears the hijab, and fasts etc, so she is a "practicing" Muslim. Shes a beautiful, intelligent and friendly human being. Coming from the middle eastern area, most people think otherwise until they speak to her.
Manel - also another intelligent Muslim friend of mine who believes in being kind to others, she is muslim and from the middle east as well.
Miriam - a CHRISTIAN lebanese australian girl. She would seriously not hurt a fly, and will even let herself be leaned on during a rock concert (me on the other hand, wanted to punch the douche bag behind her for leaning on her).
(and sooo many other friends of mine are muslim as well, these are just a few).
My point being that i dont think its the religion that defines the person. These girls, being from the same ethnic background but having different religions (Muslim, and Christian like me) are just a few of the most beautiful (inner beauty and outer beauty) people I've met who have forever changed my life. If Muslims can be good Australians, I don't see why they can't be good Americans too.

oh and also, its only the fanatics that ruin the reputation of muslims. The KKK used Christianity as an excuse for white supremacy, they too were extremists. Just don't think that EXTREME muslims are the only people in the world who commit crimes against humanity. (oh and lets not forget, wasn't there some kinda Irish gang who did the same thing as the KKK?)

my teenage .02

Oh wait i forgot something. If we go by history, there is conflict with almost EVERY religion, I dont see how islam is any different. Jews, Muslims and Christians all have the Old Testament of the Bible as part of their scriptures, so theres gotta be something in common right.

07-24-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WaterDR

The same was said about some of the guys who flew planes into the World Trade Center.

ALl of jeffery Dahmers neighbors thought he was a swell guy too. That doesnet mean all yer decent neighbors are gonna start chopping people up and eating them

Cheddarbob · 07-24-2007, 12:54 PM

This is a never ending argument. Its going to go on and on there is alwasy going to be a rebutle answer and it will never end.

07-24-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheddarbob

This is a never ending argument. Its going to go on and on there is alwasy going to be a rebutle answer and it will never end.

yup...so I say FVCK RELIGION! get a life, not a guide.

07-24-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheddarbob

This is a never ending argument. Its going to go on and on there is alwasy going to be a rebutle answer and it will never end.

yeah it is like trying to argue with the KKK that black people are not destined for a life of crime.

this is the most ignorant and rediculous arguement i have ever heared and everyone who thinks all muslims are killers is an embarassment to themselves, thier family, and thier nation.

v6'stang · 07-26-2007, 05:14 PM

all muslims are not terrorists, but all the terrorists (9/11) are muslims. i'm not sayin' that ALL of them are bad or terrorists, but they do seem like a radical group of ppl. personally, no i don't trust them. i don't trust many ppl that aren't blood. and even some of them i don't trust. as for obama, **** him. i do not like that guy, i can't put my finger on it exactly but i don't like him (if ur wondering where that came from, first post, last sentence)

Steeda97 · 08-24-2007, 06:46 PM

Not to bring up a month-old thread but, we seem to forget the whole "melting pot" thing. Everyone has ancestors that are from different places around the world. Chances are, one of your ancestors practiced Islam. To say that all Muslims are terrorists, is quite frankly, retarded. To blame an entire religion for 9/11 is crazy. It reminds me of someone, who decided to go about killing 6 million people. Honestly, if it were up to some of the ignorant people in this country, we'd see another genocide. Whether you believe in God, or Allah, or whoever, we were all created at the same time, and live together on the only known planet to have life. To fight one another, just shows how stupid we can be. Increase the peace.

Cheddarbob · 08-24-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeda97

Chances are, one of your ancestors practiced Islam.

or not

Steeda97 · 08-25-2007, 08:27 AM

Well considering it stretches back to the 7th century, and its the 2nd largest religion in the world, im gunna have to go with yes, chances are one of your ancestors practiced islam.

HokieStang00 · 08-25-2007, 09:33 AM

The Muslims that act upon hate and terrorist attacks are just a radical sample of an EXTREMELY large religion base. I'm sure numerous KKK and Nazi members had a Catholic/Christian background, so if you can safely assume all muslims are terrorists, then all Catholics/Christians must be hell-bent on destroying all races but their own. Unfortunately the acts of a few have mis-represented an entire religion. I have no idea what is in the Qur'an because I honestly don't care. But I do know for a fact that it was written far before America even existed. So I don't agree with it saying that "All americans should die", which explains the millions of very religious Muslims who manage to live in peace in America.

