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singlesupra · 12-01-2007, 10:32 PM

Well? Slackass where the numbers?

myillwillinc · 12-01-2007, 11:50 PM

maybe he made so much power he went back in time...

lol...

r3dn3ck · 12-02-2007, 07:41 AM

yesterday was a long day.

Anyway, the numbers I made on the dynojet were exactly the same as on the Mustang Dyno. 280/333 was peak on a hot lapped run. I did figure out that:

1. I'm out of injector and possibly fuel pump (time to install the Focus pump). Even if I could show higher numbers... I'm out of gas at the top end. It started leaning out pretty bad at 5800-6100rpm.

2. My intake is corked pretty bad. The adapter plates are a neato solution and they're great for about 280hp but you can see it lean over in the midrange where the intake flow just can't keep up. I did some math on it and it looks like the intake is only flowing 440 CFM through the adapter plates. The new intake should easily flow enough for mid 300's.

cdjnight · 12-02-2007, 09:14 AM

that sounds like a Maf problem not fuel pump, what size injectors are you using?

r3dn3ck · 12-02-2007, 09:59 AM

I'm pretty sure the MAF is fine.. it's reading right and supporting the flow, not pegging, not reading random values anywhere. The 21# injectors are at max duty cycle as it sits though and I saw fuel pressure dropping from 5800 on up to 6100. only dropped like 4-5psi but that's enough to tell me it can't keep up.

Gotta get some replacement pintle caps for my 32# injectors (couple are broken) and install the Focus pump and I'll go for another run. Not bothering with the Mustang dyno anymore though. It costs twice as much to run on it and I get exactly the same results.

TurboX2 · 12-02-2007, 12:11 PM

Something is definately holding you back, mine made ~265/330 with unported heads and a PI intake through an auto trans. The plates are definately one reason, they are to make things simple, not for ultimate flow. I also noticed when looking at pics on your homepage that when you ported the 4.6 Hardball'r you put a 'knife-edge' on the runner entries, they would flow better with a radiused entry. Its hard to pull air from the sides over what becomes more of a wall....I can't say how much effect but definately not ideal for flow... Keep bugging Bob for that 5.4 intake.....

r3dn3ck · 12-02-2007, 12:31 PM

w00t. I'll try and post up the latest graphs tomorrow. I did hear from bob. He's been pretty busy but it looks like everything is happening on schedule. He seems stressed out right now. I think if my plates were thicker it'd change the angle less and possibly help output but I'm pretty sure they're a general restriction and need to be removed 300rwhp or better on a 2v to come out the back.

You shoulda seen the faces on the import guys at the shop when they saw the tq curve. no words of how strong their cars are... just wows at how much grunt there actually is to be had NA. They did talk about how unsatisfying it is to have 500hp civics that you can never drive cuz they're in the shop all the time. that was interesting to me.

cdjnight · 12-02-2007, 12:56 PM

I used a single Ford GT pump and it worked very well past 400HP, just had to do a few minor mods to make it fit in Mustang canister, but never had any problem with it at all, and I used it with a dry 100 shot and then later with the turbo setup on my 4.6L and 42lb injectors.

cdjnight · 12-02-2007, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

I'm pretty sure the MAF is fine.. it's reading right and supporting the flow, not pegging, not reading random values anywhere. The 21# injectors are at max duty cycle as it sits though and I saw fuel pressure dropping from 5800 on up to 6100. only dropped like 4-5psi but that's enough to tell me it can't keep up.

Gotta get some replacement pintle caps for my 32# injectors (couple are broken) and install the Focus pump and I'll go for another run. Not bothering with the Mustang dyno anymore though. It costs twice as much to run on it and I get exactly the same results.

The drop in fuel preasure is the result of the higher rpm vacuum that your fuel preasure sensor is seeing. Not sure what programmer you are using but you can change the fuel preasure settings in Sniper software.

myillwillinc · 12-03-2007, 09:33 AM

well, almost finished the headers and all i can say is what a PITA!!!!! it's gonna be hell fun getting the drivers side up in there with the steering linkage. just working with the welding and fabbing has made me understand why shops charge what they do for custom work. next time i hear someone bitch about a quote for custom work to thier car being to exspensive i'm gonna rap one of these headers across thier skull....

hopefully i'll get them done and the rest of the exhaust soon.

TurboX2 · 12-03-2007, 09:38 AM

Thats one project I had no desire to take on, good for you....

Other note... Anybody using the SCT Pro Racer Package? Looking for feedback as I'm thinking of upgrading my XCal II....

singlesupra · 12-03-2007, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myillwillinc

well, almost finished the headers and all i can say is what a PITA!!!!! it's gonna be hell fun getting the drivers side up in there with the steering linkage. just working with the welding and fabbing has made me understand why shops charge what they do for custom work. next time i hear someone bitch about a quote for custom work to thier car being to exspensive i'm gonna rap one of these headers across thier skull....

hopefully i'll get them done and the rest of the exhaust soon.

