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r3dn3ck · 03-21-2008, 11:27 AM

1" wouldn't be too big a deal but you'd have to mill reliefs or small windows in it in places. Depends on the machining equipment you have access to. I call it a fairly easy mod.

If 96black wants to do the R&D for us I'm pretty certain that I can get HPS to make the production parts. Hell... if we just get a pattern to HPS they'll be able to cut us up a production run. That's their core competency anyway. Then we can take up the incredible offer that 96black made, and not burden him with a bunch of freebie cut-jobs and HPS gets a sort of back handed thanks from the marketplace for the 5.4 intake with a 5.4 specific blower bracket. You'll be able to get your whole kit from them.

Cardude and 96black54 let's do this thing.

2V4NOW · 03-21-2008, 12:52 PM

which to use???

Full Subframes on:

myillwillinc · 03-21-2008, 01:25 PM

i had to put the motor and trans in together, i just couldn't get the trans in by myself. so i id them together.

question: should i go with 36lbs. injectors or 39 lbs from a 03 cobra? i scored some with harness adapters. which one would work better on NA? new or old style.....

cardude · 03-21-2008, 02:16 PM

yep yep im up for it. 96black54 just give the word.

cdjnight · 03-21-2008, 04:27 PM

Its getting there

sidekicksurfer · 03-21-2008, 08:04 PM

Hey guys. I have'nt been in this forum for a while. I was just wundering if the intake for the 5.4 has came out yet or not? Also if I'm not mistaken I heard somthing about headers too??? I dont feel like reading a crap load to find out so I figured somone could just let me know. Thanks guys.

singlesupra · 03-21-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sidekicksurfer

Hey guys. I have'nt been in this forum for a while. I was just wundering if the intake for the 5.4 has came out yet or not? Also if I'm not mistaken I heard somthing about headers too??? I dont feel like reading a crap load to find out so I figured somone could just let me know. Thanks guys.

I think the intake is due anyday, the headers r3d is working with a diff company(or single guy??) to develop a set. I think thats th elast I heard anyway

r3dn3ck · 03-22-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

question: should i go with 36lbs. injectors or 39 lbs from a 03 cobra? i scored some with harness adapters. which one would work better on NA? new or old style.....

36lbs are plenty. 39's aren't a bad option but they're just kinda big. If your first dyno run shows enough power you can swap them.

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Originally Posted by 2V4NOW

which to use???

Nuff said...

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Originally Posted by sidekicksurfer

Hey guys. I have'nt been in this forum for a while. I was just wundering if the intake for the 5.4 has came out yet or not? Also if I'm not mistaken I heard somthing about headers too??? I dont feel like reading a crap load to find out so I figured somone could just let me know. Thanks guys.

Single nailed it... Intake is due out any day now. HPS is burning the midnight oil to get them all done and ready to ship.

Headers are being worked on. I've got 1 company started, and 2 others queued up. In the meantime I'm suggesting that people use the BBK's.

96blackgt54 · 03-22-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cardude

yep yep im up for it. 96black54 just give the word.

WORD!

96blackgt54 · 03-22-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 2V4NOW

DANG! Put it in! Even with the hood on!

Is that hood gonna shut with the blower on! My stock one did......after I slammed it 20 times!

J/J

JScottGT · 03-22-2008, 08:30 PM

As promised... yesterday and today have been productive...
I got all the parts I needed to start the rebuild...

JScottGT · 03-22-2008, 08:32 PM

And today the 4.6 came out...

Tomorrow will bring the swap over of heads and cams...

cardude · 03-22-2008, 10:36 PM

k just give me a few days to seperate the blower from the bracket. im busy right now with the whole easter/family thing goin on but when its ready to go ill get with ya and find out where to send it to.

r3dn3ck · 03-23-2008, 08:31 AM

looking great. Keep that progress comin.

cdjnight · 03-23-2008, 06:32 PM

Did any of you guys degree in your cams? I just did with Comp 270 cams and stock gears my cams where way off, RH was 12 degrees advanced and LH was 4 degrees retarded. Ordered a set of adjustable gears today, hopefully they will be here this week so I can drop this pig in.

JScottGT · 03-23-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cdjnight

Did any of you guys degree in your cams? I just did with Comp 270 cams and stock gears my cams where way off, RH was 12 degrees advanced and LH was 4 degrees retarded. Ordered a set of adjustable gears today, hopefully they will be here this week so I can drop this pig in.

