Anyone intrested in 5.4L swaps, in here. Need you to opine. - Page 143

bassman97 · 05-19-2008, 11:06 AM

No Romeo engine ever had 8-bolt cranks and from 01-up, the Mustangs had Romeo engines.

SleepingGT · 05-19-2008, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96blackgt54

As far as my knowledge goes

Correct me If I'm wrong and detailed please, but was Ford going through the change of 6 to 8 bolt crankshafts in the middle of the year of '99 for Mustangs. I beleive you could get a 6 bolt crank with a '99 and a '00, though it was hit and miss and no car part # idetification could tell you if your crank is 6 or 8 bolt. Now after '00 ALL Mustangs came with 8 bolt cranks. I'm for sure that ALL modulars came with 8 bolts in '01-up. Please correct me someone! And in detials.

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Originally Posted by bassman97

No Romeo engine ever had 8-bolt cranks and from 01-up, the Mustangs had Romeo engines.

what i'm telling you is fact, not what i "think"

1999 and 2000 mustangs had Windsor 4.6 engines which had 8 bolt cranks(i know i have a 2000 with an 8 bolt crank)

2000-2001 some had windsors and some had romeo's depends on the build date

romeo=6 bolt
windsor= 8 bolt

r3dn3ck · 05-19-2008, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepingGT

what i'm telling you is fact, not what i "think"

1999 and 2000 mustangs had Windsor 4.6 engines which had 8 bolt cranks(i know i have a 2000 with an 8 bolt crank)

2000-2001 some had windsors and some had romeo's depends on the build date

romeo=6 bolt
windsor= 8 bolt

man speaks the truth from everything I've ever seen that is generally the case.

96blackgt54 · 05-21-2008, 06:16 AM

Thankyou!

myillwillinc · 05-21-2008, 12:46 PM

spoke to r3d last nite, he is busy pulling 15hr workdays on his new job and is still working on the long tube deal just to let everyone know....

cdjnight · 05-21-2008, 06:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7rA3O6V-s8
8psi Road test, I cranked it up today to 12psi, Hoooolllllllyyyyyy crap hang on to you shorts it was wicked!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JauqJnOVmI

This one is day time engine compartment

myillwillinc · 05-21-2008, 09:47 PM

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

congrats on all the hard work man...

SleepingGT · 05-22-2008, 05:16 AM

just bought these off corral
http://www.totalengineairflow.com/pr...ad/ford46pi2v/

stage II's

96blackgt54 · 05-22-2008, 05:23 AM

Those heads should wake the SleepingGT up!!!!

cdjnight!
You're crazy!

SleepingGT · 05-22-2008, 05:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjqZC-gBvM

skip to 1:35

00 gt with 5.4 4v and a hellion 70 mm, walks an 05 TT GTO like it is sitting still

SleepingGT · 05-22-2008, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96blackgt54

Those heads should wake the SleepingGT up!!!!

cdjnight!
You're crazy!

i figure these heads with blower cams from Tim(modularpowerhouse) and an intercooled S-trim should do well on a 9.2:1 5.4

r3d can you plug this in your sim? i'm guessing about 500 rwhp on 8 psi

JScottGT · 05-22-2008, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdjnight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7rA3O6V-s8
8psi Road test, I cranked it up today to 12psi, Hoooolllllllyyyyyy crap hang on to you shorts it was wicked!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JauqJnOVmI

This one is day time engine compartment

Nice! But no seatbelt?? j/k

cdjnight · 05-22-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JScottGT

Nice! But no seatbelt?? j/k

LOL, i noticed that too, "But officer without my kids in the car I dont have anyone to remind me? j/k Hope you all like it, I freaking love it, the turbo is such a great compliment to the torque of the 5.4, it haZes M/T tires from idle at a dead stop punch and the just goes into absolute tire melt down when the boost comes on. If all goes well and no rain it will be on the 1/8th mile track friday night.

JScottGT · 05-22-2008, 03:27 PM

Awesome! Make sure to post up some time slips or videos. I bet that is a beast out there. My car gets it's first on track run next Friday, but on the road course. I will see how much better it comes off the corners with that added torque, can't wait!

