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r3dn3ck · 02-17-2006, 09:54 AM

The lightning short block is capable of holding good power in the 400rw+ range. I don't know what type of rod is in the L motor so I can't give any good advice. Typically you'll pay a major premium for a L motor over a NA 5.4 from a work truck or van or SUV.

The 5.4 Intake is coming. I've got a commitment from at least 1 company since I've shown them 20 specific guys that are doing the swap right now and all want an aftermarket intake that looks stock and performs for this application with a good wide power band.

You have to be patient. I've been beating on several companies for over a year to get this into production. They have to understand that the only thing stopping the wide spread ditching of 4.6's is the intake issue. To get them to understand takes time.

In any case, Saleen S330, I like what I saw at reckless but I'm holding out for one that's a good deal shorter. I want the aftermarket to make it cast so it'll drive the cost down sub 1000 bucks so people will do it and drive the cost down more. Kinda like 5.0 parts, everyone has them so they're cheap as hell.

Update is: We've been moving forward. I'll call around today and see if there's any real milestones have been met.

r3dn3ck · 02-17-2006, 10:12 AM

another update.

You can all look at www.hiperformancesolutions.com for the best designed intake I've seen for our applications. HUGE plenum, medium runner length, removable bottom cover, extrude honeable, port-able. Best part is the runner towers can be adorned with a fogger nozzle and appropriate bracketry and you'll have a killer totally hidden nitrous system. If you're running boost, you can shoot a charge of water&methanol into the lower plenum and cool the boost when you crank it up for drag day.

The guy in charge of the design and production of intakes for the 4.6 and 5.4 is heading up to Chi-Town shortly to go over some tooling details for the 4.6 unit. That means the 4.6 intake is nearing readiness to go full production. As soon as that's in production, the lights are green to stretch it for the 5.4 which will take a good bit less time since the design is effectively the same with some tweaks to keep the power up at the higher end.

I'll be putting the 4.6 intake on my 4.6 and then on my 5.4 with plates, then I'll get a 5.4 intake and sell one of you hippies my 4.6 intake on the cheap.

Please visit the link above. More hits shows more interest. More interest justifies more resources devoted to our project.

whitethunder46 · 02-17-2006, 10:31 AM

Yea, I never realized how easy this is and really want to do it as well.

I know the 5.4L lightning has +.020 FORGED Ford pistons, steel crank, and just says lightning rods (I don't know anymore about them either).

If you swapped to a 5.4L, would you see an increase of power to the rear wheels OR torque to the rear wheels? I have all the other bold on's so it would really be a fully bolt on 5.4L.

whitethunder46 · 02-17-2006, 10:32 AM

O and also the lightning block I can get for under 2K, plus 300 for the adapter plates from Reichard Racing, not to bad I think.

Saleen S330 · 02-21-2006, 11:26 AM

Can't wait for the 5.4 intake!! In one of the late 2004 5.0 mags, they did the swap into a 2000 GT with auto. it gained around 25 HP but 90 Ftlbs of torque to the wells after they tuned it, with out tuned, i think it gained around 13 hp and 30 FTlbs of torque. I would def. get the tune. I'm still waiting on getting a tune, plus adding some pics and a sound clip.
I'll have to get the mag again to updated the actual gains

Saleen S330 · 02-22-2006, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saleen S330

Can't wait for the 5.4 intake!! In one of the late 2004 5.0 mags, they did the swap into a 2000 GT with auto. it gained around 25 HP but 90 Ftlbs of torque to the wells after they tuned it, with out tuned, i think it gained around 13 hp and 30 FTlbs of torque. I would def. get the tune. I'm still waiting on getting a tune, plus adding some pics and a sound clip.
I'll have to get the mag again to updated the actual gains

To the wheels, i can't spell:wallbash:

r3dn3ck · 02-22-2006, 01:04 PM

think of what you're saying there. My 03GT puts down in relatively stock trim 244/281 add 25 and 90 and you get 269/370. That's with 1st gen garage built plates and a gt intake. That's impressive... supercharger torque with NA fuel drinking. Killer. Start adding other bits like cams and intakes and things go nuts fast. Think about 325/380 from a NA motor.

I've got a set of heads being hogged out as I type. After that a set of custom cams has already been chosen. Hopefully I'll see bumps on both hp&tq. I'm fighting the urge to slap a set of longtubes on it but I don't think it's working.