I made most of the parts on my supra and other cars of mine , I feel you dude. While the intercooler piping and intake was kinda fun to make, the header and 4" exhaust was a royal pita. Fuel system was cake, as was most of the rest. After you do it a few times you will get a lot more proficient. I can make a custom cold side turbo kit in about 2 hours start to finish(thats including the time it takes to guestimate what materials I will need). Biggest time constraint is having to work around not having the correct tools.
Stick with it bud, sounds like your doing great!

singlesupra · 12-03-2007, 09:52 AM

Little update on my car

Its now in the air with the trans pulled. Im going to pull or start pulling the engine tonight awaiting the navi engine to take its place. Going to pull the heads, throw a quick port on them and install the cobra cams. Going to pull the pan and a main and rod bearing to check for wear. Goodluck to the others and there projects, keep us updated!

chip6990 · 12-03-2007, 10:16 AM

justa lil 5.4 Turbo teaser for you.....

no its not mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8nhQZKsFU0

cdjnight · 12-03-2007, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chip6990

justa lil 5.4 Turbo teaser for you.....

no its not mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8nhQZKsFU0

Thanks CHip now I'm really bummed my heads aren't done yet!

r3dn3ck · 12-03-2007, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboX2

Thats one project I had no desire to take on, good for you....

Other note... Anybody using the SCT Pro Racer Package? Looking for feedback as I'm thinking of upgrading my XCal II....

I use it. It's exactly the same as the full blown tuner setup with the advantage software, live link&load and the uploader/chipburner software.

I'd definitely use the Xcal-2 PRP. The chip burner is a bitch sometimes. It takes me all of about 10 seconds to get a tune on my Xcal2 and it holds 3 tunes + your stock tune.

chip6990 · 12-04-2007, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdjnight

Thanks CHip now I'm really bummed my heads aren't done yet!

your welcome...i try

i am workin on the details of the car

r3dn3ck · 12-04-2007, 09:17 AM

gotta love that ... 5.4 2v's holding their own with modded termy's. That takes grunt.

myillwillinc · 12-04-2007, 09:53 AM

oh yeah....

tooslow · 12-04-2007, 04:33 PM

congrats redneck. can't wait to see it finalized.

that turbo 5.4l never impressed me for some reason. idk the specs on the car, but he sure does lose a lot of races.

2Eighty1 · 12-06-2007, 04:28 PM

Still got my 5.4 stuff for sale - I might try to ebay it soon...

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12-01-2007, 11:50 PM	#3122 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 650	maybe he made so much power he went back in time... lol... __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

12-02-2007, 07:41 AM	#3123 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,998	yesterday was a long day. Anyway, the numbers I made on the dynojet were exactly the same as on the Mustang Dyno. 280/333 was peak on a hot lapped run. I did figure out that: 1. I'm out of injector and possibly fuel pump (time to install the Focus pump). Even if I could show higher numbers... I'm out of gas at the top end. It started leaning out pretty bad at 5800-6100rpm. 2. My intake is corked pretty bad. The adapter plates are a neato solution and they're great for about 280hp but you can see it lean over in the midrange where the intake flow just can't keep up. I did some math on it and it looks like the intake is only flowing 440 CFM through the adapter plates. The new intake should easily flow enough for mid 300's. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page

12-02-2007, 09:14 AM	#3124 (permalink)
cdjnight Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 117	that sounds like a Maf problem not fuel pump, what size injectors are you using? __________________ Momentum is everything till you drive off a cliff! 2003 Mustang GT, 5.4L Triton V8(LOL), Comp 270's gears and springs, Intercooled Precision T63, 42lb injectors, Flowmaster 3.5" Single Chamber, B&M Holeshot 3000, Racegate, Sniper Commando Tuning, Kenne Bell BAP,BG Mighty Sumo pump, MSD MOD6, LM1 wideband, Best e.t, 7.67@92mph in the 1/8th. on MT drag radials. No dyno tune yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJ2yQH1Ezs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1hiMJy3ezk

12-02-2007, 09:59 AM	#3125 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,998	I'm pretty sure the MAF is fine.. it's reading right and supporting the flow, not pegging, not reading random values anywhere. The 21# injectors are at max duty cycle as it sits though and I saw fuel pressure dropping from 5800 on up to 6100. only dropped like 4-5psi but that's enough to tell me it can't keep up. Gotta get some replacement pintle caps for my 32# injectors (couple are broken) and install the Focus pump and I'll go for another run. Not bothering with the Mustang dyno anymore though. It costs twice as much to run on it and I get exactly the same results. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page

12-01-2007, 10:32 PM	#3121 (permalink)
singlesupra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 249	Well? Slackass where the numbers?

