Kansas - Most over-rated team of all time?

[04DarkShadowGT]

Its extremely likely that the #8 Jay Hawks could be the most over-rated team in the history of college football.

They didnt play 3 of the 4 best teams in the Big 12 (Texas, Oklahoma, and Texas Tech) and lost to the only other good team (Missouri).

They only played 2 teams in their conference schedule that have a winning record, and the only win was over Texas A&M (7-5).

Their non-conference schedule consisted of 4 teams none of which play in a BCS conference and only 1 of those had a winning record, Central Michigan (8-5).


Hey jay hawks if you want respect, you shouldnt schedule shit non-conference, you should have beaten Missouri, and then at least attempted to keep it competitive with Oklahoma.

But you are going to a BCS bowl game, you are going to get your teeth kicked in by whoever you play and we will all laugh at how much of a fraud you were all year long.

[WaterDR]

I could care less about KU one way or ther other, so, from an outsider perspective, I don't think they are over-rated. The comments you make, you could say the same about most of the other teams. Fact is that there is a lot of parity in college football right now. If I had to rank them, I would probably put them somwhere between 8 and 11.

[04DarkShadowGT]

Originally Posted by WaterDR

I could care less about KU one way or ther other, so, from an outsider perspective, I don't think they are over-rated. The comments you make, you could say the same about most of the other teams. Fact is that there is a lot of parity in college football right now. If I had to rank them, I would probably put them somwhere between 8 and 11.

Name 1 other team that didnt have to play 3 or the 4 best teams in their conference and then lost to the only good one they played. Even Hawaii beat the only ranked team they had to play.

[WaterDR]

Don't go down that road, it will lead nowhere. The BCS system ranks schedules and takes that into consideration.

If I use your logic, then ND should be ranked in the top ten. Eventhough then lost 8 games, there schedule was ranked 4th toughest by the BCS. See what I mean?

[04DarkShadowGT]

Originally Posted by WaterDR

Don't go down that road, it will lead nowhere. The BCS system ranks schedules and takes that into consideration.

If I use your logic, then ND should be ranked in the top ten. Eventhough then lost 8 games, there schedule was ranked 4th toughest by the BCS. See what I mean?

I never said schedule is the only thing to consider, the fact that ND sucks balls and lost 8 games takes them out of anything. But when you are ranking teams with similar records it should play a factor.

The facts remain Kansas is ranked 8 on smoke and mirrors and its impossible to deny that with any type of logic.

[WaterDR]

They do take that in......schedule difficulty is part of the ranking system.

Now, I hear what you are saying, but what if KU beats their opponent in their bowl game by 35 points. The what are you going to say? Wait till the season is all over, then bitch.

[04DarkShadowGT]

Originally Posted by WaterDR

They do take that in......schedule difficulty is part of the ranking system.

Now, I hear what you are saying, but what if KU beats their opponent in their bowl game by 35 points. The what are you going to say? Wait till the season is all over, then bitch.

I will say I was wrong, but I think its an absolute joke that Kansas made it in over Missouri when Missouri beat Kansas and Illinois who both made a BCS game. Missouri is also ranked ahead of Kansas in all three polls.

[Lances03SVT]

Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT

I will say I was wrong, but I think its an absolute joke that Kansas made it in over Missouri when Missouri beat Kansas and Illinois who both made a BCS game. Missouri is also ranked ahead of Kansas in all three polls.

Missouri got shafted like they alway's do.5th down plays for Nebraska and all the other things that has gone against them over the years.How does 2 teams that they beat and one with the 109th easiest schedule out of 119 teams make a BCS Bowl when thier only loss is to a OU team that would spanke OSU.

[jjtgiants]

I personally think Kansas is a one hit wonder. Lets have this discussion again next year or the year after and we'll see where they are.....if I'm wrong I say congratulations to Kansas.

"Noob" good teams like Kansas and Mizzou will get hosed because they don't have any respect from the media, coaches or fans across the country. If they continue to be good the respect will be earned and things will turn around. I hear these same type of arguments from Cal fans when they are doing good. "We don't get any respect".... "we get screwed by the polls" blah blah blah....win something and do it consistantly and that won't happen.

[Mixedbreed02GT]

Kansas is not overrated, and it's not the players fault or the coaches fault...you can blame it on the Athletic Director.

secondly, how can you say we're overrated when we came back against a then #3, and eventually #1 MU team. KU was penalized because MU lost to OU...and that's BS.

MU lost to OU TWICE in the same season, they should have dropped down to #8 or #9.

KU only lost 1 game. they are 11-1 whether anyone likes it or not.