So, who's next to sign up. There'll be a pimpin intake in about a year so now's the time to go get yourself a 2V 5.4 and start building it. Imagine the possibilities.

bshiek · 02-23-2006, 07:04 AM

r3dn3ck, what long tubes are you thinking of getting? Custom? I am doubting any 4.6 long tubes would fit, but I'd love for you to change my mind!

whitethunder46 · 02-23-2006, 07:33 AM

Existing longtubes wouldn't fit with a 5.4 swap?

Mikeaveli · 02-23-2006, 08:03 AM

So you can reuse your computer too? No need to tune for a 2v swap.

Saleen S330 · 02-23-2006, 08:16 AM

With some of the mods to the passenger side exhuast that i had to do, i wouldn't think so, but that was with the exhaust not header. But i know the 96-04 stock headers will fit the 5.4. i put some barely used 03 GT headers on mine.

Saleen S330 · 02-23-2006, 08:22 AM

oh yeah, and like i said, that was gains with an auto, they said if it was a five speed, the rear wheel TQ would be 300+ from 2000 RPM to 5000 RPM instead of 2500 RPM to 4000 RPM with the auto. That type of TQ from a N/A motor, sweet! The car also had a K&N drop in filter and flowmasters. They later added alot of bolt ons, so i'll have to find that mag also.

Saleen S330 · 02-23-2006, 08:39 AM

You can reuse your computer but a tune should be a must with all the extra cubes your computer will be dealing with.

ModMotorRacer · 02-23-2006, 10:18 AM

what did you do with the brake booster? You have manual brakes and steering now?

Saleen S330 · 02-23-2006, 10:47 AM

I reused all the stock componets, even brake booster. Everything bolted up, even my stock saleen pulleys to the steering pump and oil cooler.

chip6990 · 03-05-2006, 05:47 PM

i am planning on doing this my self

r3dn3ck · 03-05-2006, 06:08 PM

sorry I've been lagging on the updates. I've managed to get a windage tray, a set of TRW forged pistons, another 5.4L (this one from a 2000 Expedition with nice low miles) complete motor, a HD oil pump and my set of Reichard Racing adapter plates.

Rods are next and I found a seller on ebay that puts nice forged H beams up for 319, so I'll pick up a set of those soon. I'm working an angle on a particularly special intake too. Hopefully all will be built and installed by summer.

Chip, welcome. How long till you see yourself making it happen? any other details? cmon man you're holding us in suspense.

Badfish · 03-05-2006, 07:20 PM

IMO a 2v 5.4 swap is a waste of money...sure theres a bennefit but not ebough to justify that much money

for N/A applications 4v>2v

Saleen S330 · 03-06-2006, 04:36 AM

Badfist, i'm glad your rich...oh, i have a Saleen with a 5.4, jealous people suck.

floppy · 03-06-2006, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badfish

IMO a 2v 5.4 swap is a waste of money...sure theres a bennefit but not ebough to justify that much money

for N/A applications 4v>2v

its not that much money, im talking about doing the swap for possibly under a grand. thats less than a full exhaust on a 4.6 and will give you a lot more power. do you have any experience with this swap? or are you reading numbers and spouting your opinion? of course the 4v 5.4 would be a lot nicer to have but it also costs a lot more money and the swap is a lot more involved.

Saleen S330 · 03-06-2006, 05:52 AM

I agree 100% with floppy, it's not expensive, not hard to do and the benefits are awesome!!!

chip6990 · 03-06-2006, 12:36 PM

right now i am talking w/Terry Johnson of Street Lethal Perf. in Pa. talking over my options, but it will be nothing special....

just a forged 5.4 block, might use my 4.6 heads cause they have been shaved .03 w/comp cams non-pi stage 2 cams (xe268 i think) adapter plates to use my bullitt intake, mac l/t headers, dr. gas x-pipe, flowmasters 2 chamber 40 series, mcloed 800 series clutch, procharger @ 12#'s maybe a boost-pipe for another pound or 2, and if that aint enough, i will spray a 50 shot into it....

looking for 500-550hp w/o N2O....anything more will be just "EXTRA"

he said he has built a mach 1 w/a/ similar set up STOCK 5.4 using a lightning lower intake and a 98 cobra upper intake (fabbed custom midplate) w/a P1SC and raced a mitsu eclipse that ran 11.40's and walked away from him...

the added tourqe produced by the 5.4 is enough to build up the centrifigul blower til it takes over....he said it should keep up with 03-04 cobras w/whipples and KB's that make 550-600hp no problem...

hope to start on the motor soon after my car gets repainted, hope to be done by middle of the summer....

