Control Arm Upgrade

tedinde · 02-06-2005, 08:43 PM

Installing these tomorrow on a 1997 mustang gt I bought 2 weeks ago. And still on the same tank of gas it came with. Winter sucks.

Yes they fit a 97, he didnt list all the years.

Saved some dough on ebay on the control arms. My question is, has anyone on here Changed their control arms and did you see a noticeable launch difference. Got them for $150

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWN%3AIT

I bought a 93 gt 10 years ago that had southside lowers that was like a slingshot off the line.

I welded on my subframe connectors this afternoon. And Fully welded my torque boxes and upper control arm mounts and added some extra steel welded in on all 4 points. Bought a Used Mig welder from a friend cheap a year ago. Its more that paid for itself welding stuff up for friends.

I bought this car for a weekend dragstrip car. Ive got a 2nd set of rims and some Nittos DRs on the way also.

Ive got a nitrous system to go on and i already have a big refill bottle i picked up from my Gas supply store I live 1 block from, I paid $110 for a 65lb tank.

I cant wait till spring and drag season, Anyone on here go to cecil county Maryland. And does the sunoco gas station down the street still have the 108 octane or 112?? Dam i used to love filling up with that on a 1993 GT i ad with a single intercooled Cartech turbo!! It Came with a GM knock sensor that tapped into the ford block and adjusted the timing on the ford EEC IV, The better the gas the more power. I could run 87 octane safely!. All stock block, cept oringed heads.

Sorry for Rambling too many beers tonight during the super bowl!!!

Questions for anyone with Control arm Upgrades

1. Does it affect your Lateral handleing at all.

2. Any noise or creaking?

3. Did you see a noticable launch difference?

4. Any Negative effects on the street for everyday driving?

spike_africa · 02-06-2005, 08:50 PM

1. it will help as it keeps the rear more centered and stiffer.

2.If you dont really lube thoser bushing yes it will make noise, they will need to be lubed up every year or so seems to be the norm.

3.My freinds fox it help get rid of all of his wheel hop. dropped 2tenths in his 60' on Dr's.

4.i dont get the last one.

Hope i helped a bit.

Blue02GT · 02-06-2005, 09:18 PM

I installed adjustable uppers and lowers along with drag struts up front and full frame connectors. I did not pick up anything at the time. I was running the stock converter and street tires and 3.37's gears. When I did further mod's to the transmission and added 4.30 gears I dropped from avg. 60 foot times of 2.10 to low 1.8's with drag radials. I think the suspension mod's helped and will help even more as I add more power down the line. My car launches without wheel hop and straight as an arrow.

tedinde · 02-06-2005, 09:36 PM

I reworded 4. Even i didnt understand what i asked?? Too many superbowl beers!!!

The car has some futura 245s on the rears now 1st 2nd and half of 3rd is like on ice. I bought the car from a dealer, 1997 mustang Gt it had 55k on it and some mods. I ordered a shifter and found it already had a steeda Tri ax. Magnaflow Cat backs, CAI, neck and neck with a friends 2002 i outrun him. Upon closer inspection all weekend i found the previous owner Changed the heads and intakes to PIs. I should run neck and neck against my friends 2002 since same heads and all. but i pull away pretty good.

Does a PI head and intake upgrade give more power than a newer mustang with pi heads,

I remember Changing heads on my 1986 mustang to 1987 heads made the car faster than a 1987, It upped the compression.

Is there a difference in my pistions and compression on 1997 motors compared to 1999 and newer 4.6s??

spike_africa · 02-07-2005, 06:21 AM

Yes Pi heads and intake on a 96-98 will have around 10.2 is it? i forget put its more than our 99+ cars hence why yours pulls so hard. Ps sounds like you got a nice car there.

As for number 4. it should drive almost likly stock. maybe a bit stiffer around concers but i felt no real difference in my freinds cars with lowers.