MU did not get screwed either, they made their own bed, ran their mouths just because they beat KU, but when the smoke cleared, KU still came out on top of that deal because they had fewer losses than MU. I think we're still laughing all the way to the bank. But would we trade MU places?...yeah we would, because we'd be 12-1 and still woulda had a better chance at the NC Title game, and we'd still be getting a BCS Bowl, and MU would still be going to the Cotton Bowl.

MU had destiny in their hands and they let it slip away, because they couldn't run with the big dogs...MU has no one to blame but themselves.

KU did too, but by God, the voters really didn't want to vote for a small time school. Gotta have a big game...even if it means not having the 2 best teams in America playing.

[HokieStang00]

I don't know how you can sit there and mock MU, because they lost to a very good Oklahoma team. Not to mention, they just beat KU the week before. MU can't run with the big dogs? What has Kansas done to show they can? Kansas is extremely lucky to be in a BCS bowl, and has absolutely nothing to lose in this game. VT on the other hand, has nothing to gain. We either bury you, and get no credit for exposing a basketball school with a soft schedule, or we lose, and it's considered a choke job. I'm still very dissapointed in the Orange to pass up on WVU and UGA.

[Mixedbreed02GT]

Originally Posted by HokieStang00

I don't know how you can sit there and mock MU, because they lost to a very good Oklahoma team. Not to mention, they just beat KU the week before. MU can't run with the big dogs? What has Kansas done to show they can? Kansas is extremely lucky to be in a BCS bowl, and has absolutely nothing to lose in this game. VT on the other hand, has nothing to gain. We either bury you, and get no credit for exposing a basketball school with a soft schedule, or we lose, and it's considered a choke job. I'm still very dissapointed in the Orange to pass up on WVU and UGA.

we have something to lose...if we lose this game, we will lose all and any respect we had gained this year. I see KU as an up and coming program, we can't afford to lose this game.

but i think it will be a pretty good game myself...should be a close one, despite what some people think...i think this will be a defensive battle.

possibly a 20-17 or 17-14 game that could go either way depending on who shows up.

[jjtgiants]

[quote=HokieStang00;295002]I Kansas is extremely lucky to be in a BCS bowl, and has absolutely nothing to lose in this game. VT on the other hand, has nothing to gain. We either bury you, and get no credit for exposing a basketball school with a soft schedule, or we lose, and it's considered a choke job. QUOTE]


I feel the same way about Illinois playing USC....SC doesn't have much to gain because if we win people will say we were supposed to and it really won't look impressive to the voters....however, I do think Mixbreed has a point about schools like Kansas and Illinois having something to lose...respect. I've said this over and over again, but respect is earned and it doesn't happen in one year so if Kansas, Illinois, and Mizzou can keep it up that's great.

Here is the dilemma for the voters when it comes to taking a 2 loss LSU team over a 1 loss Kansas team or even a 12-0 Hawaii team. If your a voter you have to ask yourself. Is a two loss LSU team who plays in the toughest conference in the country more impressive than a Kansas team who really didn't play anyone good other than Mizzou, who they lost to??? I understand it's not the players fault their schedule sucks, but you can't tell me a 1 loss Kansas team is more impressive than a 2 loss LSU team. No way.

Kansas is new at being good and trust me, you won't stop getting screwed next year either because I'm sure you still have a crappy schedule. Once the team gains a little respect you'll get better gains which equals better strength of schedule

In in no way a Kansas hater, but relax a little and give them a couple of years to develop a nice program. I think the problem with Kansas and Mizzou fans is they think this is a once in a lifetime chance to win something....that's why you guys are so impatient.

[04DarkShadowGT]

Kansas couldnt go undefeated with a BS schedule so they dont deserve respect.

If Kansas wanted respect all they had to do was beat Missouri, you didnt. Hell that game wasnt even as close as the 8 points would lead you to believe. Missouri dominated that game for 3 quarters and then let you back in late.



As far as Illinois, I agree they are not a BCS team. However the Rose Bowl went for Tradition. But who would you rather have seen in the Rose Bowl. Georgia since SEC was in the Sugar, Oklahoma was in the Fiesta, Va Tech was in the Orange.

Couldnt be another SEC team, couldnt be another Big 12 team, there are no other good Big East teams.

So basically it was either tradition with Illinois or Pac 10 vs Pac 10 with the Rose bowl picking Arizona State.

There is no question Florida or Missouri deserved it more than Ill but really imo there is not much difference between ILL and ASU.

[Mixedbreed02GT]

im not even a MU fan, but they royally got screwed as well.

OU is the best team in the country, and they've been playing like it.

OU vs. OSU, and KU and MU both should have gotten BCS Bowls.

[jjtgiants]

Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT

Kansas couldnt go undefeated with a BS schedule so they dont deserve respect.