:banana:

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02-17-2006, 10:31 AM	#33 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Yea, I never realized how easy this is and really want to do it as well. I know the 5.4L lightning has +.020 FORGED Ford pistons, steel crank, and just says lightning rods (I don't know anymore about them either). If you swapped to a 5.4L, would you see an increase of power to the rear wheels OR torque to the rear wheels? I have all the other bold on's so it would really be a fully bolt on 5.4L. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

02-17-2006, 10:32 AM	#34 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	O and also the lightning block I can get for under 2K, plus 300 for the adapter plates from Reichard Racing, not to bad I think. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

02-23-2006, 07:04 AM	#38 (permalink)
bshiek Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 99	r3dn3ck, what long tubes are you thinking of getting? Custom? I am doubting any 4.6 long tubes would fit, but I'd love for you to change my mind! __________________ 02 GT 5 spd

02-23-2006, 07:33 AM	#39 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Existing longtubes wouldn't fit with a 5.4 swap? __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

02-17-2006, 09:54 AM	#31 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,513	The lightning short block is capable of holding good power in the 400rw+ range. I don't know what type of rod is in the L motor so I can't give any good advice. Typically you'll pay a major premium for a L motor over a NA 5.4 from a work truck or van or SUV. The 5.4 Intake is coming. I've got a commitment from at least 1 company since I've shown them 20 specific guys that are doing the swap right now and all want an aftermarket intake that looks stock and performs for this application with a good wide power band. You have to be patient. I've been beating on several companies for over a year to get this into production. They have to understand that the only thing stopping the wide spread ditching of 4.6's is the intake issue. To get them to understand takes time. In any case, Saleen S330, I like what I saw at reckless but I'm holding out for one that's a good deal shorter. I want the aftermarket to make it cast so it'll drive the cost down sub 1000 bucks so people will do it and drive the cost down more. Kinda like 5.0 parts, everyone has them so they're cheap as hell. Update is: We've been moving forward. I'll call around today and see if there's any real milestones have been met.

02-17-2006, 10:12 AM	#32 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,513	another update. You can all look at www.hiperformancesolutions.com for the best designed intake I've seen for our applications. HUGE plenum, medium runner length, removable bottom cover, extrude honeable, port-able. Best part is the runner towers can be adorned with a fogger nozzle and appropriate bracketry and you'll have a killer totally hidden nitrous system. If you're running boost, you can shoot a charge of water&methanol into the lower plenum and cool the boost when you crank it up for drag day. The guy in charge of the design and production of intakes for the 4.6 and 5.4 is heading up to Chi-Town shortly to go over some tooling details for the 4.6 unit. That means the 4.6 intake is nearing readiness to go full production. As soon as that's in production, the lights are green to stretch it for the 5.4 which will take a good bit less time since the design is effectively the same with some tweaks to keep the power up at the higher end. I'll be putting the 4.6 intake on my 4.6 and then on my 5.4 with plates, then I'll get a 5.4 intake and sell one of you hippies my 4.6 intake on the cheap. Please visit the link above. More hits shows more interest. More interest justifies more resources devoted to our project.

02-21-2006, 11:26 AM	#35 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	Can't wait for the 5.4 intake!! In one of the late 2004 5.0 mags, they did the swap into a 2000 GT with auto. it gained around 25 HP but 90 Ftlbs of torque to the wells after they tuned it, with out tuned, i think it gained around 13 hp and 30 FTlbs of torque. I would def. get the tune. I'm still waiting on getting a tune, plus adding some pics and a sound clip. I'll have to get the mag again to updated the actual gains

02-22-2006, 01:04 PM	#37 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,513	think of what you're saying there. My 03GT puts down in relatively stock trim 244/281 add 25 and 90 and you get 269/370. That's with 1st gen garage built plates and a gt intake. That's impressive... supercharger torque with NA fuel drinking. Killer. Start adding other bits like cams and intakes and things go nuts fast. Think about 325/380 from a NA motor. I've got a set of heads being hogged out as I type. After that a set of custom cams has already been chosen. Hopefully I'll see bumps on both hp&tq. I'm fighting the urge to slap a set of longtubes on it but I don't think it's working. So, who's next to sign up. There'll be a pimpin intake in about a year so now's the time to go get yourself a 2V 5.4 and start building it. Imagine the possibilities.