A97PIblackGT · 05-22-2008, 07:24 PM

Hey I have a 97 GT with a 03 GT engine in it. I did a full exhaust,intake,SCT tune,BBK255lph and a few other odds and ends. I am now planing on doing the 5.4 swap in my car. I read about 50 pages out of the 143 and I start to get a little confused.I knwo that the 2v is a direct drop in with the k member and wiring harness. When I do it it I would assume that it would be best for me to get a PI engine. I was planning on gettng some nice stage two cams when I do it too. Then all I would really need is the intake adapter.Would I be better using after market intake manifold or the stoc PI?I also read that my t-45(which is built) would also bolt right up? What kind of number could I expect to see with a nice dyno tune with a 2v 5.4 with cams and full exhaust..I have L/T's. I appriciate all of the information that you guys could give me.

Also on a side note I can get a lighting engine at really good deal. I know that I would have to get a cowl hood for it to fit, But is that swap similar to the 5.4?Thanks guys.....John

cdjnight · 05-22-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

congrats on all the hard work man...

Thanks man I gotta say your car and R3d's where the major factor in deciding to do this, I allready had the turbo so it was just a matter of putting it all together. I ran a 300 hp NA Cobra from a 55mph roll, it wasnt even close in a matter of a few seconds i was ahead by 10 car links, gotta love that turbo on the top end!

Morgan The Black · 05-24-2008, 02:31 AM

Well I'm pretty much good to go for an intake.. just got my cams and cam gears and my heads should be done getting ported anyday.

str3ck · 05-24-2008, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A97PIblackGT

I knwo that the 2v is a direct drop in with the k member and wiring harness.

nope. you don't need a k-member or a wiring harness. the k-member is optional for weight saving and making more options for exhaust. also there is no wiring harness you need at all. the only wiring difference is that you might have to extend a few wires. and not everyone even needs to do that.

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Originally Posted by A97PIblackGT

Then all I would really need is the intake adapter.

nope. 8-bolt fly wheel and some factory exhaust manifolds.

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Originally Posted by A97PIblackGT

..I have L/T's.

nope. won't fit without some MAJOR modifications. the steering linkage is right in the way. r3d is currently working on getting someone who might make some l/t headers for this swap, but 4.6 headers will not just bolt right in.

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Originally Posted by A97PIblackGT

Also on a side note I can get a lighting engine at really good deal. I know that I would have to get a cowl hood for it to fit,

nope. you'll need more than that. you'll need a 4 inch cowl hood then you'll need to cut a big friggin' hole in that hood. there are a few people out there that have done this swap already.

i understand that 140+ pages is alot to read. but if you are thinking about a major mod such as this, i would recommend doing ALL the research you could and read all of this thread. after reading everything you will see that this mod is actually very simple and the gains that can be had are well worth it if done right.

SleepingGT · 05-24-2008, 06:45 PM

what are you guys using for a fuel system? i'm thinking getting an 03 cobra hat assembly with twin focus pumps and just dropping it in my GT tank? seems like it would be a lot easier and less expensive than doing a full return style set up like tommy or buying an 03 cobra tank?

Morgan The Black · 05-24-2008, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Also on a side note I can get a lighting engine at really good deal. I know that I would have to get a cowl hood for it to fit, But is that swap similar to the 5.4?Thanks guys.....John

You can get the lightning engine (5.4) and just pull the intake and blower off and sell them. Its got forged pistons but the rods still suck.