12-02-2007, 12:11 PM	#3126 (permalink)
TurboX2 friend of the machines Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Oronoco, MN Posts: 34	Something is definately holding you back, mine made ~265/330 with unported heads and a PI intake through an auto trans. The plates are definately one reason, they are to make things simple, not for ultimate flow. I also noticed when looking at pics on your homepage that when you ported the 4.6 Hardball'r you put a 'knife-edge' on the runner entries, they would flow better with a radiused entry. Its hard to pull air from the sides over what becomes more of a wall....I can't say how much effect but definately not ideal for flow... Keep bugging Bob for that 5.4 intake..... Last edited by TurboX2 : 12-02-2007 at 12:19 PM.

12-02-2007, 12:31 PM	#3127 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,998	w00t. I'll try and post up the latest graphs tomorrow. I did hear from bob. He's been pretty busy but it looks like everything is happening on schedule. He seems stressed out right now. I think if my plates were thicker it'd change the angle less and possibly help output but I'm pretty sure they're a general restriction and need to be removed 300rwhp or better on a 2v to come out the back. You shoulda seen the faces on the import guys at the shop when they saw the tq curve. no words of how strong their cars are... just wows at how much grunt there actually is to be had NA. They did talk about how unsatisfying it is to have 500hp civics that you can never drive cuz they're in the shop all the time. that was interesting to me. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page

12-02-2007, 12:56 PM	#3128 (permalink)
cdjnight Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 117	I used a single Ford GT pump and it worked very well past 400HP, just had to do a few minor mods to make it fit in Mustang canister, but never had any problem with it at all, and I used it with a dry 100 shot and then later with the turbo setup on my 4.6L and 42lb injectors. __________________ Momentum is everything till you drive off a cliff! 2003 Mustang GT, 5.4L Triton V8(LOL), Comp 270's gears and springs, Intercooled Precision T63, 42lb injectors, Flowmaster 3.5" Single Chamber, B&M Holeshot 3000, Racegate, Sniper Commando Tuning, Kenne Bell BAP,BG Mighty Sumo pump, MSD MOD6, LM1 wideband, Best e.t, 7.67@92mph in the 1/8th. on MT drag radials. No dyno tune yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJ2yQH1Ezs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1hiMJy3ezk

12-03-2007, 09:33 AM	#3130 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 650	well, almost finished the headers and all i can say is what a PITA!!!!! it's gonna be hell fun getting the drivers side up in there with the steering linkage. just working with the welding and fabbing has made me understand why shops charge what they do for custom work. next time i hear someone bitch about a quote for custom work to thier car being to exspensive i'm gonna rap one of these headers across thier skull.... hopefully i'll get them done and the rest of the exhaust soon. __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

12-03-2007, 09:38 AM	#3131 (permalink)
TurboX2 friend of the machines Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Oronoco, MN Posts: 34	Thats one project I had no desire to take on, good for you.... Other note... Anybody using the SCT Pro Racer Package? Looking for feedback as I'm thinking of upgrading my XCal II....

12-03-2007, 09:52 AM	#3133 (permalink)
singlesupra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 249	Little update on my car Its now in the air with the trans pulled. Im going to pull or start pulling the engine tonight awaiting the navi engine to take its place. Going to pull the heads, throw a quick port on them and install the cobra cams. Going to pull the pan and a main and rod bearing to check for wear. Goodluck to the others and there projects, keep us updated!

12-03-2007, 10:16 AM	#3134 (permalink)
chip6990 Mustang Junkie!!!!!!! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greeneville, TN Posts: 195	justa lil 5.4 Turbo teaser for you..... no its not mine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8nhQZKsFU0 __________________ *12#'s + 125 shot of*

12-04-2007, 09:17 AM	#3138 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,998	gotta love that ... 5.4 2v's holding their own with modded termy's. That takes grunt. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page

12-04-2007, 09:53 AM	#3139 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 650	oh yeah.... __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

12-04-2007, 04:33 PM	#3140 (permalink)
tooslow Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 170	congrats redneck. can't wait to see it finalized. that turbo 5.4l never impressed me for some reason. idk the specs on the car, but he sure does lose a lot of races. __________________ ______ 98 GT

12-06-2007, 04:28 PM	#3141 (permalink)
2Eighty1 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 361	Still got my 5.4 stuff for sale - I might try to ebay it soon... __________________ 5.4L 3v '04 GT Buildup In Progress... For Photos visit: http://www.whitemustangregistry.com/...AGT-t1625.html

12-07-2007, 11:27 AM	#3142 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member