02-23-2006, 08:03 AM	#40 (permalink)
Mikeaveli Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oxnard, CA Posts: 80	So you can reuse your computer too? No need to tune for a 2v swap.

02-23-2006, 08:16 AM	#41 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	With some of the mods to the passenger side exhuast that i had to do, i wouldn't think so, but that was with the exhaust not header. But i know the 96-04 stock headers will fit the 5.4. i put some barely used 03 GT headers on mine.

02-23-2006, 08:22 AM	#42 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	oh yeah, and like i said, that was gains with an auto, they said if it was a five speed, the rear wheel TQ would be 300+ from 2000 RPM to 5000 RPM instead of 2500 RPM to 4000 RPM with the auto. That type of TQ from a N/A motor, sweet! The car also had a K&N drop in filter and flowmasters. They later added alot of bolt ons, so i'll have to find that mag also.

02-23-2006, 08:39 AM	#43 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	You can reuse your computer but a tune should be a must with all the extra cubes your computer will be dealing with.

02-23-2006, 10:18 AM	#44 (permalink)
ModMotorRacer Modular Misfit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 329	what did you do with the brake booster? You have manual brakes and steering now? __________________ www.modularmisfits.com 98GT NA Auto...12.61@109 NMRA Mod Muscle #10

02-23-2006, 10:47 AM	#45 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	I reused all the stock componets, even brake booster. Everything bolted up, even my stock saleen pulleys to the steering pump and oil cooler.

03-05-2006, 05:47 PM	#46 (permalink)
chip6990 Mustang Junkie!!!!!!! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greeneville, TN Posts: 190	5.4 in mustang i am planning on doing this my self

03-05-2006, 06:08 PM	#47 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,513	sorry I've been lagging on the updates. I've managed to get a windage tray, a set of TRW forged pistons, another 5.4L (this one from a 2000 Expedition with nice low miles) complete motor, a HD oil pump and my set of Reichard Racing adapter plates. Rods are next and I found a seller on ebay that puts nice forged H beams up for 319, so I'll pick up a set of those soon. I'm working an angle on a particularly special intake too. Hopefully all will be built and installed by summer. Chip, welcome. How long till you see yourself making it happen? any other details? cmon man you're holding us in suspense.

03-05-2006, 07:20 PM	#48 (permalink)
Badfish Listen to reggae. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 8,704	IMO a 2v 5.4 swap is a waste of money...sure theres a bennefit but not ebough to justify that much money for N/A applications 4v>2v __________________ '04 2.3l Evo '86 GSXR 750

03-06-2006, 04:36 AM	#49 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	Badfist, i'm glad your rich...oh, i have a Saleen with a 5.4, jealous people suck.

03-06-2006, 05:52 AM	#51 (permalink)
Saleen S330 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 900	I agree 100% with floppy, it's not expensive, not hard to do and the benefits are awesome!!!

03-06-2006, 12:36 PM	#52 (permalink)
chip6990 Mustang Junkie!!!!!!! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greeneville, TN Posts: 190	5.4 2v right now i am talking w/Terry Johnson of Street Lethal Perf. in Pa. talking over my options, but it will be nothing special.... just a forged 5.4 block, might use my 4.6 heads cause they have been shaved .03 w/comp cams non-pi stage 2 cams (xe268 i think) adapter plates to use my bullitt intake, mac l/t headers, dr. gas x-pipe, flowmasters 2 chamber 40 series, mcloed 800 series clutch, procharger @ 12#'s maybe a boost-pipe for another pound or 2, and if that aint enough, i will spray a 50 shot into it.... looking for 500-550hp w/o N2O....anything more will be just "EXTRA" he said he has built a mach 1 w/a/ similar set up STOCK 5.4 using a lightning lower intake and a 98 cobra upper intake (fabbed custom midplate) w/a P1SC and raced a mitsu eclipse that ran 11.40's and walked away from him... the added tourqe produced by the 5.4 is enough to build up the centrifigul blower til it takes over....he said it should keep up with 03-04 cobras w/whipples and KB's that make 550-600hp no problem... hope to start on the motor soon after my car gets repainted, hope to be done by middle of the summer.... :banana: