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Old 05-19-2006, 10:03 PM   #31 (permalink)
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It's still off topic because you keep bringing it back up. I ended this a couple posts up. End.
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Old 05-19-2006, 10:08 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I'll do this one logically then and back it up! :shifty:

There are too many places to start with him lying!
First off the war was to get Bin Laden and then to get his ties (ie Sadam, even though he had no ties).

Next the war was about weapons of mass destruction. There were none, all of America looked stupid.

Then came Iraqi Freedom, which we are suppose to believe was the original intent of the war! Never mind all of the other atrocities happening around the world! You can preach all day that Sadam was a piece of sh** but there are people right now in Rwanda and Darfur that are in the process of committing genocide and we could give a damn!

Then Mission Accompished...nothing is accomplished!

I'm cool with supporting the troops. I come from 4 gen NAVY on my father's side and 2 gen NAVY on my mother's side. I have friends in the reserves, the NAVY and the ARMY but I won't fight for oil. My choice and their choice. I would rather swap my motor out and switch to ethanol fuel if it were available on a regular basis, then have to be held hostage to these oil companies.

By the way, the government tapping our phones IS illegal despite what the president says. If Clinton had done the same thing Republicans would have had a sh**house! He just got a little PooNan (which if you don't, I am sorry...feels GREAT) and he got impeached. It seems like everything this administration does is not challenged in the least!

I'm not going to fight with you on abortion, but I am going to guess you are probably pro-death penalty and if you are, that is murder too... If not then cool, you are entitled to your opinion. I just find it funny you support war and yet don't support abortion. Would it be okay if an Iraqi had an abortion? Or if someone was raped? Common, the world is screwed up as it is. If someone isn't prepared to have a child then they shouldn't subject that child to a miserable life. Adoption leaves kids in over crowded foster homes and that is no good either (nothing against foster homes, just a tough way to come up. Much respect for those that have). We barely have enough resources to teach kids who are planned, let alone those that are not.

And as far as tax cuts go...if you are in the 1% of people that truely benefit from the crazy tax cuts then I understand that it is hard work to keep those millions of hard earned stock dollars away from the government. But if you are stuck like most of us are in the middle and the tax breaks give us only enough to buy gas for the month (at best) then forget it! And besides...all this money you are saving right now...guess what, the next president that gets this sh***ty deficit is going to have to raise taxes just so we have enough money to UNDERFUND things like the war and the Katrina disaster.

Just my $0.39!

Alright, back on topic!

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Old 05-19-2006, 10:12 PM   #33 (permalink)
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BTW, the best part about this entire thing is that it is cool what ever political party and religion you are. Jews, Christians and Muslims (and anyone else) can rock a mean GT or 6 and repulicans and democrats can BOTH be conservative with a 400+ hp Cobra!

Cheers to that sh**!
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Old 05-19-2006, 10:37 PM   #34 (permalink)
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hmmm...

well... my view on "murder"

Abortion... killing an unborn baby... before it has a chance a life is murder and is wrong...

war is necasary, so i don't consider it murder... if it wasn't for war then this great nation would not be!

The death penalty... i aslo believe is murder... BUT... there is more emotion in that... the person on death row did something terrible and whether right or wrong deserves it...

Now saying bush is a liar... is a bit of a stretch IMPO... Its as to be hard for anyone to know for sure whether or not their really were weapons of mass destruction...

but also!

Iraq is a place where many terroists are located... so... there is also that that plays a role in the war...

I have to be honest... I havn't been following the war closely... so I personally can't argue anything that you said...

I am glad you reasoned your arguement though
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Old 05-19-2006, 10:38 PM   #35 (permalink)
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BTW, the best part about this entire thing is that it is cool what ever political party and religion you are. Jews, Christians and Muslims (and anyone else) can rock a mean GT or 6 and repulicans and democrats can BOTH be conservative with a 400+ hp Cobra!