*venom* · 02-07-2005, 09:47 AM

The bad news is adding a power adder will be a problem with that compression. I was contemplating the PI head swap but I figured I would get a cobra motor and still have the option for forced induction.

*madmatt* · 02-07-2005, 06:27 PM

Yea, it sounds like you aquired quite the beast. At first when you said you pulled your friends 02 I was like WTF Mate? Then I saw the headswap. Yes, you do have higher compression now than the 02 and other 99+ Pi headed cars. I think that as long as you run a safe A/F ratio on the spray, you will be fine. Just get it on a dyno and make sure its ok. Ive heard that other than a few creaks and squeaks, LCA's are no problem on the street. Hope you have a great time with the car man, sounds awesome.

tedinde · 02-07-2005, 07:17 PM

I was looking at a 95 stang since i used to live 5.0 back in te 80s and 90s. I laid off a while.

I got this 1997 for $5500 from a friend that has a car lot and took it as a trade. As i said i didnt know what mods were done. it only had 51k on the odometer.

When i test drove it, it pulled awful hard, Better than any of my 5.0s when i first got them and reved over 6k no problem which is usually a no no for 5.0s. On testing i fiured it had some gears, but after jacking it up when i got home 3.27s.were found. This is my 8th mustang in my life.

It came with a Cold air induction, Magnaflow Catback, and if you read another shifter thread in here. I ordered a new shifter, and when i went to change it, when i pulled the boot, there was already a steeda Tri-ax!!! Dam i thought the stock shifter sure did shift good. Factory Knob on it!!

Until i Id'd the PI heads and intake, i finally found where this seemingly stock 97 was getting its extra boost. My friend with the 2002 gave me the suggestion that the heads were changed, upon looking at his and my intake. Plus that explains the ping with 87 octane in 3rd and 4th. Better gas solves it.

Looking at the stock control arms compared to these the are a lot beefier, I have the car up on Jack stands now. And upon looking at my stockers, The stock rubber bushings seem to be squriming out already. I welded up the torque boxes, and completely welded up the upper control arm mounts. Looks like only 4 tack welds were holding each one on before!! SCARY!!!

This car feels a lot tighter than the turbo 93 gt i had. I dont hear one creak, Even before i welded in the subframe connectors.

Anyone on here around Delaware?? Ill be @ cecil county drag strip when season starts. Drop me a PM

WaterDR · 02-07-2005, 07:32 PM

Dean:

I am finally going to add lowering springs and LCA and UCA's. I am going either with the Steeda Sport Springs or the Ford C Springs. For the control arms, I seem to like the quality and price of the UPR ones or the ones from X2C. They are not adjustable, but I am not too concerned about that.

Any thoughts?

spike_africa · 02-07-2005, 07:43 PM

I like the X2C ones too. But i think i am gonna grab some steeda cause i like there stuff its top notche.

WaterDR · 02-07-2005, 07:51 PM

Yeah...Steeda stuff is superb...just scared by the price.

tedinde · 02-07-2005, 07:52 PM

Im wanting to put these on tomrrow. I have some nitto DRs coming in by wednesday. Im actually wanting to put the DRs on then test them out, then change the UCA and LCAs, to see if it was money well spent on the control arms. I was wanting to wait and not do my sub connectors yet either and do all the control arms with them. Its to hard to wait with goodies laying around.

But then i only did pay $150 for these new on ebay. I cant ever resist a good deal!!

Im a power seller myself on ebay So i live on there.

*madmatt* · 02-08-2005, 12:46 PM

Hey Blake, check on the Pro3i Arms that Partshopper.com has. They are basically copies of the MM arms, for like 80 bucks cheaper. They have like street, and street race forms and they are supposedly a great arm for a great price. Just something to look into.

WaterDR · 02-08-2005, 02:20 PM

Thanks Matt!

Blue02GT · 02-08-2005, 02:56 PM

Blake, I have the standard Steeda lowers. They have crummy bushings. If you get them upgrade the bushings or you will end up having to later anyway. I like the adjustable uppers, they are not that bad price wise. Now the Hard core adjustable uppers are expensive but nice pieces. Nothing wrong with the UPR stuff either, Bill Putnam ran 12 flat with them launching at 6K on slicks.
Sounds like you are getting the itch to run the vert at the track. Better upgrade the rear or it will explode when you launch on the juice.

WaterDR · 02-08-2005, 03:09 PM

Street tires remains to be my insurance policy!

ModMotorRacer · 02-09-2005, 03:48 AM

"Until i Id'd the PI heads and intake, i finally found where this seemingly stock 97 was getting its extra boost. My friend with the 2002 gave me the suggestion that the heads were changed, upon looking at his and my intake. Plus that explains the ping with 87 octane in 3rd and 4th. Better gas solves it."

PI intake can be put on non-pi heads, you might want to check your serial #'s on your heads to see if they are PI or NPI. On that note could have PI cams in NON-PI heads also.

Adam

*madmatt* · 02-09-2005, 04:01 AM

But would he still pull his friend like that? I didnt think a pi intake and cammed car would take a PI car.

ModMotorRacer · 02-09-2005, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmatt

But would he still pull his friend like that? I didnt think a pi intake and cammed car would take a PI car.

PI intake and PI cams in NPI heads vs. a full PI car is a drivers race. Its a proven fact that the NPI cams/intake were the problem not the heads. PI intake on NPI heads is worth 15rwhp...cams another 10rwhp..this is on NPI heads. This is well documented on the dyno. I chose the full PI swap because of the boost in compression.

Adam

tedinde · 02-09-2005, 12:47 PM

I got a hold of the original owner, I knew his name off a old registration left in the car, And in the glove box were some maintenance receipts, so i called his home number today.

He didnt mind me STALKING him and understood. He did the full PI conversion, Heads and intake 2 years ago. He traded the car in and bought a Cobra.

Changed the clutch 2 months ago and a better quadrant. before he traded it in also. I was wondering why i was getting such a left leg workout!!!

If only he woulda put some 4.10s in too!!! But i made out i wont complain. Anyone from delaware or close that knows a good place to get gears installed??

02-06-2005, 08:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
tedinde Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bear Delaware Posts: 220	Control Arm Upgrade Installing these tomorrow on a 1997 mustang gt I bought 2 weeks ago. And still on the same tank of gas it came with. Winter sucks. Yes they fit a 97, he didnt list all the years. Saved some dough on ebay on the control arms. My question is, has anyone on here Changed their control arms and did you see a noticeable launch difference. Got them for $150 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWN%3AIT I bought a 93 gt 10 years ago that had southside lowers that was like a slingshot off the line. I welded on my subframe connectors this afternoon. And Fully welded my torque boxes and upper control arm mounts and added some extra steel welded in on all 4 points. Bought a Used Mig welder from a friend cheap a year ago. Its more that paid for itself welding stuff up for friends. I bought this car for a weekend dragstrip car. Ive got a 2nd set of rims and some Nittos DRs on the way also. Ive got a nitrous system to go on and i already have a big refill bottle i picked up from my Gas supply store I live 1 block from, I paid $110 for a 65lb tank. I cant wait till spring and drag season, Anyone on here go to cecil county Maryland. And does the sunoco gas station down the street still have the 108 octane or 112?? Dam i used to love filling up with that on a 1993 GT i ad with a single intercooled Cartech turbo!! It Came with a GM knock sensor that tapped into the ford block and adjusted the timing on the ford EEC IV, The better the gas the more power. I could run 87 octane safely!. All stock block, cept oringed heads. Sorry for Rambling too many beers tonight during the super bowl!!! Questions for anyone with Control arm Upgrades 1. Does it affect your Lateral handleing at all. 2. Any noise or creaking? 3. Did you see a noticable launch difference? 4. Any Negative effects on the street for everyday driving?

02-06-2005, 08:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,200	1. it will help as it keeps the rear more centered and stiffer. 2.If you dont really lube thoser bushing yes it will make noise, they will need to be lubed up every year or so seems to be the norm. 3.My freinds fox it help get rid of all of his wheel hop. dropped 2tenths in his 60' on Dr's. 4.i dont get the last one. Hope i helped a bit. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

02-06-2005, 09:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	I installed adjustable uppers and lowers along with drag struts up front and full frame connectors. I did not pick up anything at the time. I was running the stock converter and street tires and 3.37's gears. When I did further mod's to the transmission and added 4.30 gears I dropped from avg. 60 foot times of 2.10 to low 1.8's with drag radials. I think the suspension mod's helped and will help even more as I add more power down the line. My car launches without wheel hop and straight as an arrow. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

02-07-2005, 06:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,200	Yes Pi heads and intake on a 96-98 will have around 10.2 is it? i forget put its more than our 99+ cars hence why yours pulls so hard. Ps sounds like you got a nice car there. As for number 4. it should drive almost likly stock. maybe a bit stiffer around concers but i felt no real difference in my freinds cars with lowers. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

02-07-2005, 09:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
venom Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,347	The bad news is adding a power adder will be a problem with that compression. I was contemplating the PI head swap but I figured I would get a cobra motor and still have the option for forced induction. __________________ http://www.mustangboards.com/mustang...500/ppuser/103

02-06-2005, 09:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
tedinde Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bear Delaware Posts: 220	I reworded 4. Even i didnt understand what i asked?? Too many superbowl beers!!! The car has some futura 245s on the rears now 1st 2nd and half of 3rd is like on ice. I bought the car from a dealer, 1997 mustang Gt it had 55k on it and some mods. I ordered a shifter and found it already had a steeda Tri ax. Magnaflow Cat backs, CAI, neck and neck with a friends 2002 i outrun him. Upon closer inspection all weekend i found the previous owner Changed the heads and intakes to PIs. I should run neck and neck against my friends 2002 since same heads and all. but i pull away pretty good. Does a PI head and intake upgrade give more power than a newer mustang with pi heads, I remember Changing heads on my 1986 mustang to 1987 heads made the car faster than a 1987, It upped the compression. Is there a difference in my pistions and compression on 1997 motors compared to 1999 and newer 4.6s??

02-07-2005, 06:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
madmatt Traitor...lol Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 7,922	Yea, it sounds like you aquired quite the beast. At first when you said you pulled your friends 02 I was like WTF Mate? Then I saw the headswap. Yes, you do have higher compression now than the 02 and other 99+ Pi headed cars. I think that as long as you run a safe A/F ratio on the spray, you will be fine. Just get it on a dyno and make sure its ok. Ive heard that other than a few creaks and squeaks, LCA's are no problem on the street. Hope you have a great time with the car man, sounds awesome. __________________ RPMPlanets

02-07-2005, 07:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
tedinde Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bear Delaware Posts: 220	I was looking at a 95 stang since i used to live 5.0 back in te 80s and 90s. I laid off a while. I got this 1997 for $5500 from a friend that has a car lot and took it as a trade. As i said i didnt know what mods were done. it only had 51k on the odometer. When i test drove it, it pulled awful hard, Better than any of my 5.0s when i first got them and reved over 6k no problem which is usually a no no for 5.0s. On testing i fiured it had some gears, but after jacking it up when i got home 3.27s.were found. This is my 8th mustang in my life. It came with a Cold air induction, Magnaflow Catback, and if you read another shifter thread in here. I ordered a new shifter, and when i went to change it, when i pulled the boot, there was already a steeda Tri-ax!!! Dam i thought the stock shifter sure did shift good. Factory Knob on it!! Until i Id'd the PI heads and intake, i finally found where this seemingly stock 97 was getting its extra boost. My friend with the 2002 gave me the suggestion that the heads were changed, upon looking at his and my intake. Plus that explains the ping with 87 octane in 3rd and 4th. Better gas solves it. Looking at the stock control arms compared to these the are a lot beefier, I have the car up on Jack stands now. And upon looking at my stockers, The stock rubber bushings seem to be squriming out already. I welded up the torque boxes, and completely welded up the upper control arm mounts. Looks like only 4 tack welds were holding each one on before!! SCARY!!! This car feels a lot tighter than the turbo 93 gt i had. I dont hear one creak, Even before i welded in the subframe connectors. Anyone on here around Delaware?? Ill be @ cecil county drag strip when season starts. Drop me a PM

02-07-2005, 07:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	Dean: I am finally going to add lowering springs and LCA and UCA's. I am going either with the Steeda Sport Springs or the Ford C Springs. For the control arms, I seem to like the quality and price of the UPR ones or the ones from X2C. They are not adjustable, but I am not too concerned about that. Any thoughts? __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

02-07-2005, 07:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,200	I like the X2C ones too. But i think i am gonna grab some steeda cause i like there stuff its top notche. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

02-07-2005, 07:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	Yeah...Steeda stuff is superb...just scared by the price. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

02-07-2005, 07:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
tedinde Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bear Delaware Posts: 220	Im wanting to put these on tomrrow. I have some nitto DRs coming in by wednesday. Im actually wanting to put the DRs on then test them out, then change the UCA and LCAs, to see if it was money well spent on the control arms. I was wanting to wait and not do my sub connectors yet either and do all the control arms with them. Its to hard to wait with goodies laying around. But then i only did pay $150 for these new on ebay. I cant ever resist a good deal!! Im a power seller myself on ebay So i live on there.

02-08-2005, 12:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
madmatt Traitor...lol Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 7,922	Hey Blake, check on the Pro3i Arms that Partshopper.com has. They are basically copies of the MM arms, for like 80 bucks cheaper. They have like street, and street race forms and they are supposedly a great arm for a great price. Just something to look into. __________________ RPMPlanets

02-08-2005, 02:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	Thanks Matt! __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

02-08-2005, 02:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Blake, I have the standard Steeda lowers. They have crummy bushings. If you get them upgrade the bushings or you will end up having to later anyway. I like the adjustable uppers, they are not that bad price wise. Now the Hard core adjustable uppers are expensive but nice pieces. Nothing wrong with the UPR stuff either, Bill Putnam ran 12 flat with them launching at 6K on slicks. Sounds like you are getting the itch to run the vert at the track. Better upgrade the rear or it will explode when you launch on the juice. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

02-08-2005, 03:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	Street tires remains to be my insurance policy! __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

02-09-2005, 03:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
ModMotorRacer Modular Misfit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 329	"Until i Id'd the PI heads and intake, i finally found where this seemingly stock 97 was getting its extra boost. My friend with the 2002 gave me the suggestion that the heads were changed, upon looking at his and my intake. Plus that explains the ping with 87 octane in 3rd and 4th. Better gas solves it." PI intake can be put on non-pi heads, you might want to check your serial #'s on your heads to see if they are PI or NPI. On that note could have PI cams in NON-PI heads also. Adam __________________ www.modularmisfits.com 98GT NA Auto...12.61@109 NMRA Mod Muscle #10

02-09-2005, 04:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
madmatt Traitor...lol Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 7,922	But would he still pull his friend like that? I didnt think a pi intake and cammed car would take a PI car. __________________ RPMPlanets

02-09-2005, 12:47 PM	#20 (permalink)
tedinde Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bear Delaware Posts: 220	I got a hold of the original owner, I knew his name off a old registration left in the car, And in the glove box were some maintenance receipts, so i called his home number today. He didnt mind me STALKING him and understood. He did the full PI conversion, Heads and intake 2 years ago. He traded the car in and bought a Cobra. Changed the clutch 2 months ago and a better quadrant. before he traded it in also. I was wondering why i was getting such a left leg workout!!! If only he woulda put some 4.10s in too!!! But i made out i wont complain. Anyone from delaware or close that knows a good place to get gears installed??

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