skylark · 05-25-2008, 03:52 PM

Well pulling a Teksid motor that supposedly runs for $1t60. is not likely going to happen so opining I am back to considering a 5.4. I have a '99 Stang automatic with 4.10's, 3400rpm DD converter, UDP's, PYPES catted X-pipe(might sell this and go back to stock), SVO intake port matched to PI heads with the complete install kit. I added the coolant mod and drilled what appeared to be bosses meant for COP's, tapped them and have the COP's on the intake. DIY RAI/CAI and it is not imprressive.
So if I go 5.4 I would want an '97-/'01 or was that '99-'01? What compression does a flattop piston and my PI heads give? Anyone? I need to do something with this o sell the darn thing. Need to get it right the first time. I would like a pic of my engine posted here but use webtv and am computer iliterate. Could someone let me email you a pic to post here? If I go 5.4 I was considering sellin g the SVO, going to the stock PI intake, 70mm TB/plenum and changing the 4.10's for the 3.27's and building it for TORQUE. TMKD sells a piston and forged I-beam rod for $666.66. Pretty cheap for foeged components but weight is a concern as reving this motor past 5000rpm seems like asking a lot even though red says he shifts his at 6500rpm!
Guys I need some help. Should I just get a short block from karkraft, $995. with flattops and use the rest from my 4.6? What all would I need? Front cover. My 4.6 PI heads will fit onto the 5.4 or doeos the 5.4 have larger intake ports in it's head for 2v's? Actually I would need the 5.4 heads or not? Brain drain going on here. Thought I saw a pic that showed the 5.4 2V woth larger ports, is that npossible or was i looking at a 5.4 4V pic?
What this thread needs is a sticky of the combo's that are possible or actually have to do's. Man I could have sold that Teksid and gotten enough to but a 5.4 from karkraft though I have not given up. I did takie the driveshaft from the lincoln but it would need to be shortened and rebalanced but at $16. and change I didn't think I could go wrong with the yokes attached also! Could have an aluminum shaft for under $100. Part of me wants to buoild a 5.4 that would put out a fair amount of power, at least 325 whp as Hitech gets 300+whp on stock head, intake 4.6's with their stage 2 cams. Heck the 5.4 should get 35whp without too much as that Hitech 300+ is with a tune for 87 octane and 23* total timing. More compression and premium 93 octane and proper tune should get a 5.4 into the 325whp alone.
I just don't want to build a 5.4 and find it doesn't for some odd reason. Mod 4.6 oil pan baffles and use 4.6 exhaust manifolds with adapter plates from Pro Products($200.) with good gaskets and silicone and that is it?
Nail down the year 5.4 I should look for to do a rebuild on if I chose to go that route otherwise I would need that karkraft to be from what years? TMD has some light parts and droppingb 2 lbs from the rotating assembly should be cool and help getn that motor revving a lot quicker hey? THX, more questions to come, mark

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05-21-2008, 12:46 PM	#4265 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 651	spoke to r3d last nite, he is busy pulling 15hr workdays on his new job and is still working on the long tube deal just to let everyone know.... __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

05-21-2008, 06:48 PM	#4266 (permalink)
cdjnight Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 117	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7rA3O6V-s8 8psi Road test, I cranked it up today to 12psi, Hoooolllllllyyyyyy crap hang on to you shorts it was wicked! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JauqJnOVmI This one is day time engine compartment __________________ Momentum is everything till you drive off a cliff! 2003 Mustang GT, 5.4L Triton V8(LOL), Comp 270's gears and springs, Intercooled Precision T63, 42lb injectors, Flowmaster 3.5" Single Chamber, B&M Holeshot 3000, Racegate, Sniper Commando Tuning, Kenne Bell BAP,BG Mighty Sumo pump, MSD MOD6, LM1 wideband, Best e.t, 7.67@92mph in the 1/8th. on MT drag radials. No dyno tune yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJ2yQH1Ezs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1hiMJy3ezk Last edited by cdjnight : 05-21-2008 at 07:26 PM.

05-21-2008, 09:47 PM	#4267 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 651	AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! congrats on all the hard work man... __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

05-22-2008, 03:27 PM	#4274 (permalink)
JScottGT Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Farmington Hills, MI Posts: 60	Awesome! Make sure to post up some time slips or videos. I bet that is a beast out there. My car gets it's first on track run next Friday, but on the road course. I will see how much better it comes off the corners with that added torque, can't wait! __________________ 2000 Mustang GT (aka "The Frankenstang") - 5.4L Power - Comp XE270AH-13 Cams - 261rwhp/330rwtq - 2001 Cobra IRS - 3.55:1 - 2000 Cobra R Rear Springs & Dampers - 2001 Bullitt Front Springs & Dampers - 2001 Bullitt Front Brakes www.jscottgt.com

05-19-2008, 11:06 AM	#4261 (permalink)
bassman97 blank Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 1,485	No Romeo engine ever had 8-bolt cranks and from 01-up, the Mustangs had Romeo engines.

05-21-2008, 06:16 AM	#4264 (permalink)
96blackgt54 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lawrenceburg,KY Posts: 154	Thankyou!

05-22-2008, 05:16 AM	#4268 (permalink)
SleepingGT Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 146	just bought these off corral http://www.totalengineairflow.com/pr...ad/ford46pi2v/ stage II's

05-22-2008, 05:23 AM	#4269 (permalink)
96blackgt54 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lawrenceburg,KY Posts: 154	Those heads should wake the SleepingGT up!!!! cdjnight! You're crazy!