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07-24-2007, 02:31 AM	#43 (permalink)
Babii C Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 120	LOL @ the thread. In Australia, we're a very multicultural society, so I go to school with a large portion of girls who are from a Buddhist, Muslim or Atheist tradition. In my area, when walking down the street you will find many people to be of a muslim or middle eastern background, so hence, many of my friends are from the same background. Quick Run down. Karima - one of my kindest MUSLIM friends, she wears the hijab, and fasts etc, so she is a "practicing" Muslim. Shes a beautiful, intelligent and friendly human being. Coming from the middle eastern area, most people think otherwise until they speak to her. Manel - also another intelligent Muslim friend of mine who believes in being kind to others, she is muslim and from the middle east as well. Miriam - a CHRISTIAN lebanese australian girl. She would seriously not hurt a fly, and will even let herself be leaned on during a rock concert (me on the other hand, wanted to punch the douche bag behind her for leaning on her). (and sooo many other friends of mine are muslim as well, these are just a few). My point being that i dont think its the religion that defines the person. These girls, being from the same ethnic background but having different religions (Muslim, and Christian like me) are just a few of the most beautiful (inner beauty and outer beauty) people I've met who have forever changed my life. If Muslims can be good Australians, I don't see why they can't be good Americans too. oh and also, its only the fanatics that ruin the reputation of muslims. The KKK used Christianity as an excuse for white supremacy, they too were extremists. Just don't think that EXTREME muslims are the only people in the world who commit crimes against humanity. (oh and lets not forget, wasn't there some kinda Irish gang who did the same thing as the KKK?) my teenage .02 Oh wait i forgot something. If we go by history, there is conflict with almost EVERY religion, I dont see how islam is any different. Jews, Muslims and Christians all have the Old Testament of the Bible as part of their scriptures, so theres gotta be something in common right. __________________ Babii C C'est La Vie. We only get one shot. Shoot to kill, Make it matter. Make a difference.

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v6'stang Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: FL Posts: 917	all muslims are not terrorists, but all the terrorists (9/11) are muslims. i'm not sayin' that ALL of them are bad or terrorists, but they do seem like a radical group of ppl. personally, no i don't trust them. i don't trust many ppl that aren't blood. and even some of them i don't trust. as for obama, **** him. i do not like that guy, i can't put my finger on it exactly but i don't like him (if ur wondering where that came from, first post, last sentence) __________________ Mods: 17x9 black cobra wheels, BBK CAI, tru dual flowmasters, sct 4bank elim. chip, motive 3.73's, frpp t-lok. ...and the list grows.

07-20-2007, 12:27 PM	#31 (permalink)
pony power1 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 96	no im saying muslims r thay r the killers you just don't hear of other religions killing ppl for there religions thats the point im trying to make

07-20-2007, 01:37 PM	#34 (permalink)
Jack The Ripper Posts: n/a	lol... Yeah, Any religion can be a great thing for moral guidance, and all relgiions have had thier share of mass murders and genocides in the name of thier gods. all religions have hit both ends of the spectrum. To sit there and say islam is the most violent religion is absolutly ludacris. do some reading of the history of the other major religions and you will see there is not much difference. The only REAL difference is back when the christians were mass murdering people they diddnt have explosives, so they just had to hack and slash thier way through the women and children rather than blow themselves up.

08-25-2007, 09:33 AM	#52 (permalink)
HokieStang00 Blackity Black Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 497	The Muslims that act upon hate and terrorist attacks are just a radical sample of an EXTREMELY large religion base. I'm sure numerous KKK and Nazi members had a Catholic/Christian background, so if you can safely assume all muslims are terrorists, then all Catholics/Christians must be hell-bent on destroying all races but their own. Unfortunately the acts of a few have mis-represented an entire religion. I have no idea what is in the Qur'an because I honestly don't care. But I do know for a fact that it was written far before America even existed. So I don't agree with it saying that "All americans should die", which explains the millions of very religious Muslims who manage to live in peace in America.

11-27-2007, 07:35 PM	#53 (permalink)
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