If Kansas wanted respect all they had to do was beat Missouri, you didnt. Hell that game wasnt even as close as the 8 points would lead you to believe. Missouri dominated that game for 3 quarters and then let you back in late.



As far as Illinois, I agree they are not a BCS team. However the Rose Bowl went for Tradition. But who would you rather have seen in the Rose Bowl. Georgia since SEC was in the Sugar, Oklahoma was in the Fiesta, Va Tech was in the Orange.

Couldnt be another SEC team, couldnt be another Big 12 team, there are no other good Big East teams.

So basically it was either tradition with Illinois or Pac 10 vs Pac 10 with the Rose bowl picking Arizona State.

There is no question Florida or Missouri deserved it more than Ill but really imo there is not much difference between ILL and ASU.

Your totally right, I don't know who the Rose Bowl would have chose besides Illinois. I also think the BCS is trying to avoid the debate of a split NC....if USC and Georgia play, the winner of that game could possibly make a case.

I'm trying to find the video, but Pat Forde of ESPN said Kansas should play their bowl game on Comedy Centeral because they are a joke! ha ha ha. If I can find it I'll post it.

[Mixedbreed02GT]

Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT

Kansas couldnt go undefeated with a BS schedule so they dont deserve respect.

If Kansas wanted respect all they had to do was beat Missouri, you didnt. Hell that game wasnt even as close as the 8 points would lead you to believe. Missouri dominated that game for 3 quarters and then let you back in late.



As far as Illinois, I agree they are not a BCS team. However the Rose Bowl went for Tradition. But who would you rather have seen in the Rose Bowl. Georgia since SEC was in the Sugar, Oklahoma was in the Fiesta, Va Tech was in the Orange.

Couldnt be another SEC team, couldnt be another Big 12 team, there are no other good Big East teams.

So basically it was either tradition with Illinois or Pac 10 vs Pac 10 with the Rose bowl picking Arizona State.

There is no question Florida or Missouri deserved it more than Ill but really imo there is not much difference between ILL and ASU.

i think the whole Big Ten and Pac 10 get a certain Bowl Game is crap.

if they're not gonna get a playoff system going, Here's the Way it should be so you get the best games

#1 - #2 play for NC Championship
#3 - #4 play Rose Bowl
#5 - # 6 play FedEx Orange Bowl
#7 - #8 Play Fiesta Bowl
#9 - #10 play Sugar Bowl

then for all the other teams...they should do it like the POWERBALL, and just have a drawing to see who plays who.

[HokieStang00]

You guys kind of already touched base on it, but if I'm not mistaken, the Rose bowl had no choice but to take Illinois. The Big 10 champ HAS to go to the Rose Bowl. Same with the Pac 10. Since Ohio State was selected to the MNC, the Rose Bowl had no choice but to stay within the Big 10. Had USC got the MNC bid, it would have been ASU in the Rose Bowl. To keep that going, had VT been picked to the MNC, you would have seen a 3 loss BC or Clemson in the Orange Bowl. Unfortunately, I hate the tie-ins, because it creates 3 loss teams that are able to make the BCS, and it discourages different conferences playing each other.

[Mixedbreed02GT]

the whole thing is a farce, a joke, and it's all rigged.

[jjtgiants]

Originally Posted by HokieStang00

You guys kind of already touched base on it, but if I'm not mistaken, the Rose bowl had no choice but to take Illinois. The Big 10 champ HAS to go to the Rose Bowl. Same with the Pac 10. Since Ohio State was selected to the MNC, the Rose Bowl had no choice but to stay within the Big 10. Had USC got the MNC bid, it would have been ASU in the Rose Bowl. To keep that going, had VT been picked to the MNC, you would have seen a 3 loss BC or Clemson in the Orange Bowl. Unfortunately, I hate the tie-ins, because it creates 3 loss teams that are able to make the BCS, and it discourages different conferences playing each other.

I'm not sure how it all works, but I think if the Big Ten champ goes to the NC game then the Rose Bowl has the option of picking team from a different conference, however there is tradition with the pac 10 and big 10 playing each other and the old farts who makes these decisions aren't going to steer away from tradition.

[04DarkShadowGT]

Originally Posted by jjtgiants

I'm not sure how it all works, but I think if the Big Ten champ goes to the NC game then the Rose Bowl has the option of picking team from a different conference, however there is tradition with the pac 10 and big 10 playing each other and the old farts who makes these decisions aren't going to steer away from tradition.

JJ is correct, Since the Big 10 and SEC champs are in the title game, the Rose Bowl had its choice of anyeone except Oklahoma and Va Tech. They could have picked Georgia even with an SEC tie in to the Sugar Bowl since LSU was the SEC champ and is in the title game.