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Not swapping. You guys are nuts for trying. 4 1.85%
Not swapping but find the topic interesting. 28 12.96%
Thinking about doing the swap but not in the next year. 36 16.67%
Definitely going to do the swap in the next year or so. 55 25.46%
Doing it now. Looking for an engine or awaiting delivery. 33 15.28%
Doing it now. Already bought an engine. 41 18.98%
Done. Got my 5.4L and showin my tail lights to camaro's every day. 16 7.41%
Screw 5.4, I'm going diesel 4cylinder. 3 1.39%
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The lightning short block is capable of holding good power in the 400rw+ range. I don't know what type of rod is in the L motor so I can't give any good advice. Typically you'll pay a major premium for a L motor over a NA 5.4 from a work truck or van or SUV.

The 5.4 Intake is coming. I've got a commitment from at least 1 company since I've shown them 20 specific guys that are doing the swap right now and all want an aftermarket intake that looks stock and performs for this application with a good wide power band.

You have to be patient. I've been beating on several companies for over a year to get this into production. They have to understand that the only thing stopping the wide spread ditching of 4.6's is the intake issue. To get them to understand takes time.

In any case, Saleen S330, I like what I saw at reckless but I'm holding out for one that's a good deal shorter. I want the aftermarket to make it cast so it'll drive the cost down sub 1000 bucks so people will do it and drive the cost down more. Kinda like 5.0 parts, everyone has them so they're cheap as hell.

Update is: We've been moving forward. I'll call around today and see if there's any real milestones have been met.
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Old 02-17-2006, 10:12 AM
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another update.

You can all look at www.hiperformancesolutions.com for the best designed intake I've seen for our applications. HUGE plenum, medium runner length, removable bottom cover, extrude honeable, port-able. Best part is the runner towers can be adorned with a fogger nozzle and appropriate bracketry and you'll have a killer totally hidden nitrous system. If you're running boost, you can shoot a charge of water&methanol into the lower plenum and cool the boost when you crank it up for drag day.

The guy in charge of the design and production of intakes for the 4.6 and 5.4 is heading up to Chi-Town shortly to go over some tooling details for the 4.6 unit. That means the 4.6 intake is nearing readiness to go full production. As soon as that's in production, the lights are green to stretch it for the 5.4 which will take a good bit less time since the design is effectively the same with some tweaks to keep the power up at the higher end.

I'll be putting the 4.6 intake on my 4.6 and then on my 5.4 with plates, then I'll get a 5.4 intake and sell one of you hippies my 4.6 intake on the cheap.

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Old 02-17-2006, 10:31 AM
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Yea, I never realized how easy this is and really want to do it as well.

I know the 5.4L lightning has +.020 FORGED Ford pistons, steel crank, and just says lightning rods (I don't know anymore about them either).

If you swapped to a 5.4L, would you see an increase of power to the rear wheels OR torque to the rear wheels? I have all the other bold on's so it would really be a fully bolt on 5.4L.
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Old 02-17-2006, 10:32 AM
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O and also the lightning block I can get for under 2K, plus 300 for the adapter plates from Reichard Racing, not to bad I think.
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Old 02-21-2006, 11:26 AM
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Can't wait for the 5.4 intake!! In one of the late 2004 5.0 mags, they did the swap into a 2000 GT with auto. it gained around 25 HP but 90 Ftlbs of torque to the wells after they tuned it, with out tuned, i think it gained around 13 hp and 30 FTlbs of torque. I would def. get the tune. I'm still waiting on getting a tune, plus adding some pics and a sound clip.
I'll have to get the mag again to updated the actual gains
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Can't wait for the 5.4 intake!! In one of the late 2004 5.0 mags, they did the swap into a 2000 GT with auto. it gained around 25 HP but 90 Ftlbs of torque to the wells after they tuned it, with out tuned, i think it gained around 13 hp and 30 FTlbs of torque. I would def. get the tune. I'm still waiting on getting a tune, plus adding some pics and a sound clip.
I'll have to get the mag again to updated the actual gains

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think of what you're saying there. My 03GT puts down in relatively stock trim 244/281 add 25 and 90 and you get 269/370. That's with 1st gen garage built plates and a gt intake. That's impressive... supercharger torque with NA fuel drinking. Killer. Start adding other bits like cams and intakes and things go nuts fast. Think about 325/380 from a NA motor.

I've got a set of heads being hogged out as I type. After that a set of custom cams has already been chosen. Hopefully I'll see bumps on both hp&tq. I'm fighting the urge to slap a set of longtubes on it but I don't think it's working.

