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Steeda21 · 02-25-2008, 10:11 PM

i hope this isnt not a dumb question to you veterans in this thread!
Since the parts for the 5.4 are pretty much all the same has anyone thought about a v10, 6.8L lol? would it even fit? And would the parts be the same as the 5.4, prolly not right?

Riggs · 02-25-2008, 10:27 PM

Ford V10 DOHC Mule (5.8 and not 6.8 but still sweet). Fits nicely in there from what they show you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

bassman97 · 02-26-2008, 05:58 AM

If a 460 can fit, the 6.8 should fit too. If the 351 V10 Ford messed w/ fit, the 6.8 is the same length as it so no problems there. The problem w/ the V10 comes w/ performance parts since unlike the 5.4, it doesn't really share any compatibility of parts such as intakes, cams, or headers (although the internals minus the crank is the same as a 5.4). Plus, you only have the option of 2V or 3V heads only. So, to make it work, you need at least a custom intake and to make more power, you'll need true custom cams, custom headers, etc. In the end, it's more worth it to throw a 460 in if the 5.4 isn't big enough for you.

myillwillinc · 02-26-2008, 07:09 AM

does anyone remember the vert with the v10 and a powerglide 2sp? there was a pic and small paragraph in the mag about a year or so ago. if anyone remembers that they mentioned that they had to 'massage' the firewall a bit to make it work. but still cool as hell....

*r3dn3ck* · 02-26-2008, 08:41 AM

the v10 uses a balance shaft to control vibrations. Those aren't really great for performance applications. The one SVT built was based on a 4.6 block they added 2 cyls to. The 6.8L standard v10 is a 5.4 with 2 more holes.

BTW... found great deal on Navi heads on the corral: http://corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=989681

And a rebuildable longblock: http://corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=997422

mustangjoe413 · 02-26-2008, 10:03 AM

The shortblock and heads have 200k on them. Mainly highway miles.
It had an external and internal leak in the #1 cylinder. Ran fine and clean inside. I was going to have the heads checked and replace the head gaskets, instead I put a used engine in the truck. The heads are off the block but are still assembled. The shortblock is also still assembled.
I Also have a truck intake and throttlebody...and a few misc. parts.

Any interest? Im in west springfield,MA ...you pick up. I WILL NOT SHIP $400. for all or?

R3dn3ck told me to post this here....Im new to this forum, so hi to everybody and thanks r3dn3ck!

*r3dn3ck* · 02-26-2008, 10:15 AM

guys... that's the guy from one of the links I just posted. It's a good deal on a buildable engine.

Steeda21 · 02-26-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassman97

If a 460 can fit, the 6.8 should fit too. If the 351 V10 Ford messed w/ fit, the 6.8 is the same length as it so no problems there. The problem w/ the V10 comes w/ performance parts since unlike the 5.4, it doesn't really share any compatibility of parts such as intakes, cams, or headers (although the internals minus the crank is the same as a 5.4). Plus, you only have the option of 2V or 3V heads only. So, to make it work, you need at least a custom intake and to make more power, you'll need true custom cams, custom headers, etc. In the end, it's more worth it to throw a 460 in if the 5.4 isn't big enough for you.

the 5.4 is quite big enough for me lol

96blackgt54 · 02-28-2008, 05:36 AM

The 5.4l has enough torque. I could imagine having the torque from a 6.8l V10.
Somewhere along the lines ford started putting S/C (much like the Lightnings) in the V10 bus. They added the S/C for the E85 power downfall. I've been keeping my eyes open, but have yet seen them offered in junk or as parts.

*r3dn3ck* · 02-28-2008, 09:28 AM

Look what I found:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pts/589685514.html

I can pick that up for you and ship it.

myillwillinc · 02-28-2008, 11:34 AM

if it was upgradable i'd be all over it instead of the hps intake. but i want alot more then 5.5 psi. i'm thinking that jet sc will be happy with 15psi.....

96blackgt54 · 02-29-2008, 06:30 AM

Is Allen a MagnaCharger design or a Rotor?

Either way, I'm sure you can upgrade them to a point. Maybe I can do some digging and figure what size case it is. I would hate to see such a good deal slip by!
Not to mention, a good solid intake for a 5.4l.

TurboX2 · 02-29-2008, 06:39 AM

I might jump on that for my truck if I hadn't rebuilt it at 9.8:1...

r3dn3ck, whats the date on the intake now? I've got one of the adapters for the trucks whittled out, just need some hand finishing at it'll be ready. Need something to bolt it to....

*r3dn3ck* · 02-29-2008, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96blackgt54

Is Allen a MagnaCharger design or a Rotor?

Either way, I'm sure you can upgrade them to a point. Maybe I can do some digging and figure what size case it is. I would hate to see such a good deal slip by!
Not to mention, a good solid intake for a 5.4l.

I'm pretty sure that's an M112 Eaton under the plenum. It's a good solid roots blower. You could use a larger crank pulley (ala' Lightning +4# lower) and bump that up respectably. Hood clearance would still be an issue on mustangs as it's a pretty tall setup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboX2

I might jump on that for my truck if I hadn't rebuilt it at 9.8:1...

r3dn3ck, whats the date on the intake now? I've got one of the adapters for the trucks whittled out, just need some hand finishing at it'll be ready. Need something to bolt it to....

You could easily dump 6-8lbs in there and not even have trouble tuning. 9.8 is exactly where the 03-04 GT's 4.6 sits and we love to dump 8-10lbs in those. 8.5:1 is great if you want to run higher boost but that's probably not what you'd want of it anyway... that sort of thing drinks gas.

I'm gunna fire off an email to Bob here shortly and see what he's got for an update. Last I knew it was set to be either side of a week or so from now. If I know Bob you'll probably be getting a test unit to fit the adapter on. I'll let Bob know there's one ready to try. He'll grin at that.

96blackgt54 · 02-29-2008, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

I'm pretty sure that's an M112 Eaton under the plenum. It's a good solid roots blower. You could use a larger crank pulley (ala' Lightning +4# lower) and bump that up respectably. Hood clearance would still be an issue on mustangs as it's a pretty tall setup.

By the looks, it does appear to be an eaton. If it is a M112(1.8l positive displacement) that would mean you could turn up up! Just like the Lightning guys. A 9" drive pulley with the stock (I believe) 2.8" S/C pulley would put it around 5.8l positive displacement!!!!
I think 16,000 rpm's is the efficiency of those.

Perhaps a man desided to nab that great deal and use it untill he was ready to upgrade. Who says(if it is an eaton) you can't bolt on a KenneBell or Whipple. Spacer plates for the heads may be needed to clear the valley, but still a great idea!

Such a good deal! $1200!!!

96blackgt54 · 02-29-2008, 08:16 AM

NOPE! won't work!

I just blew the picture up off their website. It's not an Eaton, it looks like a MagnaCharger.

My previous idea would not work anyways, it is a rear entry setup on the case. Unlike the Lightnings top entry, the Allens enter from the back.

STILL!! A good deal!

TurboX2 · 02-29-2008, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

You could easily dump 6-8lbs in there and not even have trouble tuning.

9.8:1 + centri = fun

9.8:1 + p.d. blower + any marginal tank of gas = boom

I've got a 4R70W anyway, really don't want to get into upgraded trannies, I'll just stick to n/a....

shakin_bakin · 02-29-2008, 12:02 PM

if my cylinder is bored .020 over... what should my head gaskets be????
ive been looking but cant seem to find the right ones...

shakin_bakin · 02-29-2008, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96blackgt54

NOPE! won't work!

I just blew the picture up off their website. It's not an Eaton, it looks like a MagnaCharger.

My previous idea would not work anyways, it is a rear entry setup on the case. Unlike the Lightnings top entry, the Allens enter from the back.

STILL!! A good deal!

hmm with the entry from the back... that wont fit on the mustang will it???
and you can get another pulley for it couldnt you?

bassman97 · 02-29-2008, 12:25 PM

Magnacharger uses Eaton blowers.

TurboX2 · 02-29-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakin_bakin

if my cylinder is bored .020 over... what should my head gaskets be????
ive been looking but cant seem to find the right ones...

You don't need anything special, gaskets are bigger than the bore anyway.

shakin_bakin · 02-29-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboX2

You don't need anything special, gaskets are bigger than the bore anyway.

awesome thanks... just wanted to make sure...
i saw so many different sizes... was like hmm... lol
thanks

shakin_bakin · 02-29-2008, 03:16 PM

my update....
waiting on block pistons, rings, rods, and crank to get here...
just ordered... DSS main support, Bearings, oil pump, timing components, followers, lifters, .... and all gaskets... (i think) ..... all thats left is cams and intake...

bassman97 · 02-29-2008, 08:38 PM

I'd return the main girdle since those aren't needed for our engines since the cross bolted mains are solid, unless you are making insane power in which case, you wouldn't be driving it on the street. The main girdles for the Mod engines are really just carry-overs from the old Windsor engines in which those blocks needed it due to the weaker 2-bolt mains.

tooslow · 02-29-2008, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassman97

Magnacharger uses Eaton blowers.

they use Eaton rotors, but cast their own housings.

shakin_bakin · 03-01-2008, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassman97

I'd return the main girdle since those aren't needed for our engines since the cross bolted mains are solid, unless you are making insane power in which case, you wouldn't be driving it on the street. The main girdles for the Mod engines are really just carry-overs from the old Windsor engines in which those blocks needed it due to the weaker 2-bolt mains.

It is extra security for me, and its also a windage tray... I am going to eithe Supercharge the shit out of it.. or Twin Turbo it.. so i wan the re assurance i wont have the problem... you know??
but thats good info i didnt know

thanks

ShaggyGT · 03-01-2008, 08:17 AM

Ok so I think I'm kind of back tracking through this thread, but searching 3000+ posts is somewhat difficult. I see that you guys have moved towards 5.4 2v + power adder talk, but has anyone started a 5.4 2v n/a build? I don't mean just a swap, but an actual build up. I don't know much about the 5.4 (I'm on page 13 of this thread, slowly making my way through), but I've heard that it's already got so much stroke that adding any more would generate just ridiculous piston speeds, yet I haven't seen much about overboing. Are there any numbers out there of a built, streetable n/a 5.4 2v? I've been throwing the idea of a KB around for a few years now, but have always liked the idea of n/a power (makes me feel like I would have more of a muscle car than any other ride with a power adder). My goal was around 450-500 at the wheels, but it seems like anything under 6 liters would have a very difficult time doing this.

myillwillinc · 03-01-2008, 09:44 AM

mine is NA right now and i've bored it .020" . if i get it done in the next wee or two 'll have some dyno numbers.

cdjnight · 03-01-2008, 06:55 PM

anyone know the wieght difference for the 5.4 vs 4.6, I bought a QA1 k-member, GMS tubular control arms and coil overs. Looking to see if front end will be lighter than original setup.

bassman97 · 03-01-2008, 07:26 PM

I think w/ a coil-over set-up and k-member it displaces the added weight. However, I'd be careful w/ the GMS pieces since there have been nothing but horror associated w/ that name.