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Old 05-19-2006, 10:40 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Couldn't have said it better! :clap:
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Old 05-19-2006, 10:41 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Couldn't have said it better! :clap:
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Old 05-19-2006, 11:04 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Ok first off, **** approval ratings. The way the general public views the president makes no mark on how good he is.

secondly, did ANY other presidents have to reside when 9/11 happened?? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO!. It's the single most awful act of terror the usa has ever seen, and some of you whiny people think any other president would've done better? Tell me what you'd do if kerry was voted in '04, pulled troops out of iraq, and then iraq(or neighboring countries) pulled an all-out war. It's sure as hell suck, right? Then everyone would be like "oh kerry sucks,i never voted for him, i wish bush was here."

America is safe[r than it would be with kerry]. Kerry focus was basically pleasing middle america and liberals, not protecting our country. He was a people pleaser. Who gives a **** about tax cuts for billionaires. Don't worry about it, everyone is guaranteed taxes in their life, don't whine about where they're going. Nothin you can do about it.

And don't anyone here mention the ****ing deficit. America's economy has boomed exponentially since the early 1900's. America will never(quote me on this, never) overcome its deficit, no matter who's president. For someone who's been president since 2000, the "technology age", its NOOOOOO wonder america has such a deficit. Population is booming, it's inevitable. If gore made it in 2000 and kerry made it in 2004, the us deficit would still be horrible.


As for my religion, everyone knows what I am, but lemme put it this way...
For me, there's hope for me after I die(according to my religion)
For those who dont believe in anything, there's no hope for anything when you die.

I'd sure as heck rather believe in something and hope for the best than believe in nothing and not have any hope. You only live 70-80 years max on here. You sure better hope a) there's an afterlife and b) you're gonna be there.


And for those of you who think you'll make it to heaven when you die bc you've been a "good person", remember who defined "good person". If you expect to go to God's house when you die, you better have played by His rules.

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Old 05-20-2006, 04:52 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Wow, just wow. I typically don't reply to political threads on car forums, but I'll stick to basics on this one. I'm a registered Republican but beliefs are Centrist for the most part. I don't believe in making people completely dependent on government, State nor Federal. Religion....I was raised Southern Baptist so I'm agnostic as an adult of course. I do believe that there's an omnipotent, onmipowerful entity that created the universe. I just don't know if that entity goes by the name of God or Kali or what.

About the war, I'm glad we finally did it, shoulda been done a long time ago.
Deficit.....yep, we're always going to have one as long as people keep demanding more from the federal government.
tax cuts.......I've gotten several tax breaks over the past couple years and I'm definitely no billionaire
abortion. I don't like it, but it has a place in society.
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Old 05-20-2006, 04:54 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Just to clearup some things:

1 - I am a Republican and I believe in tough love. I belive that we need to reduce the role of government in our lives. HOWEVER, I also believe that a good percentage of the population can not survive on their own...even if they have money...they are simply helpless.

2 - I believe that being pro-life means that you are against abortion (I prefer to call it "pro adoption") and must then also be against the death penalty except in the most extreme circumstances. Killing is bad PERIOD.

3 - You can still hate the president but MUST respect the office if you call yourself a patriot. Being patriotic means having a love for the flag...ie the country and not a particular person.

4 - I am a Roman Catholic, BUT see many problems with the church. The Catholic church is the oldest religion in the world and was started directly by Christ himself when he appointed Peter. As such, the Catholic church deserves respect by all christians. However, when the church hides child molesters...well, I am still ticked about that.

5 - I believe that if you are in a position of authority (CEO, police, teacher...) and use your influence to break a law, you deserve additional punnishment.

6 - I believe that we need to shut down our borders ASAP and get control. Things have gotten out of hand.

7 - I believe that children deserve the right to be protected by ALL adults.

That is all- LOL
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Old 05-20-2006, 12:24 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 05-21-2006, 01:00 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Listen to the news. It backs everything up I've said. Except for Fox. Bush doesn't flat out lie? Weapons of Mass....
Yeah but every other intelligence agency in the ****ing word said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction... and at least Bush took the brunt of it and apologized over national TV for it not being correct. It was a statement he made to the nation, like what, three-four months ago?