05-22-2008, 05:51 AM	#4270 (permalink)
SleepingGT Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 146	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjqZC-gBvM skip to 1:35 00 gt with 5.4 4v and a hellion 70 mm, walks an 05 TT GTO like it is sitting still

05-22-2008, 07:24 PM	#4275 (permalink)
A97PIblackGT Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2	Hey I have a 97 GT with a 03 GT engine in it. I did a full exhaust,intake,SCT tune,BBK255lph and a few other odds and ends. I am now planing on doing the 5.4 swap in my car. I read about 50 pages out of the 143 and I start to get a little confused.I knwo that the 2v is a direct drop in with the k member and wiring harness. When I do it it I would assume that it would be best for me to get a PI engine. I was planning on gettng some nice stage two cams when I do it too. Then all I would really need is the intake adapter.Would I be better using after market intake manifold or the stoc PI?I also read that my t-45(which is built) would also bolt right up? What kind of number could I expect to see with a nice dyno tune with a 2v 5.4 with cams and full exhaust..I have L/T's. I appriciate all of the information that you guys could give me. Also on a side note I can get a lighting engine at really good deal. I know that I would have to get a cowl hood for it to fit, But is that swap similar to the 5.4?Thanks guys.....John

05-24-2008, 02:31 AM	#4277 (permalink)
Morgan The Black Creature Of The Wheel Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mebane, NC Posts: 97	Well I'm pretty much good to go for an intake.. just got my cams and cam gears and my heads should be done getting ported anyday. __________________ Mechanism, I restore thy spirit. Let the God-Machine breathe half-life unto thy veins and render thee functional.

05-24-2008, 06:45 PM	#4279 (permalink)
SleepingGT Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 146	what are you guys using for a fuel system? i'm thinking getting an 03 cobra hat assembly with twin focus pumps and just dropping it in my GT tank? seems like it would be a lot easier and less expensive than doing a full return style set up like tommy or buying an 03 cobra tank?

05-25-2008, 03:52 PM	#4281 (permalink)
skylark Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 118	Well pulling a Teksid motor that supposedly runs for $1t60. is not likely going to happen so opining I am back to considering a 5.4. I have a '99 Stang automatic with 4.10's, 3400rpm DD converter, UDP's, PYPES catted X-pipe(might sell this and go back to stock), SVO intake port matched to PI heads with the complete install kit. I added the coolant mod and drilled what appeared to be bosses meant for COP's, tapped them and have the COP's on the intake. DIY RAI/CAI and it is not imprressive. So if I go 5.4 I would want an '97-/'01 or was that '99-'01? What compression does a flattop piston and my PI heads give? Anyone? I need to do something with this o sell the darn thing. Need to get it right the first time. I would like a pic of my engine posted here but use webtv and am computer iliterate. Could someone let me email you a pic to post here? If I go 5.4 I was considering sellin g the SVO, going to the stock PI intake, 70mm TB/plenum and changing the 4.10's for the 3.27's and building it for TORQUE. TMKD sells a piston and forged I-beam rod for $666.66. Pretty cheap for foeged components but weight is a concern as reving this motor past 5000rpm seems like asking a lot even though red says he shifts his at 6500rpm! Guys I need some help. Should I just get a short block from karkraft, $995. with flattops and use the rest from my 4.6? What all would I need? Front cover. My 4.6 PI heads will fit onto the 5.4 or doeos the 5.4 have larger intake ports in it's head for 2v's? Actually I would need the 5.4 heads or not? Brain drain going on here. Thought I saw a pic that showed the 5.4 2V woth larger ports, is that npossible or was i looking at a 5.4 4V pic? What this thread needs is a sticky of the combo's that are possible or actually have to do's. Man I could have sold that Teksid and gotten enough to but a 5.4 from karkraft though I have not given up. I did takie the driveshaft from the lincoln but it would need to be shortened and rebalanced but at $16. and change I didn't think I could go wrong with the yokes attached also! Could have an aluminum shaft for under $100. Part of me wants to buoild a 5.4 that would put out a fair amount of power, at least 325 whp as Hitech gets 300+whp on stock head, intake 4.6's with their stage 2 cams. Heck the 5.4 should get 35whp without too much as that Hitech 300+ is with a tune for 87 octane and 23* total timing. More compression and premium 93 octane and proper tune should get a 5.4 into the 325whp alone. I just don't want to build a 5.4 and find it doesn't for some odd reason. Mod 4.6 oil pan baffles and use 4.6 exhaust manifolds with adapter plates from Pro Products($200.) with good gaskets and silicone and that is it? Nail down the year 5.4 I should look for to do a rebuild on if I chose to go that route otherwise I would need that karkraft to be from what years? TMD has some light parts and droppingb 2 lbs from the rotating assembly should be cool and help getn that motor revving a lot quicker hey? THX, more questions to come, mark