So, who's next to sign up. There'll be a pimpin intake in about a year so now's the time to go get yourself a 2V 5.4 and start building it. Imagine the possibilities.
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r3dn3ck, what long tubes are you thinking of getting? Custom? I am doubting any 4.6 long tubes would fit, but I'd love for you to change my mind!
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Existing longtubes wouldn't fit with a 5.4 swap?
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So you can reuse your computer too? No need to tune for a 2v swap.
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With some of the mods to the passenger side exhuast that i had to do, i wouldn't think so, but that was with the exhaust not header. But i know the 96-04 stock headers will fit the 5.4. i put some barely used 03 GT headers on mine.
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Old 02-23-2006, 08:22 AM
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oh yeah, and like i said, that was gains with an auto, they said if it was a five speed, the rear wheel TQ would be 300+ from 2000 RPM to 5000 RPM instead of 2500 RPM to 4000 RPM with the auto. That type of TQ from a N/A motor, sweet! The car also had a K&N drop in filter and flowmasters. They later added alot of bolt ons, so i'll have to find that mag also.
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Old 02-23-2006, 08:39 AM
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You can reuse your computer but a tune should be a must with all the extra cubes your computer will be dealing with.
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:18 AM
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what did you do with the brake booster? You have manual brakes and steering now?
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I reused all the stock componets, even brake booster. Everything bolted up, even my stock saleen pulleys to the steering pump and oil cooler.
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i am planning on doing this my self
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sorry I've been lagging on the updates. I've managed to get a windage tray, a set of TRW forged pistons, another 5.4L (this one from a 2000 Expedition with nice low miles) complete motor, a HD oil pump and my set of Reichard Racing adapter plates.

Rods are next and I found a seller on ebay that puts nice forged H beams up for 319, so I'll pick up a set of those soon. I'm working an angle on a particularly special intake too. Hopefully all will be built and installed by summer.

Chip, welcome. How long till you see yourself making it happen? any other details? cmon man you're holding us in suspense.
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IMO a 2v 5.4 swap is a waste of money...sure theres a bennefit but not ebough to justify that much money

for N/A applications 4v>2v
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Badfist, i'm glad your rich...oh, i have a Saleen with a 5.4, jealous people suck.
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IMO a 2v 5.4 swap is a waste of money...sure theres a bennefit but not ebough to justify that much money

for N/A applications 4v>2v


its not that much money, im talking about doing the swap for possibly under a grand. thats less than a full exhaust on a 4.6 and will give you a lot more power. do you have any experience with this swap? or are you reading numbers and spouting your opinion? of course the 4v 5.4 would be a lot nicer to have but it also costs a lot more money and the swap is a lot more involved.
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I agree 100% with floppy, it's not expensive, not hard to do and the benefits are awesome!!!
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right now i am talking w/Terry Johnson of Street Lethal Perf. in Pa. talking over my options, but it will be nothing special....

just a forged 5.4 block, might use my 4.6 heads cause they have been shaved .03 w/comp cams non-pi stage 2 cams (xe268 i think) adapter plates to use my bullitt intake, mac l/t headers, dr. gas x-pipe, flowmasters 2 chamber 40 series, mcloed 800 series clutch, procharger @ 12#'s maybe a boost-pipe for another pound or 2, and if that aint enough, i will spray a 50 shot into it....

looking for 500-550hp w/o N2O....anything more will be just "EXTRA"

he said he has built a mach 1 w/a/ similar set up STOCK 5.4 using a lightning lower intake and a 98 cobra upper intake (fabbed custom midplate) w/a P1SC and raced a mitsu eclipse that ran 11.40's and walked away from him...

the added tourqe produced by the 5.4 is enough to build up the centrifigul blower til it takes over....he said it should keep up with 03-04 cobras w/whipples and KB's that make 550-600hp no problem...

hope to start on the motor soon after my car gets repainted, hope to be done by middle of the summer.... :banana:
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anybody got any updates?
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i wana here where you can get these motors cheap let me know i am in for one whats all the stuff with the intake don't understand but i wanna do a twin turbo set up
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hope u got at least 10K to spend.
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Ok... I've read enough from the haters. I have now bought 3 5.4L complete motors. One was 80 bucks, the second was 550 and the third was 250. These are complete motors with heads and accessories. The swap doesn't cost that much. Quit being jealous. Sheesh.

The intake on 5.4's is not really an issue. I'm in the finishing stages of development with a company that will make adapter plates and 4.6 intakes and 5.4 intakes. I'll fill you all in when the time is right. Suffice it to say that for less than a grand you can have all the intake you'll need.

I've shown that the stock mustang intake isn't perfect but it isn't the problem wtih power performance. THe cams need more to be attended to for max power. THe intake side doens't have the duration it needs. Fix that with a generally more aggressive cam or with a custom grind and you're making blower power right off the bat anyway but, adding a cam is an option that is not required to run 12's on motor.

Whitethunder... my total investment on my BUILT motor so far is less than 1K, when it's finished wtih intake and plates I'll have 2500 into it. My stock trim 5.4L could bolt in right now for about 500 bucks all in (including plates and exhaust mods). Where do you see 10K?
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Ok... I've read enough from the haters. I have now bought 3 5.4L complete motors. One was 80 bucks, the second was 550 and the third was 250. These are complete motors with heads and accessories. The swap doesn't cost that much. Quit being jealous. Sheesh.

The intake on 5.4's is not really an issue. I'm in the finishing stages of development with a company that will make adapter plates and 4.6 intakes and 5.4 intakes. I'll fill you all in when the time is right. Suffice it to say that for less than a grand you can have all the intake you'll need.

I've shown that the stock mustang intake isn't perfect but it isn't the problem wtih power performance. THe cams need more to be attended to for max power. THe intake side doens't have the duration it needs. Fix that with a generally more aggressive cam or with a custom grind and you're making blower power right off the bat anyway but, adding a cam is an option that is not required to run 12's on motor.

Whitethunder... my total investment on my BUILT motor so far is less than 1K, when it's finished wtih intake and plates I'll have 2500 into it. My stock trim 5.4L could bolt in right now for about 500 bucks all in (including plates and exhaust mods). Where do you see 10K?
Well if you could find a motor for that cheap i'd be interested in getting one NOW...
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i also agree with R3DN3CK here also!!! Don't hate when your jealous, it's ok to have a 281cid motor.....damn 330 is nice.

Just look around at your local junk yard or possibly ebay. The swap is easy and not pricey at all. I swapped out my motor for a 5.4 and i swapped out my tranny for a cobra t-45 that had under 3K miles on it,then... new hoses, new radiator, new belt, new sensors, intake adapter plates, new CAI, intake, and C&L plenum, new fuel pressure reg....almost 3G right there. You can't beat that, and that's with a newer tranny and some other parts that you don't have to get!!!! You can use all your stock 4.6 stuff!! When i bought the SVO GT-40 crate motor for my 95 GT, that costed 3 grand 4 years ago and that was just the long block and for less..... i could smoke my 95 GT. Get with the crowd and no more hating!
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Whitethunder... my total investment on my BUILT motor so far is less than 1K, when it's finished wtih intake and plates I'll have 2500 into it. My stock trim 5.4L could bolt in right now for about 500 bucks all in (including plates and exhaust mods). Where do you see 10K?

GUYS GUYS GUYS!!!!..... I'm doing the swap myself!!! I know all this...... Read the previous posts!

When I said have at least 10K to spend, was to the guy who was doing the 5.4L built WITH twin turbbo set up! geesh, lol

carry-on!
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I'm sorry... I thought you had flipped sides and lost your mind all at once.

My bad. And yes a TT setup on a built 5.4.... easy 10K. Add 4V to the mix and step up to 15K. The hell of it is any power adder makes this an almost unstreetable setup. I don't know if people realize what it's like to drive a light car that makes 300lbs of torque just off idle and zips up to 350+rwtq by the time you see 2600rpm. Traction is limited all the way into deep 3rd gear on a mild NA build. Add boost... you might as well put bald tires on your car.

BTW 01'GT blown. Go to a junkyard, talk to people in your area to find a wrecked Fx50 and take the 5.4 out of it. That's how to get it cheap. I did some legwork for my motors but I ended up getting all 3 of them from Craigslist.org listings.

And to people thinking twin turbo... bad plan. There's room under the hood for 1 good size turbo. Use a T66-1 or a T76 and you'll only need the 1 head unit, it'll spool up MUCH faster and be a helluva lot easier to actually integrate and tune. Twins are great if you need small turbos to use small displacement and spool up fast for moderate boost. But, quick spool, 1 head, and big power comes from 1 big azz turbo. Sure you could use 2 and get better HP... but wouldn't it make sense to use the money to build up your fuel system instead of adding hair dryers? Keep in mind that a 5.4 sucking in 14lbs will need 55lbs injectors and a HUGE fuel pump draining a sumped tank.

Above all I am building mine as the ultimate expression of streetable power. No more than I can get to the ground or use on the street and enough to embarrass a lot of 03 cobra drivers (not all but a lot of them).
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