Like Clinton was any better dude.

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Old 05-21-2006, 01:01 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Party = No affiliation. I think Dems and Reps both need to try to put more effort to work together, instead of against eachother. I believe the government should provide free health care, i believe in a national sales tax which would eliminate a lot of loopholes rich people use to dodge taxes, plus people would be taxed on thier lifestyle, not income. I think bush is a miserable bastard for promoting oursourcing to india. India's starving children are thier problem, lets not make our children starve in order to help them. I think it is time for america to worry about itself for a while. Lets take care of problem within our borders instead of focusing so much effort beyond out borders. Even though im stoked to be working on landscaping my yard, i still have to come into the house and clean once in a while. The house of america is getting pretty grimey.

Religion = Agnostic. I dont believe in that whole stereotypical white robes and white beard thing. But straight up evolution doesent make sence because it never gives a reason why existance happened in the first place.. I've heared of a belief called "intelligent design", Havent looked too much into it, but that seems to make the most sence at the core of the idea. If they have any kooky beliefs about zapping aliens out of thier heads, i havent heared them so please forgive me. i think there has to be a higher being, but i dont think it is what anyone really expects.
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Republican, but more then that, conservative.

I support almost everything that the republicans exept i am not christan, i have actually been called anti-chritian.

i am pro-abortain, and i dont give a crap about gays, who cares if they can marry, to me marriage is just a stamp that says you can file taxes together

I support bush, and i am all for lower taxes, lets keep our own money kthx
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Old 05-21-2006, 01:48 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Republican, but more then that, conservative.

I support almost everything that the republicans exept i am not christan, i have actually been called anti-chritian.

i am pro-abortain, and i dont give a crap about gays, who cares if they can marry, to me marriage is just a stamp that says you can file taxes together

I support bush, and i am all for lower taxes, lets keep our own money kthx
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I love it when ignorant liberals paste Reagan for spending money. Hey dumb idiots, presidents don't spend money, congress does! For 40 years the dems ran Congress and all during that time they spent, spent, spent. Now that we have that civics lesson straight, remember Jimmy Carter? Worst inflation in the history of the country.

Whether Bush is a good president or not will not be known for another 20 - 40 years. Oh, and by the way, while I hate to say this, there is not been another terrorist attack in the US since 911. I wonder why?

Also, it is truth that Bill Clinton had more wire taps then Bush did. You just did not hear about it.
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I love it when ignorant liberals paste Reagan for spending money. Hey dumb idiots, presidents don't spend money, congress does! For 40 years the dems ran Congress and all during that time they spent, spent, spent. Now that we have that civics lesson straight, remember Jimmy Carter? Worst inflation in the history of the country.

Whether Bush is a good president or not will not be known for another 20 - 40 years. Oh, and by the way, while I hate to say this, there is not been another terrorist attack in the US since 911. I wonder why?

Also, it is truth that Bill Clinton had more wire taps then Bush did. You just did not hear about it.

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Old 05-21-2006, 06:28 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Sorry if I got a bit robust in my reply. People are entittled to their own opinions, just be sure you understand how things work.

Life is a complex thing. Politics is no different. We live in the greatest country in the world where people can formulate their own opinions.

If you don't like it here, then try to change it or move.
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Yea in a church, of course gays should be able to be married under any christian god, but the thought of marriage in the US takes on two meanings, there is the "holy matrimony" and the, well now we file tax's together and share names.

As far as the USA goes, a LEGAL marraige (non christian etc) can be done with some little paperwork and a notery.

So the law shouldnt care who gets married to who, gay or otherwise, however a church can care, and should.

But honestly, why do the christians care if gays file taxes together? for god sakes live and let live.

Dont let them do it in churches if you want, but christainity does not and should not have any bearing beyond that.
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Hey, let the gays file taxes together that way they will pay more. Ever heard of the marriage penalty? You pay more if you are married and both working then if you are not married in many circumstances.
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