Wow, that is really surprising... I heard they could be off +/- 3 but not as far as 12... Once you get those in straight-up should make a real difference. Makes me think the cams Ive been running in the 4.6 could have been off by that much. I will definately be degreeing them in once I get them on the 5.4
You can always grind the stock gears to allow for some adjustment. That is why you need to torque them to like 90 ft-lbs, so there is no slip.

What did you use for the degreeing? did you have a solid lifter to use? What did you use for the TDC stop?

cdjnight · 03-23-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JScottGT

Wow, that is really surprising... I heard they could be off +/- 3 but not as far as 12... Once you get those in straight-up should make a real difference. Makes me think the cams Ive been running in the 4.6 could have been off by that much. I will definately be degreeing them in once I get them on the 5.4
You can always grind the stock gears to allow for some adjustment. That is why you need to torque them to like 90 ft-lbs, so there is no slip.

What did you use for the degreeing? did you have a solid lifter to use? What did you use for the TDC stop?

The cam that was off by 12 I moved one tooth and got it to withen 6 the oppisite direction.
I used a jegs degree kit and then I bought a flexable arm on a pair of vise grips from Harbor Freight, I used a solid lifter from MMR(i think thats where I got it) and used extension on dial indicator through the spark plug hole to find tdc. The piston stop that came with the kit had jacked up threads so I was affraid to put it in my heads. Also FYI, i used the handle of rubber coated cresent wrench and a drum brake adjustment tool to get followers in and out with out taking cam out or buying a special tool. it was pretty easy once i did a couple times, i got the feel for it.

r3dn3ck · 03-24-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cdjnight

Did any of you guys degree in your cams? I just did with Comp 270 cams and stock gears my cams where way off, RH was 12 degrees advanced and LH was 4 degrees retarded. Ordered a set of adjustable gears today, hopefully they will be here this week so I can drop this pig in.

MMR degreed mine. You can retard those 270's couple degrees for a higher peak tq rpm. Only costs a tiny bit of low end but it makes 20hp peak difference from installing straight up on the dyno sim to 2 deg retarded. Advancing it 2 degrees builds the low end a LOT.

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Originally Posted by JScottGT

Wow, that is really surprising... I heard they could be off +/- 3 but not as far as 12... Once you get those in straight-up should make a real difference. Makes me think the cams Ive been running in the 4.6 could have been off by that much. I will definately be degreeing them in once I get them on the 5.4
You can always grind the stock gears to allow for some adjustment. That is why you need to torque them to like 90 ft-lbs, so there is no slip.

What did you use for the degreeing? did you have a solid lifter to use? What did you use for the TDC stop?

MM&FF found a cobra that was 12 deg off side to side. It would appear that precision ground cam gears ain't Ford's thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdjnight

The cam that was off by 12 I moved one tooth and got it to withen 6 the oppisite direction.
I used a jegs degree kit and then I bought a flexable arm on a pair of vise grips from Harbor Freight, I used a solid lifter from MMR(i think thats where I got it) and used extension on dial indicator through the spark plug hole to find tdc. The piston stop that came with the kit had jacked up threads so I was affraid to put it in my heads. Also FYI, i used the handle of rubber coated cresent wrench and a drum brake adjustment tool to get followers in and out with out taking cam out or buying a special tool. it was pretty easy once i did a couple times, i got the feel for it.

Great tech tip!

r3dn3ck · 03-24-2008, 12:06 PM

Hey guys... update on the intakes. It's totally not a date but it's a hint.

I've been chatting with Bob for the last few days on some final machining details and I've had the opportunity to see cad drawings that are very near the final version. I'll can only really say that the feature list is pimpin. It looks like things are a tad slower than hoped but all is well and things appear to be rolling toward a release very soon.

Nightwing · 03-24-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

Hey guys... update on the intakes. It's totally not a date but it's a hint.

I've been chatting with Bob for the last few days on some final machining details and I've had the opportunity to see cad drawings that are very near the final version. I'll can only really say that the feature list is pimpin. It looks like things are a tad slower than hoped but all is well and things appear to be rolling toward a release very soon.

cant wait ...

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03-21-2008, 11:27 AM	#3871 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 7,014	1" wouldn't be too big a deal but you'd have to mill reliefs or small windows in it in places. Depends on the machining equipment you have access to. I call it a fairly easy mod. If 96black wants to do the R&D for us I'm pretty certain that I can get HPS to make the production parts. Hell... if we just get a pattern to HPS they'll be able to cut us up a production run. That's their core competency anyway. Then we can take up the incredible offer that 96black made, and not burden him with a bunch of freebie cut-jobs and HPS gets a sort of back handed thanks from the marketplace for the 5.4 intake with a 5.4 specific blower bracket. You'll be able to get your whole kit from them. Cardude and 96black54 let's do this thing. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page

03-21-2008, 12:52 PM	#3872 (permalink)
2V4NOW Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 23	Motor back in... which to use??? Full Subframes on: __________________

03-21-2008, 01:25 PM	#3873 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 653	i had to put the motor and trans in together, i just couldn't get the trans in by myself. so i id them together. question: should i go with 36lbs. injectors or 39 lbs from a 03 cobra? i scored some with harness adapters. which one would work better on NA? new or old style..... __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

03-22-2008, 08:30 PM	#3881 (permalink)
JScottGT Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Farmington Hills, MI Posts: 62	As promised... yesterday and today have been productive... I got all the parts I needed to start the rebuild... __________________ 2000 Mustang GT (aka "The Frankenstang") - 5.4L Power - Comp XE270AH-13 Cams - 261rwhp/330rwtq - 2001 Cobra IRS - 3.55:1 - 2000 Cobra R Rear Springs & Dampers - 2001 Bullitt Front Springs & Dampers - 2001 Bullitt Front Brakes www.jscottgt.com

03-21-2008, 02:16 PM	#3874 (permalink)
cardude Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 30	yep yep im up for it. 96black54 just give the word.

03-21-2008, 08:04 PM	#3876 (permalink)
sidekicksurfer Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 47	Hey guys. I have'nt been in this forum for a while. I was just wundering if the intake for the 5.4 has came out yet or not? Also if I'm not mistaken I heard somthing about headers too??? I dont feel like reading a crap load to find out so I figured somone could just let me know. Thanks guys.

03-22-2008, 08:32 PM	#3882 (permalink)
JScottGT Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Farmington Hills, MI Posts: 62	And today the 4.6 came out... Tomorrow will bring the swap over of heads and cams... __________________ 2000 Mustang GT (aka "The Frankenstang") - 5.4L Power - Comp XE270AH-13 Cams - 261rwhp/330rwtq - 2001 Cobra IRS - 3.55:1 - 2000 Cobra R Rear Springs & Dampers - 2001 Bullitt Front Springs & Dampers - 2001 Bullitt Front Brakes www.jscottgt.com

03-22-2008, 10:36 PM	#3883 (permalink)
cardude Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 30	k just give me a few days to seperate the blower from the bracket. im busy right now with the whole easter/family thing goin on but when its ready to go ill get with ya and find out where to send it to.

03-23-2008, 08:31 AM	#3884 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 7,014	looking great. Keep that progress comin. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page

03-23-2008, 06:32 PM	#3885 (permalink)
cdjnight Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 117	Did any of you guys degree in your cams? I just did with Comp 270 cams and stock gears my cams where way off, RH was 12 degrees advanced and LH was 4 degrees retarded. Ordered a set of adjustable gears today, hopefully they will be here this week so I can drop this pig in. __________________ Momentum is everything till you drive off a cliff! 2003 Mustang GT, 5.4L Triton V8(LOL), Comp 270's gears and springs, Intercooled Precision T63, 42lb injectors, Flowmaster 3.5" Single Chamber, B&M Holeshot 3000, Racegate, Sniper Commando Tuning, Kenne Bell BAP,BG Mighty Sumo pump, MSD MOD6, LM1 wideband, Best e.t, 7.67@92mph in the 1/8th. on MT drag radials. No dyno tune yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJ2yQH1Ezs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1hiMJy3ezk

03-24-2008, 12:06 PM	#3889 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 7,014	Hey guys... update on the intakes. It's totally not a date but it's a hint. I've been chatting with Bob for the last few days on some final machining details and I've had the opportunity to see cad drawings that are very near the final version. I'll can only really say that the feature list is pimpin. It looks like things are a tad slower than hoped but all is well and things appear to be rolling toward a release very soon. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page